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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3325 on: April 27, 2020, 09:03:13 AM »
Most haven't.

You can't compare a spread in prison with the outside world.

You actually can....

It's a valuable resource in studying the effects of the virus on a population group that's why these types of situations, prisons, cruise ships etc are closely monitored by infectious disease experts.

Why?

It's possible to test the entire population and then from the results extrapolate from that data what may be happening in larger untestable groups... Ie how many people are asymptomatics , how many are immune to infection, a true mortality rate from the group (as you can actually detect all the cases) unlike in the real world ..

You dumb fuck.

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« Reply #3326 on: April 27, 2020, 09:08:39 AM »
Settle down Penis Lust. I don’t need to explain myself to anybody. It’s a joke that he’s a president. He is a joke.  I Hope life is good in Hawaii in isolation?  They are lifting some restrictions here in my state on Saturday and it’s so confusing that I wish things would remain in place. It’s just another way to try and issue us with fines.

First off, I will let that personal insult and name calling past this time. I'm trying to avoid getting into the constant shit fest that go on here and me being accused with always fighting with everybody here. So I'll let the first insult pass and mark the point to prove that I am not the one who first resorts to personal insults. But if that is what someone wants then you should know by now that I will go to the death.

There has never been a case that I can remember when someone has a claim or belief in something when the conclusion was arrived at by reason and wasn't ready and eager to explain why they think that way. They are less concerned whether or not you agree but will debate their point.

It is always the case that when a conclusion is reached by feelings that they will avoid explaining how they came to that conclusion because there is none. One feels they can make a claim or accusation and leave it at that. "I don't need to explain myself." And seem almost offended that anyone would even question them. Well then, you don't need to give an opinion either. The main stream media is overwhelming anti-Trump. The sheer hatred is unprecedented and it filters down to the masses who are more concerned with Trump's abrasive and often crass personality than anything he has actually done. They create the "mood" or "impression". Not unlike the " mood" or "impression" many have of you because of the oft repeated story of you being a rat on the other board even though they weren't there to witness it. Or the constant Lee Priest reference. Say it enough and people get an impression.

So perhaps being a woman is relevant in this case because women are far more likely than men to come to conclusions based on feelings rather than reason.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3327 on: April 27, 2020, 09:20:49 AM »
White House officials say Trump works so hard, he often misses lunch



Doesn't look like he missed too many lunches.. Check your glasses Mark Meadows, oh yeah first pull your head out of the turd's as*



Some actual fake news


https://nypost.com/2020/04/26/trump-works-so-hard-he-often-misses-lunch-white-house-officials/


President Trump’s schedule is so packed amid the coronavirus crisis that he sometimes skips lunch, his aides told The Post — refuting a report that the commander-in-chief spends his days obsessing over TV coverage and eating fries.

White House staffers said the president works around the clock and can make five dozen work-related calls a day during the pandemic.

“I can tell you that the biggest concern I have as a new chief of staff is making sure he gets some time to get a quick bite to eat,” White House chief of staff Mark Meadows told The Post.

He said Trump recently called him at 3:19 a.m. He wasn’t expecting the call and was asleep when the phone rang.

“I can tell you that he will go back in and have a lunch just off the Oval Office and more times than not it is interrupted by several phone calls,” Meadows said. “If he gets more than 10 minutes of time in a given day, I haven’t seen in the five weeks I’ve been here.”

A different White House official said Trump some days doesn’t eat lunch.

“There are times when lunch isn’t even a thought,” the official said. “A lot of time there’s either no time for lunch or there is 10 minutes for lunch.”

An account in the New York Times that claimed Trump lingers in his bedroom as late as noon infuriated the president, who tweeted Sunday, “I will often be in the Oval Office late into the night & read & see that I am angrily eating a hamburger & Diet Coke in my bedroom.”

“I work from early in the morning until late at night,” the president tweeted.

Another White House official provided The Post with data on recent presidential phone calls, which they said attest to his packed schedule.

On Wednesday, Trump made about two dozen morning calls starting with a conversation around 6:30 a.m. with Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, according to the official.

Enlarge ImageUS Secretary of the Treasury Steve Mnuchin speaks while US president Donald Trump listens
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin speaks while President Trump listens.Getty Images
On Thursday morning, Trump made 18 work-related calls from his private quarters, including four to foreign leaders, which can be lengthy due to translation and a broad range of topics. On Friday, he began the day with another four calls with foreign leaders.

Trump returned to the White House residence at 9 p.m. Wednesday and Thursday, according to the official. On Thursday night, he made 11 work calls. On Wednesday night, he was calling until 11:30 p.m. and spoke with a governor, a senator and a congressman.

Trump has meetings and calls during his time in the Oval Office. On Thursday, he took nearly three dozen calls.

“He’ll call up until late evening or midnight on a fairly regular basis,” Meadows said.

At night, “normally he will get six or seven calls from members [of Congress] or business leaders or community leaders, so oftentimes what he will do is go up to the residence and have the White House operator literally do back-to-back calls,” Meadows said.

If Trump has something on his mind, he prefers to call right away. “When he calls in the evening or the early morning, it’s really with a pressing issue that demands immediate action,” Meadows said.

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Acting White House chief of staff Mark MeadowsGetty Images
Morning phone calls from the residence are routine for Trump.

“I get phone calls from him early in the morning and at the end of the day,” said Peter Navarro, director of the White House Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy.

“I think I work hard. I put in probably 12-hour days seven days a week and he runs circles around all of us,” Navarro said. “He never seems to tire. So this idea that he’s not working hard is just so absurd. Note to the New York Times: Spending time in the morning reading all of the material that’s given to him by his staff secretary, as well as virtually all of the newspapers, that’s work. That’s not kicking back with a croissant.”

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Trump largely has been confined to the White House since COVID-19 triggered widespread business closures and halted his extensive travel. Now, public engagements are limited to press briefings and less frequent televised pool sprays with reporters in the West Wing and on the White House grounds.

Officials don’t dispute that Trump often has a TV screen on during the day, but said that’s a reasonable thing to do. They also do not deny that the president powers through the day on Diet Coke.

Trump monitoring TV news coverage “is like a linebacker watching tape,” the first official said. “How else are we going to know what’s being said and what’s being reported out there?”

Trump’s schedule generally is grueling for reporters and officials whose personal lives are tied to his activities. On Easter, for example, Trump was working in the Oval Office to broker an oil production agreement between Saudi Arabia and Russia.

“We watch him work and work and work, and we get frustrated by the inaccurate coverage, which does not reflect the hard work and leadership we witness every day,” the second official said.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3328 on: April 27, 2020, 09:21:49 AM »
I am not going to explain my reasons for strongly disliking Trump. Because I am the only female around these parts of the woods, it doesn’t mean you can use me to derail this thread. I know you are bored but I suggest you start taking some arimidex again. I am going to cook dinner and watch some Netflix.

Who cares what you think about Trump, lol. Your own country is being bitch slapped by China. It'll be interesting to see if you all fold under threats from the scary CCP.

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« Reply #3329 on: April 27, 2020, 11:30:43 AM »
You actually can....

It's a valuable resource in studying the effects of the virus on a population group that's why these types of situations, prisons, cruise ships etc are closely monitored by infectious disease experts.

Why?

It's possible to test the entire population and then from the results extrapolate from that data what may be happening in larger untestable groups... Ie how many people are asymptomatics , how many are immune to infection, a true mortality rate from the group (as you can actually detect all the cases) unlike in the real world ..

You dumb fuck.

But not the spread, which was what we were discussing.

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« Reply #3330 on: April 27, 2020, 04:52:50 PM »
Money paper and coins are so laden with germs, there is no way you'd want to handle it right now. Plastic requires minimal touching and the scanner and stylist can be disinfected between users. This is what is happening at the grocery stores in my town. COVID-19 will probably change how commerce is conducted forever.

Yesterday, I wanted a Subway sandwich. The ordering, delivery and transaction involved a minimal of human contact. Ordered and paid for it online, picked it up at the store at the scheduled time. Signed the receipt with my own pen. When I got home I unwrapped it onto a plate and then washed my hands really well before eating it. The store clerks make the sandwich wearing disposable gloves. The opportunity for a transfer of germs was almost totally minimized.


Silly old fart, like no one else would do that !. Worthless blah-blah-blah........................................

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« Reply #3331 on: April 27, 2020, 05:01:10 PM »
I am so not an adopted American that your comments cracked me up.

Ever hear of the SAR (Sons of the American Revolution)? Probably not. My grandfather was a member which means if I wanted, I could be a member. So no there are no photos of me in the 3rd Reich. Which by the way was from 1933 until the end of World War II in Europe on May 8, 1945 and not the dates you claimed. At that time i was not yet a year old.

You fixed nothing because it was never broken. Guess history isn't your strong suit, huh?



So you didn't live in Deutschland in 1948 (with your uncle) & attend French/English school !.

Your memory really sucks !.

REREAD your own writings , stupid old fart.

You also didn't plan to kill yourself before Christmas 2019  ::)

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« Reply #3332 on: April 27, 2020, 05:06:55 PM »
I am not going to explain my reasons for strongly disliking Trump. Because I am the only female around these parts of the woods, it doesn’t mean you can use me to derail this thread. I know you are bored but I suggest you start taking some arimidex again. I am going to cook dinner and watch some Netflix.

& I am the only male around these parts of the woods* who saw you naked in the Picture magz  ;D

What was yours ''Artistic" name !

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« Reply #3333 on: April 27, 2020, 05:13:42 PM »
Prime has given many reasons for disliking Trump.

But I am not asking you that. I thought my question was very specific. What specific examples can you give of Trump's incompetence? What he actually did and what you think he should have done. A specific example. Not just saying "he was slow to act on the coronavirus." What he actually did and what you think he should have done?

Names of super incompentent Australian Prime Ministers:

- Kevin Rudd (Chinese lover)

- Julia Gillard (buddy of Hillary)

- Malcolm Turnbull  (+ $ 300 millions 'socialist')

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« Reply #3334 on: April 27, 2020, 05:22:05 PM »
Who cares what you think about Trump, lol. Your own country is being bitch slapped by China. It'll be interesting to see if you all fold under threats from the scary CCP.
Australia is doing well in comparison to other countries. 

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« Reply #3335 on: April 27, 2020, 06:16:44 PM »
I am not going to explain my reasons for strongly disliking Trump. Because I am the only female around these parts of the woods, it doesn’t mean you can use me to derail this thread. I know you are bored but I suggest you start taking some arimidex again. I am going to cook dinner and watch some Netflix.
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« Reply #3336 on: April 27, 2020, 06:25:20 PM »
Shows how this thing is not dangerous at all to most people at all.

Are you suggesting the leadership of countries from all over the world are fabricating the numbers? Why would they do this. What do they have to gain from it? It may not be dangerous to a lot of people, but it is deadly to many. 

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« Reply #3337 on: April 27, 2020, 06:27:22 PM »
President’s intelligence briefing book repeatedly cited virus threat

The word "intelligence" must have repulsed the orange turd




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/presidents-intelligence-briefing-book-repeatedly-cited-virus-threat/ar-BB13hFnC

U.S. intelligence agencies issued warnings about the novel coronavirus in more than a dozen classified briefings prepared for President Trump in January and February, months during which he continued to play down the threat, according to current and former U.S. officials.

a person sitting in front of a door: President Trump delivers a television national address on the coronavirus pandemic from the Oval Office on March 11.© Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post President Trump delivers a television national address on the coronavirus pandemic from the Oval Office on March 11.
The repeated warnings were conveyed in issues of the President’s Daily Brief, a sensitive report that is produced before dawn each day and designed to call the president’s attention to the most significant global developments and security threats.


For weeks, the PDB — as the report is known — traced the virus’s spread around the globe, made clear that China was suppressing information about the contagion’s transmissibility and lethal toll, and raised the prospect of dire political and economic consequences.



But the alarms appear to have failed to register with the president, who routinely skips reading the PDB and has at times shown little patience for even the oral summary he takes two or three times per week, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss classified material.

The advisories being relayed by U.S. spy agencies were part of a broader collection of worrisome signals that came during a period now regarded by many public health officials and other experts as a squandered opportunity to contain the outbreak.

As of Monday, more than 55,000 people in the United States had died of covid-19.

The frequency with which the coronavirus was mentioned in the PDB has not been previously reported, and U.S. officials said it reflected a level of attention comparable to periods when analysts have been tracking active terrorism threats, overseas conflicts or other rapidly developing security issues.

A White House spokesman disputed the characterization that Trump was slow to respond to the virus threat. “President Trump rose to fight this crisis head-on by taking early, aggressive historic action to protect the health, wealth and well-being of the American people,” said spokesman Hogan Gidley. “We will get through this difficult time and defeat this virus because of his decisive leadership.”


The Office of the Director of National Intelligence is responsible for the PDB. In response to questions about the repeated mentions of coronavirus, a DNI official said, “The detail of this is not true.” The official declined to explain or elaborate.

U.S. officials emphasized that the PDB references to the virus included comprehensive articles on aspects of the global outbreak, but also smaller digest items meant to keep Trump and senior administration officials updated on the course of the contagion. Versions of the PDB are also shared with Cabinet secretaries and other high-ranking U.S. officials.

One official said that by mid- to late January the coronavirus was being mentioned more frequently, either as one of the report’s core articles or in what is known as an “executive update,” and that it was almost certainly called to Trump’s attention orally.

The administration’s first major step to arrest the spread of the virus came in late January, when Trump restricted travel between the United States and China, where the virus is believed to have originated late last year.

But Trump spent much of February publicly playing down the threat while his administration failed to mobilize for a major outbreak by securing supplies of protective equipment, developing an effective diagnostic test and preparing plans to quarantine large portions of the population.

Trump insisted publicly on Feb. 26 that the number of cases “within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero,” and said the next day that “it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

In reality, the virus was by then moving swiftly through communities across the United States, spreading virtually unchecked in New York City and other population centers until state governors began imposing sweeping lockdowns, requiring social distancing and all but closing huge sectors of the country’s economy.

As late as March 10, Trump said: “Just stay calm. It will go away.” The next day, the World Health Organization declared the coronavirus outbreak a global pandemic.

By then, officials said, the warnings in the PDB and other intelligence reports had taken on the aspect of an insistent drumbeat. The first mention of the coronavirus in the PDB came at the beginning of January, focusing on what at that point were troubling signs of a new virus spreading through the Chinese city of Wuhan, and the Chinese government’s apparent efforts to conceal details of the outbreak.

In the ensuing weeks, U.S. intelligence agencies devoted additional resources and departments to tracking the spread of the coronavirus. At the CIA, the effort involved agency centers on China, Europe and Latin America, as well as departments de­voted to transnational health threats, officials said.



The preliminary intelligence on the coronavirus was fragmentary, and did not address the prospects of a severe outbreak in the United States.

U.S. intelligence officials, citing scientific evidence, have largely dismissed the notion that the virus was deliberately genetically engineered. But they are continuing to examine whether the virus somehow escaped a virology lab in Wuhan, where research on naturally occurring coronaviruses has been conducted.

“We’re looking at it very closely, but we just don’t know,” said one senior U.S. intelligence official.

The warnings conveyed in the PDB probably will be a focus of any future investigation of the Trump administration’s handling of the pandemic. Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, in early April called for the formation of an independent commission analogous to the one created to investigate the Sept, 11, 2001, attacks.

In response to that probe, the George W. Bush administration was pressured to declassify portions of the PDB from August 2001 — a month before 9/11 — warning that al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was “determined to strike in U.S.”

Senior officials with direct knowledge of Trump’s intelligence briefings say that Trump listens and asks questions during the sessions. “We go in and he treats us with respect,” one senior official said.

But Trump has also been combative or dismissive toward U.S. intelligence agencies throughout his presidency.

In mid-February, as the pathogen was spreading, Trump fired acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire after learning that a senior analyst had briefed members of Congress that Russia was seeking to interfere in the 2020 presidential election and had “developed a preference” for Trump.

Officials have noted that Trump was also contending with the Senate impeachment trial in January and focused on other security issues, including tracking Iran’s response to a Jan. 3 U.S. airstrike that killed a top Iranian commander, Qasem Soleimani, in Baghdad.

David Priess, a former CIA officer who was a PDB briefer in the George W. Bush administration, said that even if Trump is ignoring his briefing book, other officials including national security adviser Robert O’Brien are probably digesting the material and interacting with Trump daily.

O’Brien’s deputy, Matthew Pottinger, has a background in intelligence and was among a small circle of senior officials urging early action to contain the coronavirus, U.S. officials said. Pottinger pushed to close off air travel from Europe in February, officials said, but Trump did not do so until mid-March.

“The fact that [Trump] gets only two or three briefings a week from the intelligence professionals doesn’t mean that’s the only exposure to the PDB he’s getting,” Priess said. “He can get the best intelligence in the world and still not make good decisions based on it.”

Priess, author of a book on intelligence briefings for presidents, said that Trump’s predecessors have been varied in their approaches to consuming intelligence. President Barack Obama was considered an avid reader of “the book,” which was prepared for him on a specially equipped computer tablet. President George W. Bush reviewed the highlights of the PDB and often discussed its contents at length with his briefer. President Richard M. Nixon likely didn’t read the PDB, Priess said, but was extensively briefed by his national security adviser, Henry Kissinger.

Trump’s top health officials and advisers were also delivering warnings on the coronavirus through January and February, though their messages at times appeared muddled and contradictory.

On Feb. 25, Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, warned publicly that virus was spreading so rapidly that “we need to be prepared for significant disruption in our lives.”

Trump, traveling in India at the time, was outraged by what he regarded as the alarmist tone of her remarks and their perceived impact on the U.S. stock market.

Two days later, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar testified before a Congressional committee that the risk to the public remained “low,” and that the coronavirus would “look and feel to the American people more like a severe flu season in terms of the interventions and approaches you will see.”

On March 11, with cases surging in New York and the stock market plummeting, Trump declared a national emergency and announced a ban on travel from Europe, which had become the new epicenter of the outbreak.

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« Reply #3338 on: April 27, 2020, 06:49:17 PM »
Australia is doing well in comparison to other countries.

So no specific examples as to why you think Trump is incompetent? Not one.

Well, your nonanswer answers my question and my speculation as to why you have come to this conclusion.

It reminds me when I would ask someone why they think Obama or Clinton was such a good president or why Bush was so bad? And they would just say, "Oh, come on?" As if their belief was such common knowledge that it is ridiculous to even suggest otherwise when the real reason was that they had no reason. Again, I've never known of a case when some had arrived at a conclusion through rigorous reason and contemplation that wasn't willing and eager to share their thought process. Why go through all the trouble but just keep your ideas to yourself? It is never the case when their conclusions are purely based on feelings. It's always just "Oh, come on!" or "I don't need to explain myself" as if the whole world should just take them at their word based on no evidence presented. The fact is they just found Obama and Clinton far more likable than Bush and not based on any tangible evidence. Such as your opinion of Trump and just following and jumping on the anti-Trump bandwagon by what you hear from others, i.e., the vast majority of the MSM.

When I was asked why I thought Hillary was incompetent and too corrupt to be President I cited the tragic handling and resulting deaths in the Benghazi incident and the emails and physically destroying the hard disks. You can disagree with my line of reasoning but it is not based on personal feelings pro or con regarding Hillary but based on actual facts that occurred. Compare that with how Trump reacted to the exact same situation, the EXACT SAME INCIDENT, when the Embassy was attacked in Baghdad. He immediately sent in the Marines and crushed that attack with no American casualties. No pussy-footing around or worrying about what the "International Community" would think, which, of course, they condemned. His concern was for American lives not what it would do to his reputation. And he didn't stopped there but continued to target, and kill, the leaders behind this movement and then accused as being just an assassin.

I remember how Nixon was blasted for being an anti-Semite because of recordings they had of him making racist and anti-Semitic remarks in private. And this is the same President who hired Jews to prominent positions, including Henry Kissinger, and literally saved Israel with military support during the Yom Kippur war. All that they ignored because they wanted just another reason to hate Nixon.

I always try to judge people not so much as what they say or what I think their motivations are since I can't read minds, but always by their actions. Remember when ISIS dominated the news during the Obama era just conquering and conquering at will and it was predicted to drag on for many years if not decades? When Trump took over he took off the gloves and crushed them inside a year. That was huge. Huge. But quickly forgotten, and perhaps never known by most, maybe even you, as it didn't really affect you personally and wasn't really covered in the news or give Trump any credit. It dominated the news daily and all of sudden it was gone. Innocent lives being slaughter for their religion. And they were not slaughtered in a humane way. They may be nobodies to you but they, like you, had parents, brothers, sisters, children, and friends. They weren't just nobodies and could have been saved if the present administration at the time acted more like the cantankerous, crude, impatient, but resolute Trump whose first priority was American lives.

You may not like Trump personally and find him repulsive but if it wasn't for him we would still have more scenes like this:



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« Reply #3339 on: April 28, 2020, 03:42:29 AM »
The Way the U.S. is Counting Wuhan Coronavirus Deaths Seems Problematic
Townhall ^ | 04/08/2020 | Katie Pavlich
Posted on 4/8/2020, 10:00:23 AM by SeekAndFind

During the White House Wuhan coronavirus task force briefing Tuesday evening, Dr. Deborah Birx said the United States has taken a "liberal approach" in the way doctors classify deaths from the virus.

"The intent is right now if someone dies with COVID-19, we're counting that as a COVID-19 death," Birx said. "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let's say the virus caused you to go the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death."

Dr. Birx confirms ALL DEATHS of people infected with coronavirus -- regardless of underlying conditions -- are classified as COVID-19 deaths

I've heard this said before.  If this is really happening on a large scale [and not just rarely, or by accident], then that is definitely problematic.

Another thing to consider:

The COVID deaths we are seeing are deaths from a virus that currently has no vaccine, whereas the deaths from the flu are deaths that would otherwise be much higher if no vaccine existed.  So comparing the death counts of each is not an apples to apples comparison.

That being said, the COVID deaths are also at their current number with large scale lock downs in place, and perhaps the COVID deaths would be significantly higher without said measures.  We won't be able to adequately measure this until more time passes and we have more data to analyze.  I still think this virus is being blown out of proportion.

As far as I can tell, those dying under 70 of this virus generally have preexisting conditions.  I'm not yet convinced that COVID is a major risk for the younger segment of the population, or people who are healthy, with strong immune systems, who are not obese, who do not smoke, etc.

But seriously [back to the original point] - if people who die WITH COVID are all being classified as dying FROM COVID, that is extremely disingenuous, and needs to be accounted for in future analyses of the true mortality rate of this virus.

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« Reply #3340 on: April 28, 2020, 04:21:44 AM »
The flu vaccine is generally about 50% effective.

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« Reply #3341 on: April 28, 2020, 04:59:14 AM »
Can we have less text please.

A lot of people are online during these isolation times and we need to save on bandwith. Try to get your point across in 300 characters or less. Thank you.

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« Reply #3342 on: April 28, 2020, 05:39:07 AM »
So no specific examples as to why you think Trump is incompetent? Not one.

Well, your nonanswer answers my question and my speculation as to why you have come to this conclusion.

It reminds me when I would ask someone why they think Obama or Clinton was such a good president or why Bush was so bad? And they would just say, "Oh, come on?" As if their belief was such common knowledge that it is ridiculous to even suggest otherwise when the real reason was that they had no reason. Again, I've never known of a case when some had arrived at a conclusion through rigorous reason and contemplation that wasn't willing and eager to share their thought process. Why go through all the trouble but just keep your ideas to yourself? It is never the case when their conclusions are purely based on feelings. It's always just "Oh, come on!" or "I don't need to explain myself" as if the whole world should just take them at their word based on no evidence presented. The fact is they just found Obama and Clinton far more likable than Bush and not based on any tangible evidence. Such as your opinion of Trump and just following and jumping on the anti-Trump bandwagon by what you hear from others, i.e., the vast majority of the MSM.

When I was asked why I thought Hillary was incompetent and too corrupt to be President I cited the tragic handling and resulting deaths in the Benghazi incident and the emails and physically destroying the hard disks. You can disagree with my line of reasoning but it is not based on personal feelings pro or con regarding Hillary but based on actual facts that occurred. Compare that with how Trump reacted to the exact same situation, the EXACT SAME INCIDENT, when the Embassy was attacked in Baghdad. He immediately sent in the Marines and crushed that attack with no American casualties. No pussy-footing around or worrying about what the "International Community" would think, which, of course, they condemned. His concern was for American lives not what it would do to his reputation. And he didn't stopped there but continued to target, and kill, the leaders behind this movement and then accused as being just an assassin.

I remember how Nixon was blasted for being an anti-Semite because of recordings they had of him making racist and anti-Semitic remarks in private. And this is the same President who hired Jews to prominent positions, including Henry Kissinger, and literally saved Israel with military support during the Yom Kippur war. All that they ignored because they wanted just another reason to hate Nixon.

I always try to judge people not so much as what they say or what I think their motivations are since I can't read minds, but always by their actions. Remember when ISIS dominated the news during the Obama era just conquering and conquering at will and it was predicted to drag on for many years if not decades? When Trump took over he took off the gloves and crushed them inside a year. That was huge. Huge. But quickly forgotten, and perhaps never known by most, maybe even you, as it didn't really affect you personally and wasn't really covered in the news or give Trump any credit. It dominated the news daily and all of sudden it was gone. Innocent lives being slaughter for their religion. And they were not slaughtered in a humane way. They may be nobodies to you but they, like you, had parents, brothers, sisters, children, and friends. They weren't just nobodies and could have been saved if the present administration at the time acted more like the cantankerous, crude, impatient, but resolute Trump whose first priority was American lives.

You may not like Trump personally and find him repulsive but if it wasn't for him we would still have more scenes like this:



Great post.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3343 on: April 28, 2020, 07:17:45 AM »
What's going on on this thread?

Looks like a "holy wall of text" lovers convention

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3344 on: April 28, 2020, 07:19:10 AM »
No idea what theyre doing, Im reading none of it.

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« Reply #3345 on: April 28, 2020, 07:26:15 AM »

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« Reply #3346 on: April 28, 2020, 07:34:51 AM »
and a link.

just what we need, more links.

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« Reply #3347 on: April 28, 2020, 07:36:05 AM »
and a link.

just what we need, more links.

I posted the thing of joe rogan on youtube - using new website.  Maybe its a glitch. 

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3348 on: April 28, 2020, 07:43:23 AM »
Can we have less text please.

A lot of people are online during these isolation times and we need to save on bandwith. Try to get your point across in 300 characters or less. Thank you.

does this mean you are no longer going to spam the board with dead-end threads and dopy pictures?
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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3349 on: April 28, 2020, 08:11:08 AM »
does this mean you are no longer going to spam the board with dead-end threads and dopy pictures?

Is it me doing this or is this someone else doing this that you think is me? It gets confusing sometimes when people think I am this person or that person