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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #2900 on: April 09, 2020, 05:38:13 PM »
In South Africa, lockdown has been extended for 2 weeks after the current 3 weeks, making it a 5 week lockdown.

I'll call Strydom for confirmation.
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« Reply #2901 on: April 09, 2020, 05:46:31 PM »
24-year-old EMT with coronavirus dies


A 24-year-old Pompton Lakes EMT died from complications with the coronavirus, friends and state officials said.

Kevin Leiva, an EMT in North Bergen and at Saint Clare’s Dover Hospital, died from complications with the coronavirus Tuesday, said Cesar Perez, an EMS supervisor in Passaic for Saint Clare’s. He leaves behind his wife Marina.

Leiva is the second EMT who worked at Saint Clare’s to have died from complications with the coronavirus. He died one week to the day after the death of Israel Tolentino Jr., a 33-year-old Passaic firefighter and EMT at Saint Clare’s.

Leiva was remembered as smart, positive and selfless, who lived to help others through being an EMT.

“We did everything together,” said Kara Connolly, his partner for two years at Saint Clare’s. “We became really close. I talked to him every single day. He’s so selfless. He did everything for anybody.”

At Thursday’s press briefing, Gov. Phil Murphy honored the young EMT, thanking him for his years helping others.

“Kevin was only 24 years old," said Murphy. “Bless him. We thank him for his service. For an extraordinary lifetime. For his service to this state.”

Perez, Leiva and Leiva’s best friend Franklin Pachay all started at Monmouth Ocean Hospital Service Corporation (MONOC) at the same time, meeting at their orientation. Although Leiva was a dedicated, diligent EMT, eventually becoming an EMT supervisor for Saint Clare’s, his friends would tease him for nodding off during orientation videos.

“We used to crack on him because he used to fall asleep during the videos,” recalled Perez. “He was great and he’s going to be missed.”

When it came to work itself, Leiva was serious, said Perez. But at work, Leiva was never without a snappy comeback, he said.

“He was always known as super funny and positive and hard-working,” said Connolly. When Saint Clare’s was awarded the contract to provide emergency medical services for Passaic, both Connolly and Leiva applied. The two became partners, talking every day and becoming good friends.

Eventually, both became EMS supervisors at Saint Clare’s.

A candlelight vigil was planned for Friday from 7:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. to honor Leiva at the Passaic EMS headquarters on Grove Street.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #2902 on: April 09, 2020, 05:52:23 PM »
Some people are going to die no matter how old they are.

They have weak immune systems or some peculiar susceptibility to the virus.

It sucks for them and their families.

Just hope you are not one of those unfortunate people.


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« Reply #2903 on: April 09, 2020, 06:11:44 PM »
Some people are going to die no matter how old they are.

They have weak immune systems or some peculiar susceptibility to the virus.

It sucks for them and their families.

Just hope you are not one of those unfortunate people.




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« Reply #2904 on: April 09, 2020, 06:29:10 PM »


They have weak immune systems or some peculiar susceptibility to the virus.





If someone (like fat Americans) screwed his immune system with sugary & process food , Chingsvirus will eliminate them.

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« Reply #2905 on: April 09, 2020, 06:35:21 PM »
At the end of the day, liberals are always wrong:




https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-cure-not-worse-than-disease-971808

PETER WADE AND PATRICK REIS  MARCH 23, 2020 6:15PM EDT


/In that light, dealing with even a lot of economic and personal pain seems worth it, especially with an estimated 2.2 million American lives at stake


Fauci Slashes U.S. Death Projection, Raising Hope for Reopening

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-09/fauci-says-u-s-virus-deaths-may-be-60-000-halving-projections

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« Reply #2906 on: April 09, 2020, 07:18:08 PM »

Even the sycophantic GOP admit that the orange turd's "leadership" is too stupid even for stupid GOP voters (and that is really stupid)





Trump Keeps Talking. Some Republicans Don’t Like What They’re Hearing.


Mr. Trump “sometimes drowns out his own message,” said Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina,
who has become one of the president’s informal counselors and told him “a once-a-week show” could be more effective.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-keeps-talking-some-republicans-dont-like-what-theyre-hearing/ar-BB12pb1N

t’s the kind of performance the president relishes, but one that has his advisers and Republican allies worried.


As unemployment soars and the death toll skyrockets, and new polls show support for the president’s handling of the crisis sagging, White House allies and Republican lawmakers increasingly believe the briefings are hurting the president more than helping him. Many view the sessions as a kind of original sin from which all of his missteps flow, once he gets through his prepared script and turns to his preferred style of extemporaneous bluster and invective.

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Mr. Trump “sometimes drowns out his own message,” said Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who has become one of the president’s informal counselors and told him “a once-a-week show” could be more effective. Representative Susan Brooks of Indiana said “they’re going on too long.” Senator Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia said the briefings were “going off the rails a little bit” and suggested that he should “let the health professionals guide where we’re going to go.”

Anthony S. Fauci, Donald Trump are posing for a picture: Mr. Trump has told aides he relishes the free television time and high ratings that come with his nightly appearances.© Doug Mills/The New York Times Mr. Trump has told aides he relishes the free television time and high ratings that come with his nightly appearances.
Even the conservative Wall Street Journal editorial board chastised the president for his behavior at the briefings. “Covid-19 isn’t shifty Schiff,” it wrote in an editorial on Thursday, using Mr. Trump’s nickname for Representative Adam Schiff. “It’s a once-a-century threat to American life and livelihood.”

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With only intermittent attempts to adapt to a moment of crisis, Mr. Trump is effectively wagering that he can win re-election in the midst of a national emergency on a platform of polarization.

In interviews, Republican lawmakers, administration officials and members of his re-election campaign said they wanted Mr. Trump to limit his error-filled appearances at the West Wing briefings and move more aggressively to prepare for the looming recession. Some even suggested he summon a broader range of the country’s leaders, including former Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, in an all-hands-on-deck moment to respond to the national emergency.

The consternation reflects a new sense of urgency over Mr. Trump’s re-election efforts as Joseph R. Biden Jr. emerges as his likely Democratic challenger. Three new polls this week show Mr. Biden leading the president, and the Trump campaign’s internal surveys show he has mostly lost the initial bump he received early in the crisis, according to three people briefed on the numbers. Public polls show he badly trails the nation’s governors and his own medical experts in terms of whom Americans trust most for guidance.

“I told him your opponent is no longer Joe Biden — it’s this virus,” Mr. Graham said.

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One of Mr. Trump’s top political advisers, speaking on the condition of anonymity so as not to anger the president, was even blunter, arguing that the White House was handing Mr. Biden ammunition each night by sending the president out to the cameras.

Vice President Mike Pence, this adviser said, should be the M.C. because he projects more empathy than the president, rarely makes mistakes and, as a former governor and the chief of the coronavirus task force, has a better grasp on the details of the response.

Yet the publicity-obsessed president is unlikely to relinquish his grip on the evening sessions: Mr. Trump has told aides he relishes the free television time and boffo ratings that come with his appearances, administration officials say.

He also views it as an opportunity to put forth his version of events and rebut the negative coverage he is receiving, as he showed in a tweet Thursday afternoon. On a day that New York State reported 799 deaths from the coronavirus in a 24-hour period, Mr. Trump’s focus was on himself, and his feuds.

Deep divisions remain in the White House and the Republican Party over how quickly to ease social distancing orders and urge Americans to return to school and work. Some who have Mr. Trump’s ear, like Mr. Graham, are urging prudence. But a number of Republican lawmakers and Fox News personalities are lobbying the president to reopen the economy as quickly as possible.

Amid the conflicting advice, the president’s gut instincts and fondness for showmanship have won out, prompting him to frequently contradict or simply obscure the scientists who polls show are most trusted by voters.

And it’s not just an overwhelming majority of voters who believe the medical experts should be center stage: Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, personally urged Mr. Trump at the start of the crisis to let Drs. Anthony S. Fauci and Deborah Birx be the face of the response, according to a Republican official familiar with their conversation.

Judd Deere, a White House spokesman, said: “Any suggestion that President Trump is struggling on tone or message is completely false. During these difficult times, Americans are receiving comfort, hope and resources from their president, as well as their local officials, and Americans are responding in unprecedented ways.”

Some of Mr. Trump’s aides have quietly suggested to him that he ratchet back his public attacks on the governors who have emerged as leaders in the response to the virus. But they acknowledge their efforts can be something of a fool’s errand; the president has his style and he won’t change, they say.

His attacks on Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, a popular Democrat and potential vice-presidential pick for Mr. Biden — whom Mr. Trump called a “half-Whit” and “that woman” — were of particular concern to some aides and political advisers, who believe he risked alienating voters in a pivotal state.

Representative Paul Mitchell, a Michigan Republican, said he had contacted a senior White House official, as well as Ms. Whitmer herself, to express his unhappiness about their mutual sniping.

“It is not helpful to hurl names and talk about badly about people,” Mr. Mitchell said. “We need to focus on the problem.”

At Mr. Trump’s re-election campaign, staff members have closely monitored internal polling data showing an erosion of the gains Mr. Trump made immediately after he put social distancing guidelines in place. Advisers are torn between knowing that a less abrasive approach would help Mr. Trump and their awareness that he can’t tolerate criticism, regardless of the setting.

Mr. Trump’s limited gains in the polls are all the more striking when compared with those made by governors in both parties; many are enjoying double-digit gains in their approval ratings. And Mr. Trump’s penchant for ad hominem attacks, Republicans say, illustrates why he has little room for growth among the electorate.

“He can’t escape his instincts, his desire to put people down, like Mitt Romney, or to talk about his ratings,” said former Representative Carlos Curbelo, a Florida Republican. “That’s why he’s not getting the George W. Bush post-9/11 treatment. A leader in this sort of crisis should have a 75-to-80-percent approval rating.”

That would prove difficult for even a more conventional president at a time the country is so politically divided, but a number of prominent Republicans believe Mr. Trump has hurt himself by making only the most halting attempts at demonstrating an above-the-fray unity.

For example, aides to both Mr. Bush and Mr. Obama said that neither had been asked by the White House to do anything to aid the response to the crisis.

“The model of Obama asking Bush and Clinton to work on Haiti is a really good model,” said former Gov. Bill Haslam of Tennessee, recalling how Mr. Obama deployed Mr. Bush and former President Bill Clinton to lead the United States’ assistance to Haiti after the devastating 2010 earthquake there.

But Mr. Haslam and other Republicans believe Mr. Trump needs to go much further. Mr. Haslam called for creating a recovery team and installing “the economic equivalent of Dr. Fauci” as its leader. Asked whom he had in mind, Mr. Haslam suggested Mitch Daniels, who previously served as the governor of Indiana, the head of the Office of Management and Budget and as chief executive of the pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly.

A number of senators, including Mr. Graham, are also pushing for a sort of economic task force to complement the virus task force.

“The administration needs to be thinking through what does it look like to get back to business,” said Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, suggesting that it should “give a lot of thought to how we scale back up economically, because that’s going to be the next big challenge for us.”

The health of the economy may pose the biggest challenge to Mr. Trump’s re-election.

Mr. Toomey said he “won’t be surprised if we have 25 percent unemployment,” which would match the height of the Great Depression, by the start of the summer. But he said that if voters believed “the president has handled this well under the circumstances, and we’re on a good path, he has a shot.”

Other Republicans are more skeptical that Mr. Trump can win if he’s still saddled with double-digit unemployment in November. “I think that makes it really hard,” said Tony Fratto, a former Bush administration official.

And then there’s the matter of Mr. Trump and his conduct at the daily briefings.

Mr. Toomey has been outspoken about the need for Americans to wear masks when they leave home. Last week he had a 20-minute conversation with the president, whom he described as “thoughtful and engaged.”

By week’s end, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had issued guidelines: People should wear “cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.” The agency’s decision was based in part on recent studies showing that people without symptoms can give the virus to others.

But in the same briefing where he announced the guidelines, Mr. Trump diminished the move as “a recommendation.”

“I just don’t want to wear one myself,” he said, explaining that he had no symptoms. “I am feeling good.”

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« Reply #2907 on: April 09, 2020, 10:37:43 PM »
Now they are saying that 8 out of every 10 that have died from this candy ass virus were either lifetime smokers or obese.

Measles and Polio and rolling around on the floor laughing at Covid19.

That was pretty much what was said on the first page of this thread 7 weeks ago. It's only new news if you lack the skills or haven't bothered in trying to piece information together.

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« Reply #2908 on: April 09, 2020, 11:48:48 PM »
Ok after a lot of messing around i got hold of some Italian data. This is not a complete country view, it is only verified municipalities.

There are 21 municipalities in the data set. Total deaths are for 1st March to the 28th March.

2019 recorded 14,603 deaths.
2020 recorded 29,565 deaths.
Change +14,962 deaths.

I have the total Italy country deaths for March 2019 which was 57,882 therefore the 2019 number of 14,603 in the above data represents 25% of the 2019 value.

I would not extrapolate the data across the entire country but i would assume it would be conservative to double that figure and say this has caused at least +30k deaths above normal trendline.


Hopefully my posts with the actual data are.being followed here because it's been a headache to find it.

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« Reply #2909 on: April 10, 2020, 12:43:40 AM »
Now they are saying that 8 out of every 10 that have died from this candy ass virus were either lifetime smokers or obese.

Measles and Polio and rolling around on the floor laughing at Covid19.

If you want to talk about obesity being an epidemic that’s kills large numbers of people, I’m all in on that one.

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« Reply #2910 on: April 10, 2020, 12:46:52 AM »
Lets not forget that bulking bodybuilders are obese.

Just because you have some muscle doesnt mean youre healthy.

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« Reply #2911 on: April 10, 2020, 04:30:19 AM »
Lets not forget that bulking bodybuilders are obese.

Just because you have some muscle doesnt mean youre healthy.


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« Reply #2912 on: April 10, 2020, 05:37:21 AM »
Ok after a lot of messing around i got hold of some Italian data. This is not a complete country view, it is only verified municipalities.

There are 21 municipalities in the data set. Total deaths are for 1st March to the 28th March.

2019 recorded 14,603 deaths.
2020 recorded 29,565 deaths.
Change +14,962 deaths.

I have the total Italy country deaths for March 2019 which was 57,882 therefore the 2019 number of 14,603 in the above data represents 25% of the 2019 value.

I would not extrapolate the data across the entire country but i would assume it would be conservative to double that figure and say this has caused at least +30k deaths above normal trendline.


Hopefully my posts with the actual data are.being followed here because it's been a headache to find it.

But but dems, just flu, 5g, not real...... ::)

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« Reply #2913 on: April 10, 2020, 11:26:35 AM »
Some people are going to die no matter how old they are.

They have weak immune systems or some peculiar susceptibility to the virus.

It sucks for them and their families.

Just hope you are not one of those unfortunate people.



Some people who contract COVID - 19 will die from it regardless of their age. All people are going to die no matter how old they are. Some will die young and some don't die until they are very old, but eventually everyone dies.

A friend of mine has a weak immune system as a result of chemotherapy when she had throat cancer. This is a side effect I'd not known about before. Her immune system will never recover.

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« Reply #2914 on: April 10, 2020, 12:22:51 PM »
Just came out that here in L.A. we have what probably is called "Herd immunity", meaning Corona actually came here from China last year, which is why we had an epidemic flu season last year with 3000 deaths and 55,000 hospitalizations, 2 to 3 times the average number of flu deaths. Latest research shows it worked it's way through some of the population that now has immunity, and this is why California doesn't seem to be hit as hard as NY or other metropolitan centers that size. It's a flu.

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« Reply #2915 on: April 10, 2020, 12:40:56 PM »
Just came out that here in L.A. we have what probably is called "Herd immunity", meaning Corona actually came here from China last year, which is why we had an epidemic flu season last year with 3000 deaths and 55,000 hospitalizations, 2 to 3 times the average number of flu deaths. Latest research shows it worked it's way through some of the population that now has immunity, and this is why California doesn't seem to be hit as hard as NY or other metropolitan centers that size. It's a flu.

Army of one incoming.....

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« Reply #2916 on: April 10, 2020, 12:44:02 PM »
Just came out that here in L.A. we have what probably is called "Herd immunity", meaning Corona actually came here from China last year, which is why we had an epidemic flu season last year with 3000 deaths and 55,000 hospitalizations, 2 to 3 times the average number of flu deaths. Latest research shows it worked it's way through some of the population that now has immunity, and this is why California doesn't seem to be hit as hard as NY or other metropolitan centers that size. It's a flu.

What time period last year?

Yes it's possible, but also worth considering that there are fewer people around with serious comorbitites and compromised immune systems right now which would cause a  peak in covid19 hospitalisation/death, because they were taken out already by a bad flu.

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« Reply #2917 on: April 10, 2020, 12:45:05 PM »
Just came out that here in L.A. we have what probably is called "Herd immunity", meaning Corona actually came here from China last year, which is why we had an epidemic flu season last year with 3000 deaths and 55,000 hospitalizations, 2 to 3 times the average number of flu deaths. Latest research shows it worked it's way through some of the population that now has immunity, and this is why California doesn't seem to be hit as hard as NY or other metropolitan centers that size. It's a flu.

I never knew this message board had so many scientists who specialize in viruses.




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« Reply #2918 on: April 10, 2020, 12:48:39 PM »

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« Reply #2919 on: April 10, 2020, 12:50:12 PM »
I never knew this message board had so many scientists who specialize in viruses.


You mean like the scientists at the WHO that are meant to be experts and who work full time at this that basically got everything wrong?

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« Reply #2920 on: April 10, 2020, 12:53:28 PM »
I never knew this message board had so many scientists who specialize in viruses.





Isnt it amazing?

And the numbers grow day by day

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« Reply #2921 on: April 10, 2020, 01:34:23 PM »
Don't tell the public. The stock price might drop.


Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman has recovered from the coronavirus

Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman fell ill with the coronavirus about three weeks ago and has since recovered and been cleared by physicians, according to a company spokesman.

The executive remained in charge of Morgan Stanley the entire time he was ill and has been working from home, according to spokesman Wesley McDade.

“Given the fact that Mr. Gorman’s symptoms were not severe and that he continued to function as Chairman and CEO while working from home throughout the illness (as are more than 90% of our employees), it was determined that his illness was not material” enough to disclose to shareholders in a filing, McDade said in an email.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/morgan-stanley-ceo-james-gorman-has-recovered-from-coronavirus.html

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« Reply #2922 on: April 10, 2020, 01:49:37 PM »
UK guidance on identifying cause of death


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Medical practitioners are required to certify causes of death “to the best of their knowledge and belief”. Without diagnostic proof, if appropriate and to avoid delay, medical practitioners can circle ‘2’ in the MCCD (“information from post-mortem may be available later”) or tick Box B on the reverse of the MCCD for ante-mortem investigations. For example, if before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID- 19 infection, but the test result has not been received, it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death, tick Box B and then share the test result when it becomes available. In the circumstances of there being no swab, it is satisfactory to apply clinical judgement.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3zBsPMUzXQRTlyp1uQ9aw-o9Kshl_8E2-8Tbw9CJlwxFP-iFc8lMWDZ-I


So, no test and it can be labelled a covid19 death..

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« Reply #2923 on: April 10, 2020, 01:56:32 PM »
I never knew this message board had so many scientists who specialize in viruses.






Hell yes, but none of them post info about medical qualifications  ;D


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« Reply #2924 on: April 10, 2020, 02:06:30 PM »

Hell yes, but none of them post info about medical qualifications  ;D



what would that prove, we're amongst colleagues after all  ;D