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Re: What they don't tell you
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2019, 04:04:07 PM »
All the cons of using out weigh the pros to me. I’m natural but I’m very comfortable with the way I look, I’m open to TRT when I’m older though.

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Re: What they don't tell you
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2019, 04:14:33 PM »
What’s the point?

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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2019, 04:20:14 PM »
This entire post should be hanging on the wall inside every LA Fitness men's locker room.

I have a close, personal friend who's been running gear for the last 32 years.  He's 52yo.  Even though his BP is always normal, and his blood work comes back looking fairly good, I'm really afraid he's not going to live past his 80's if he continues this self-destructive path.  I'm going to to show this to him, and see if I can get him to come off before it's too late.

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« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2019, 04:30:16 PM »
Based on reading their posts I’m assuming the OP and Coach are probably about the same age.

Who would you rather look like?

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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2019, 04:41:08 PM »
OK,I`m gonna catch  lot of flack for this,butI`ve had very little in the way of repucussusions regarding my gear use.

Never used exhorbatant amounts except for brief periods during contest prep.

Then Again I trained natty for years and ate an impeccable diet for he most part very consistantly for very long periods of time.

In other words,I wasn`t a relyer on the juice and came off quite regularly.

I feel great at 64 and have a few health problems not due to usage I might add.

Haven`t been able to train for some time now due to these complications,but still look decent and if I decided to make a competitive comeback at 64 I swear I would kick ass........I look way better than most guys in general and most guys competing over 60 just suck compared to me.........I sill look younger than my years.

Thinking of training light and to see if I can still make progress.........if so,who knows I may don the thong again and trust me,I won`t embarrass myself in the least.

Not advocating it at all as I feel it is a personal choice but my liver is fine with no visible lesions or scarring...liver enzymes are perfect,and I`m a recovered alcoholic and  rec drug user to boot.

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« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2019, 04:45:28 PM »
OK,I`m gonna catch  lot of flack for this,butI`ve had very little in the way of repucussusions regarding my gear use.

Never used exhorbatant amounts except for brief periods during contest prep.

Then Again I trained natty for years and ate an impeccable diet for he most part v ry consistantly for very long peiodsof time.

In other words,I wasn`t a relyer ointhejuice and came offquite regularly.

I feel great at 64 and have a few health problems not dueto usage I might add.

Haven`t been able to train for some time now due to these complications,but still look decent and if I decided to make a competitive comeback at 64 I swear I would kick ass........I look way better than most guys in general and most guys competing over 60 just suck compared to me.........I sill look younger than my years.

Not advocating it at all as I feel it is a personal choice but my liver is fine with no visible lesions or scarring...liverenzymes are pefect,and I`m a reoveed alcoholicand rec druguser.

Good to hear.

Hope your other issues clear up.

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« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2019, 04:48:56 PM »
Thanks my friend !  :)

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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2019, 04:49:44 PM »
OK,I`m gonna catch  lot of flack for this,butI`ve had very little in the way of repucussusions regarding my gear use.

Never used exhorbatant amounts except for brief periods during contest prep.

Then Again I trained natty for years and ate an impeccable diet for he most part very consistantly for very long periods of time.

In other words,I wasn`t a relyer on the juice and came off quite regularly.

I feel great at 640 and have a few health problems not due to usage I might add.

Haven`t been able to train for some time now due to these complications,but still look decent and if I decided to make a competitive comeback at 64 I swear I would kick ass........I look way better than most guys in general and most guys competing over 60 just suck compared to me.........I sill look younger than my years.

Thinking of training light and to see if I can still make progress.........if so,who knows I may don the thong again and trust me,I won`t embarrass myself in the least.

Not advocating it at all as I feel it is a personal choice but my liver is fine with no visible lesions or scarring...liver enzymes are perfect,and I`m a recovered alcoholic and  rec drug user to boot.

Fuck bro, that’s old.

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« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2019, 08:31:49 PM »
Fuck bro, that’s old.
Hopfully you`ll get there brother!

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« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2019, 09:29:21 PM »
Wes - how dare you talk about sensible drug usage. Everyone knows that if you use AAS you are a no good junkie like ( you know who-🤪)
I totally agree with you. The use of aas should be a choice. I’ve had zero negative health impact but like you stated I have not really been excessive. There were a few times 20-25 years ago where I increased a little but still was doing a tiny amount compared to number I hear thrown around.

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Re: What they don't tell you legit steroids
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2019, 12:33:13 AM »
Wes you were a lucky guy back then with having access to Brontosaurus meat and Pterodactyl eggs

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Re: What they don't tell you legit steroids
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2019, 01:46:59 AM »
 Getting back to prostate enlargement prior to the making of the first anabolic steroid dianabol the Russian Olympic lifters were injecting straight testosterone in doses so high some had to use catheters to pee.   Dianabol was created to get the anabolic effects of testosterone while minimizing the androgen effects.

Hmmm.

 "In 1954, Ziegler went with his York buddies to the World Weightlifting Championships in Vienna, Austria, as the team’s doctor. Ziegler watched as the Soviets hoisted ungodly amounts of steel. Like any red-blooded American, he was leery of the Russians, whose physiques he found suspiciously hairy and outsized. “Some of the competitors, even young ones in their 20s, needed to be catheterized in order to urinate,” he later told the Los Angeles Times. "

https://slate.com/culture/2005/02/the-doctor-who-brought-steroids-to-america.html


That story about the Soviets having to catheterize their athletes comes from a Los Angeles Times interview from February 1984 ,almost thirty years after the events. That was at the time when the Eastern Bloc was boycotting the LA Olympics and the use of sports in the service of Cold War propaganda was in full swing.



Still, prostate enlargement and having to catheterize oneself  to pee must be pretty commonly observed  phenomenon among bodybuilders and powerlifters.  Is it?



It certainly does seem to indicate very heavy abuse of testosterone -and corresponding increases in muscularity,strength and power-among the Soviet athletes in 1954 .

 Given what we now know natural weightlifters(for example, the American weightlifting team lead by Bob Hoffman of York Barbell fame) would be at a profound disadvantage competing against these lifters.


Yet,if we look at the results of the 1954 World Weightlifting Championship ,we see the US weightlifters almost neck and neck with the Soviets(3 Gold medals to 4) .We see American Olympic Gold medalists, like Pete George and Tommy Komo, beating the Soviets into silver place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_World_Weightlifting_Championships



Seems ,we may conclude American weightlifters back then were that good that they could-completely natural- outlift heavily juiced up Soviets in the three Olympic lifts: the Olympic press, clean and jerk and snatch.  :o



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« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2019, 03:24:42 AM »
When you take steroids to bodybuild  you realize quickly how effective they are. They can transform a physique really quickly.  Those that dispute this are buying crap on the black market from the trunk of a pusher's car. Legit steroids work amazing.  I defy any gym rat that never used to try one real Anadrol 50 a day and not see a drastic difference in four weeks. Making a point. No I'm not advocating taking drugs.

Having said this we have to talk about the mental aspects of using.  When on you feel confident and aggressive. It has an anti depressant effect and your sense of well being will be apparent. Every drug has both a positive and a negative. The negative is that when you go off you will start to feel meek, nervous and maybe even depressed. Guys know this is coming and try to counter it with low dose steroids. Some even use stuff like clomid and HCG.  The negative problems are further compounded by your own testosterone being shut down. The flood of exogenous hormones causes the pituitary to shut down LH hormone. LH hormone is the hormone that signals your balls to make testosterone. Another problem is that your body can increase estrogen though aromatase.

We all know bodybuilding is a sport based on drug use. Users like to rationalize their own use away by saying all sports use. That's not true but it makes their ego feel better.  The health problems alone should make a rational man pause and say, " Is this really worth it? Is the risk to health for temporary muscles a fair trade?"  We all know guys that go from a zero to a hero through the syringe in 5 weeks then in the same year look like crap.  

Three major problems with steroids is the increased risk of cardio vascular disease, prostate enlargement and damage to tendons due to rapidly increased strength.  One study on testosterone hormone replacement found an increase risk of hearth attacks and strokes. Preliminary scientific speculation was that it was changing the viscosity of the blood making it thicker. Steroids can also increase blood pressure. After that study came out I speculate there were studies disputing it no doubt paid for by the testosterone replacement pharmaceutical companies.  Getting back to prostate enlargement prior to the making of the first anabolic steroid dianabol the Russian Olympic lifters were injecting straight testosterone in doses so high some had to use catheters to pee.   Dianabol was created to get the anabolic effects of testosterone while minimizing the androgen effects.

The reason why I am writing this is put some sense into some of you young guys. Spending 2K on drugs to place 3rd in some two bit contest that will give you a piece of crap on your shelf is foolish. Taking steroids, anti estrogen, GH, insulin, speed, HCG, diuretics  and other stuff is insanity to walk around with temporary muscles to scream to the little boy in your brain that, see, I'm a man. Do what you want. I remember in my early 20's going to a doctor for a throat infection and he looked at me and said you have a lot of muscle. Then he said that's more food for the worms when you die. I was really pissed off that this pencil neck doctor who was a runner insulted me. Now with maturity I think I understand what he was trying to say. If health isn't a consideration then the illusion of health with muscles is a lie.

Train naturally. You won't be able to win 9th place in a Mr. Podunk contest but it will be real. You actually can be in shape year round with some peaks here and there. Maybe when you reach 55 you won't be pulling a wrinkled picture out of your wallet of yourself on stage in your hero days showing someone while they look at your pot belly fat body in front of them. Most of the guys I knew that competed in the early 1980's quit training.  One said that training without the assist is a waste of time. That is sad.  Most quit due to health, finances and even arrest.

 


Sad but true.   Lee priest has been on roids for the past 30 years.   Even though he looks bloated and tired.  He rather die than come off and look like a tiny meatball.   

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Re: What they don't tell you legit steroids
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2019, 03:33:44 AM »
I've never seen someone who has never used be so obsessed with aas.

You are definitely one who should stay far away from them.

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« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2019, 03:39:26 AM »
This entire post should be hanging on the wall inside every LA Fitness men's locker room.

I have a close, personal friend who's been running gear for the last 32 years.  He's 52yo.  Even though his BP is always normal, and his blood work comes back looking fairly good, I'm really afraid he's not going to live past his 80's if he continues this self-destructive path.  I'm going to to show this to him, and see if I can get him to come off before it's too late.

LOL! I see what you did there.

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« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2019, 03:43:13 AM »
That’s a moronic statement.
Not really.  There aren't many musclebound scientists, inventors, mathematicians and engineers.

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Re: What they don't tell you legit steroids
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2019, 03:52:34 AM »
Stallone has been on roids and gh for decades. He's 73 years old. The average life span is 72 and a lot of those at that age are in nursing homes. There's no way Stallone would have had the career and success as an action star without PEDs. There is not way he would be doing what he is doing now and having the quality of life he has without the PEDs. Even if he dies tomorrow of a heart attack it still would have been a great trade off.

Like someone said, "There's use and abuse."


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Re: What they don't tell you legit steroids
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2019, 04:02:23 AM »
Stallone has been on roids and gh for decades. He's 73 years old. The average life span is 72 and a lot of those at that age are in nursing homes. There's no way Stallone would have had the career and success as an action star without PEDs. There is not way he would be doing what he is doing now and having the quality of life he has without the PEDs. Even if he dies tomorrow of a heart attack it still would have been a great trade off.

Like someone said, "There's use and abuse."



His dosages have probably been pretty mild

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« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2019, 04:17:06 AM »
If needed, and monitored and healthy, I doubt there are many issues w/ it. The TRT studies that say "bad for heart" are done on older gen-pop, out of shape, unhealthy fat guys.
100-125 mg is more like TRT (rather than 200). Get bloods run, get cardiac calcium scoring done (arterial plaque x-rays), eat right, do your cardio, keep your test in "high normal" range, etc.

I think it was Joe or Shizzo who told me to "keep doing your steroids". Like I'm a druggie doing prescribed TRT. (It's like calling a 1 drink a week person an alcoholic).
I trained for 38 years natty before getting on TRT at age 50, gained zero weight, gained zero strength on it. (TRT). So just do your home-work, if youa re low and feeling like shite, go see a Dr. who's knowledgeable in TRT.

Got my cardiac calcium scan done last week, waiting for results now... I think the misfit Andrew Collura said he just scored in the 600's. (Decades of d-bol use). Not good...

Zero: No plaque. Your risk of heart attack is low.
1 - 10: Small amount of plaque. You have less than a 10 percent chance of having heart disease, and your risk of heart attack is low.
11-100: Some plaque. You have mild heart disease and a moderate chance of heart attack. Your doctor may recommend other treatment in addition to lifestyle changes.
101 - 400: Moderate amount of plaque. You have heart disease and plaque may be blocking an artery. Your chance of having a heart attack is moderate to high. Your health professional may want more tests and may start treatment.
Over 400: Large amount of plaque. You have more than a 90 percent chance that plaque is blocking one of your arteries. Your chance of heart attack is high. Your health professional will want more tests and will start treatment.

Why would anyone take advice from shizzo? That’s beyond laughable haha

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Re: What they don't tell you legit steroids
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2019, 04:37:33 AM »
You have to decide for yourself.

Personally, I don't like to be addicted to anything, physically or mentally.  Steroids are a mental addiction.

Using steroids also requires a lot of screwing around.  Injecting, testicular atrophy, medical testing, etc. 

For a lot of people they are a gateway drug and they also start taking other drugs. They are a time suck. 

You also become self-absorbed and narcissistic, obsessed on your looks.  Such narcissism becomes a negative.  You may become depressed if you stop taking steroids.  Illegally obtained steroids put you in contact with criminals.

Guilt about using steroids and the knowledge that you used drugs to obtain your physique can lower your self-esteem and pride in yourself.

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Re: What they don't tell you legit steroids
« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2019, 04:57:51 AM »
You have to decide for yourself.

Personally, I don't like to be addicted to anything, physically or mentally.  Steroids are a mental addiction.

Using steroids also requires a lot of screwing around.  Injecting, testicular atrophy, medical testing, etc. 

For a lot of people they are a gateway drug and they also start taking other drugs. They are a time suck. 

You also become self-absorbed and narcissistic, obsessed on your looks.  Such narcissism becomes a negative.  You may become depressed if you stop taking steroids.  Illegally obtained steroids put you in contact with criminals.

Guilt about using steroids and the knowledge that you used drugs to obtain your physique can lower your self-esteem and pride in yourself.
And you know it all disappears if you stop using.

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Re: What they don't tell you legit steroids
« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2019, 06:07:55 AM »
And you know it all disappears if you stop using.

I doubt you’ll understand this but your comment is extremely illogical. Using your line of reasoning one could say “why lift weights - the gains go away if you stop”.

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Re: What they don't tell you legit steroids
« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2019, 08:40:09 AM »
Imagine spending your whole life being obsessed with bodybuilding and never once being thought of as a bodybuilder.

It must be tough for these natty fanatics to live with the internal conflict.

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« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2019, 09:45:18 AM »
Imagine spending your whole life being obsessed with bodybuilding and never once being thought of as a bodybuilder.

It must be tough for these natty fanatics to live with the internal conflict.

Why do you care so much what other people think about you?

That's a sign of insecurity.

Most people think muscleheads are stupid. So it's not a plus to be thought of as a bodybuilder.

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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2019, 10:34:17 AM »
Why do you care so much what other people think about you?

That's a sign of insecurity.

Most people think muscleheads are stupid. So it's not a plus to be thought of as a bodybuilder.


an insecure person who lifts weights...never....