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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #2600 on: April 04, 2020, 06:25:10 PM »
It gets more and more absurd by the day. The people who are still buying into this stuff just can’t admit that they got worked and have to come up with ever more ridiculous rationalizations and excuses.

Maybe my math is off here..???

Someone correct me please...


NY has tested 220k people to date

source: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/26/21193848/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths-tests-by-state


5 to 10x that number of people who actually got the virus but never get tested and live

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/health/coronavirus-statistics-undetected.html


Even at 5x220k rounded off to 1 million

1900 of those people die according to NY stats (link above)

(never mind age, BMI and/or preexisting conditions factored in..)


1900/1,000,000 = .001


THATS the LOW number of contracted cases

NOW take the high number of contracted cases

THEN factor in age, BMI and preexisting conditions..


What do you have for a rate of death then?














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« Reply #2601 on: April 04, 2020, 06:29:53 PM »
Maybe my math is off here..???

Someone correct me please...


NY has tested 220k people to date

source: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/26/21193848/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths-tests-by-state


5 to 10x that number of people who actually got the virus but never get tested and live

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/health/coronavirus-statistics-undetected.html


Even at 5x220k rounded off to 1 million

1900 of those people die according to NY stats (link above)

(never mind age, BMI and/or preexisting conditions factored in..)


1900/1,000,000 = .001


THATS the LOW number of contracted cases

NOW take the high number of contracted cases

THEN factor in age, BMI and preexisting conditions..


What do you have for a rate of death then?










At this point, there’s no sense in even knocking your brains out about this. It’s a smokescreen to cover up the real reason as I stated: currency devaluation and an economic reset.

I’ve been noticing that lately more and more people on Trump’’s Twitter are coming around to my line of thinking. They know somethings up they just can’t figure it out.

Even Trump himself hasn’t been looking too good lately on his press conferences  I think it’s getting to him as he knows it’s a work.

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« Reply #2602 on: April 04, 2020, 06:31:40 PM »
I’m saying it’s idiotic to view the percentages as a whole without digging a little deeper and seeing the majority of the cases are in a very small group.

What you point out it's nothing new and you're missing the reason why the lock downs have been implemented.

Seriously believe what you wanna believe. I think I’ve shot my wad on this subject. If you don’t wanna agree I frankly don’t give a fuck.

You sound butthurt.

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« Reply #2603 on: April 04, 2020, 06:45:42 PM »
Maybe my math is off here..???

Someone correct me please...


NY has tested 220k people to date

source: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/26/21193848/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths-tests-by-state


5 to 10x that number of people who actually got the virus but never get tested and live

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/health/coronavirus-statistics-undetected.html


Even at 5x220k rounded off to 1 million

1900 of those people die according to NY stats (link above)

(never mind age, BMI and/or preexisting conditions factored in..)


1900/1,000,000 = .001


THATS the LOW number of contracted cases

NOW take the high number of contracted cases

THEN factor in age, BMI and preexisting conditions..


What do you have for a rate of death then?










There are a few issues with your calculation.

You're using the number of tests, not the number of positive tests.

There're roughly 110k confirmed cases in NY, with 3500 deaths.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52168682

If the total number of cases is 5 times the number of confirmed cases, the death rate is 1 in 157.

3500/550000 * 100 = 0.64%

If the total number of cases is 10 times the number of confirmed cases, the death rate is 1 in 315.

3500/1100000 * 100 = 0.32%

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« Reply #2604 on: April 04, 2020, 06:58:34 PM »
What would be the percentage if you removed people with pre-existing conditions?


You reference pre-existing conditions as to disregard, but they are a reality.  You can’t just ignore them when analyzing the covid stats. Lol.  Get the fcuk out of here.  What’s next, disregarding a previous high blood pressure diagnosis when crunching heart attack stats.  Lol.  I’ve reread a few of your commentst, and I still have no idea what you’re talking about.  Any point or argument you’re trying to communicate is lost on me.  Get yourself together man, you’re all over the place

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« Reply #2605 on: April 04, 2020, 07:05:34 PM »
I think the BIGGEST thing everyone is missing is that the death rate from COVID is closer to .00005 Percent as literally NOBODY is getting tested.

There must be millions upon millions of cases of COVID going untested, they recover and nobody is the wiser.

If you have symptoms but are in the 80% that never go to the hospital you will most likely never get tested.

Most of the people getting tested are those admitted to hospitals.

Call your local doctor (who is most likely closed) and try to get a test.. go ahead.. I'll wait.

You can't.

I think your assumption of .0005 percent might be off slightly.  If the death rate were truly .00005 percent, and the entire world became infected (7.6 billion), that would give a total of 3800 deaths.  I'm pretty sure there have been a few more deaths than 3800.   :-\

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« Reply #2606 on: April 04, 2020, 07:07:42 PM »

Blue Label Johnnie Walker is the best medicine for flu ..........

 :) Exactly! That's all we need to do.  Johnny Walker Blue Label and Anavar for everybody.
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« Reply #2607 on: April 04, 2020, 07:16:16 PM »

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« Reply #2608 on: April 04, 2020, 07:46:37 PM »

There is a Treatment- Yet it’s not being Headlined by MSM
Ramp up Production of the Medications & Get it Out there Asap

Open everything back up -
While working on an effective Vaccine

The treatment may indeed work, but they aren't certain of that yet.

What if they let everyone get infected and then gave everyone treatment and it does work, or worse ends up increasing the number of dead because of side effects. Drugs aren't perfect, in some cases they cause worse issues than they treat. The need time to make sure it's effective and safe.

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« Reply #2609 on: April 04, 2020, 07:55:18 PM »
Brit Hume Clip of Dr. Fauci in January Is a ‘Must Watch’ for Every American Accusing Trump of Failing to Act Early.

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/04/04/brit-hume-clip-of-dr.-fauci-in-january-is-a-must-watch-for-every-american-accusing-trump-of-failing-to-act-early

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Fox News‘ Brit Hume has posted a clip of Dr. Fauci speaking to News Max reporter Greg Kelly on January 21. Kelly addresses Fauci, “Bottom line. We don’t have to worry about this one, right?”

Fauci replies, “Well, obviously you need to take it seriously. And do the kinds of things that the CDC and the Department of Homeland Security are doing, but this is not a major threat for the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”

That’s what Trump was hearing from Dr. Fauci, an expert, a man who has served as the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984.

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I yield to no one in admiration of Dr. Fauci. But this comment from January 21 should be kept in mind by those accusing anyone in the U.S. of failing to act in time against Covid 19. Watch it all the way through: pic.twitter.com/wCBHT1wfdr

— Brit Hume (@brithume) April 3, 2020

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« Reply #2610 on: April 04, 2020, 07:57:07 PM »
Brit Hume Clip of Dr. Fauci in January Is a ‘Must Watch’ for Every American Accusing Trump of Failing to Act Early.

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I remember that. Where's the clip?

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« Reply #2611 on: April 04, 2020, 07:59:52 PM »
Fixed.

Story and video at that link.

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« Reply #2612 on: April 04, 2020, 08:03:18 PM »
The treatment may indeed work, but they aren't certain of that yet.

What if they let everyone get infected and then gave everyone treatment and it does work, or worse ends up increasing the number of dead because of side effects. Drugs aren't perfect, in some cases they cause worse issues than they treat. The need time to make sure it's effective and safe.

The drugs are long established drugs already tried & tested.
It does work from all the reports from different countries - Dr Stephen Smith was on US TV
News just a couple of days ago saying it was a Game changer.

Research it on the Internet.

Why oh Why is everyone so scared of Dying as that’s the worst outcome
Like it or not We’re All Going To Die some sooner than others
Simple unavoidable Fact. Try Disputing that one 🙄

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« Reply #2613 on: April 04, 2020, 08:10:30 PM »
Tucker hits faulty Fauci for suggesting ‘national suicide’ while enjoying ‘bulletproof job security’.

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Tucker Carlson took aim at Dr. Anthony Fauci Friday night for his recommendation of a national stay-at-home order. The straight-talking Fox News host said that following his suggestions for long-term social distancing “would be national suicide” based on the economic hardships that are already resulting.

Carlson offered praise and his personal respect for Fauci’s well-established credentials and professional medical career before pointing out, “that does not mean that he’s never wrong. On the question of this pandemic, Fauci has been wrong repeatedly. “On January 21st, he appeared on television, for example, to reassure the public that the Wuhan coronavirus was not worth worrying about.”

Carlson offered praise and his personal respect for Fauci’s well-established credentials and professional medical career before pointing out, “that does not mean that he’s never wrong. On the question of this pandemic, Fauci has been wrong repeatedly. “On January 21st, he appeared on television, for example, to reassure the public that the Wuhan coronavirus was not worth worrying about.”

“To be clear, we are not attacking Tony Fauci for getting it wrong on coronavirus,” said Carlson. “Most people did get it wrong, in and out of medicine. It’s never easy predicting which faraway problems will become imminent crises here at home. Even the experts make big mistakes. They’re human beings. They make human mistakes. And that is exactly the point that we ought to remember going forward. Human beings frequently underestimate risk, particularly risk on the horizon. Then they very often, in turn, overreact to risk once they identify it, and we may be watching that happen right now.”

“Two months ago,” he continued, “Anthony Fauci told us not to worry about this epidemic. Now he is demanding that the federal government quarantine the entire country.” Carlson pointed out that several state officials have followed suit by extending their shutdowns months into the future already.

“More than 10 million Americans have already lost their jobs. Imagine another year of this,” said Carlson. “That would be national suicide, and yet, that is what Anthony Fauci is suggesting, at least. Now, we’re not suggesting Fauci wants to hurt America. We don’t think he does. He seems like a very decent man. But Fauci is not an economist or for that matter someone who fears being unemployed himself. … Fauci has bulletproof job security. He’s not thinking that way. He has the luxury of looking at the world through the narrow lens of his profession. He doesn’t seem to think much outside that lens.

Full story and video:

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/04/tucker-hits-faulty-fauci-for-suggesting-national-suicide-while-enjoying-bulletproof-job-security-904754

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« Reply #2614 on: April 04, 2020, 08:15:51 PM »
Fixed.

Story and video at that link.

Thanks!

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« Reply #2615 on: April 04, 2020, 08:29:11 PM »
At this point, there’s no sense in even knocking your brains out about this. It’s a smokescreen to cover up the real reason as I stated: currency devaluation and an economic reset.

Even Trump himself hasn’t been looking too good lately on his press conferences  I think it’s getting to him as he knows it’s a work.

The elephant in the room with your conspiracy is that the actions are being determined by health, not by finance.

The decision to shut down and protect lives is being driven by the health side, not the banks. Trump doesn't want to shut down but he has no choice because if he doesn't do it and millions of Americans die, he will forever be labelled as a genocidal maniac.

Or are you saying all of the medical field across the globe are in on it with all of the bankers across the globe and between them all they managed to keep the secret?

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« Reply #2616 on: April 04, 2020, 08:31:57 PM »
The elephant in the room with your conspiracy is that the actions are being determined by health, not by finance.

The decision to shut down and protect lives is being driven by the health side, not the banks. Trump doesn't want to shut down but he has no choice because if he doesn't do it and millions of Americans die, he will forever be labelled as a genocidal maniac.

Or are you saying all of the medical field across the globe are in on it with all of the bankers across the globe and between them all they managed to keep the secret?


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« Reply #2617 on: April 04, 2020, 08:33:32 PM »
You reference pre-existing conditions as to disregard, but they are a reality.  You can’t just ignore them when analyzing the covid stats. Lol.  Get the fcuk out of here.  What’s next, disregarding a previous high blood pressure diagnosis when crunching heart.  Lol.  I’ve reread a few of your commentst, and I still have no idea what you’re talking about.  Any point or argument you’re trying to communicate is lost on me.  Get yourself together man, you’re all over the place

I tink it's a case of "If my grandmother had wheels she would've been a bike" :D.

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« Reply #2618 on: April 04, 2020, 08:39:47 PM »
Where are the bodies???
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #2619 on: April 04, 2020, 08:41:47 PM »
The drugs are long established drugs already tried & tested.
It does work from all the reports from different countries - Dr Stephen Smith was on US TV
News just a couple of days ago saying it was a Game changer.

Research it on the Internet.

Why oh Why is everyone so scared of Dying as that’s the worst outcome
Like it or not We’re All Going To Die some sooner than others
Simple unavoidable Fact. Try Disputing that one 🙄

It's hasn't been tried and tested on covid19 patients, that's what they are doing now and that's why they need time. Even if it is a game changer they still won't be able to let the virus spread uncontrolled through the population because there just isn't enough hospital capacity/staff to treat those kinda numbers. To ensure treatment is delivered to everyone they will still need to maintain this lockdown for a few more weeks, continue social distancing for a few more months and more than likely another lockdown will be needed at the end of the year.

It has nothing to do with my own fear as I'm pretty sure I've had the virus back in Feb with minimal symptoms. I'm on paid furlough, my expenses are minimal and I have years of savings at hand. I could comfortably sit this situation out for years.

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« Reply #2620 on: April 04, 2020, 08:45:49 PM »
I could comfortably sit this situation out for years.
Could your neighbors? What about the next town over? While you're sitting on the situation, your neighbors, friends, family, will be running out of toilet paper, starving, dying of thirst and getting more desperate by the day. All because the government decides to overreact to some bullshit virus.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #2621 on: April 04, 2020, 08:54:07 PM »
Could your neighbors? What about the next town over? While you're sitting on the situation, your neighbors, friends, family, will be running out of toilet paper, starving, dying of thirst and getting more desperate by the day. All because the government decides to overreact to some bullshit virus.

Same things you describe would happen if the virus spread uncontrollably through a large population. Only this time the masses would be pissed at the government for doing nothing. At least right now they are seeing some action from the governments.

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« Reply #2622 on: April 04, 2020, 09:05:19 PM »
Could your neighbors? What about the next town over? While you're sitting on the situation, your neighbors, friends, family, will be running out of toilet paper, starving, dying of thirst and getting more desperate by the day. All because the government decides to overreact to some bullshit virus.

If it ever gets to the point where people are starving or dying of thirst in the developed West, we are all fucked.Rich or poor.Anyone seen to not be struggling will be the first to be targeted for resources.

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« Reply #2623 on: April 04, 2020, 09:13:00 PM »
The treatment may indeed work, but they aren't certain of that yet.

What if they let everyone get infected and then gave everyone treatment and it does work, or worse ends up increasing the number of dead because of side effects. Drugs aren't perfect, in some cases they cause worse issues than they treat. The need time to make sure it's effective and safe.

So immediate death is seen as better than death from sides effects years later, its OK man, in all honesty that's why people are dying and that's why I have my hydroxychloroquine and azithromyocin as i dont trust government as they think similar to yourself i bought both drugs on the net over a month maybe 6 weeks ago, there're also HIV drugs kamera thats are working, along with Ivermectin etc.

People are dying due to herd incompetence not herd immunity, they are still dying as worldwide supply has dried up as countries look to nationalise supplies, Governments have thought like you do, until the body count got up high enough. Now the position of managing  from a position of potential liability which all western governments mange from has changed as some governments and countries have little to no mortality compared to others and the difference is treatment. So now all the high body count nations have to look at themselves and think how many must die before we change practice, they have changed now but cannot secure supply.

This virus and the treatment options cannot save the very old who were dying anyway, and you need to get the drugs into you if your old before you get to far gone, yes drugs are being rationed due to lack of doses, basically if your not old and sick which is the high risk group they dont want to give it to you and in a few cases this has caused death, as you need to get the treatment into you before you get to respirator stage in most cases.

No doubt it is bad but ask yourselves how did the world health community let so many die when there was already viral medication available thats just wasn't approved to treat a new virus, wouldn't you think you would check existing drugs, before looking to new.

The WHO is as incompetent as the UN.

Dont trust your government, we all have to to a point, but do what you can outside of that trust to save yourself and others, never underestimate the incompetence, no different to not owning a gun as the police have them to protect us. They can't be trusted with our health and this crisis demonstrates thats.

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« Reply #2624 on: April 04, 2020, 09:18:08 PM »
Wuhan and the chinese were the first to discover these drugs, all other people claiming it are just lying, the studies were online in febuary, most global universities are conducting tests based on that information which is no longer online.