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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #100 on: March 01, 2020, 01:41:02 PM »
This truly is the problem with how to improve the healthcare system. There is no single fix. The current system is not going to go down easily, because the profits are too great for all involved to allow this. Some of us have great health insurance coverage. If there is even a hint we might have to give something up for the good of all, we won't do it lightly and without a fight. Scare tactics like saying, you'll have to wait to see a doctor and the doctor you see will not be your choice or your taxes will sky-rocket in order to pay for universal healthcare, work.

Exactly.

And I don’t have the answer either, but I assume things can improve  by people who are experts in this field.
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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #101 on: March 01, 2020, 01:51:03 PM »
Its corruption boils down to big pharma.

That's because "big" pharma can lobby the government for policies that benefit them. If the government was not involved they would have nobody to enact these policies. They would have to compete for consumer dollars like any other industry or business.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #102 on: March 01, 2020, 02:11:15 PM »
That's because "big" pharma can lobby the government for policies that benefit them. If the government was not involved they would have nobody to enact these policies. They would have to compete for consumer dollars like any other industry or business.

These policies come in the form of regulation that is vital to public safety.  Surely you are not suggesting that the government deregulate pharmaceutical drugs entirely?

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #103 on: March 01, 2020, 02:19:26 PM »
Exactly.

And I don’t have the answer either, but I assume things can improve  by people who are experts in this field.

One hopes that there can be some degree of compassion for those who under the current healthcare systems have no good options.

I was recently prescribed eye drops (Restasis and Lotemax) that run $500 and $265 for a one month supply. If I had to pay full price, I'd definitely not fill them. Fortunately, I found a manufacturer's coupon for Lotemax which pay's all but $60 for three months. My part D insurance provider paid the better part of a 90 supply of Restasis after the doctor wrote a letter justifying my need for it.

Age related vision issues are common. They are not life threatening. People with low or modest incomes likely ignore them and may not even have had them diagnosed since vision insurance doesn't offer great coverage. Much the same is true for dental insurance. I am having a fractured tooth crowned this month. The cost to do this is almost $1,500. My dental insurance only covers preventative care, which this is not according to them. Last month, I had a small chip in one of my front teeth repaired. It ran me $275.

The last few years that my wife was alive but acutely ill, our out of pocket medical expenses ranged between $8,000 and $10,000 a year. This was with Regence MedAdvantage health insurance coverage. Out of pocket costs for non-network dialysis ran us $450 a week. We went with the out of network dialysis because it was located about a mile from our home. In network dialysis was a good half hour drive each way. This meant 4 trips because I wasn't going to hang out at the hospital for an average of 6 hours, three days a week while my wife was hooked up to the machine.

 

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #104 on: March 01, 2020, 02:23:47 PM »
These policies come in the form of regulation that is vital to public safety.  Surely you are not suggesting that the government deregulate pharmaceutical drugs entirely?

No, I am not suggesting that. The pharmaceutical companies do not lobby the government for more regulations. Remember, I am talking about the government providing health care. Something they should not be doing.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #105 on: March 01, 2020, 03:27:29 PM »
You don't have to pay for private medicine.
And they get the shitty public option with long waits.  Why should you have to pay for both?  If Bernie were president after a few years the libs would be crying about how it's not fair the rich get better healthcare so they would either ban it or require the rich and upper middle class pay for everyone's private care as well.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #106 on: March 01, 2020, 03:28:32 PM »
And?
And that's no problem if you're a socialist parasite.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #107 on: March 01, 2020, 03:32:38 PM »
And they get the shitty public option with long waits.  Why should you have to pay for both?  If Bernie were president after a few years the libs would be crying about how it's not fair the rich get better healthcare so they would either ban it or require the rich and upper middle class pay for everyone's private care as well.

People bitch about the government all the time. Say it's corrupt, they don't trust them, waste money... yet, in the same breath they still want to give the government more control over their lives.

I just don't get it.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #108 on: March 01, 2020, 03:39:01 PM »
Let’s be honest. Most doctors are fucking useless. They’re basically pill dispensers. Eventually there will be computer algos to diagnose you with greater accuracy.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #109 on: March 01, 2020, 03:43:46 PM »
People bitch about the government all the time. Say it's corrupt, they don't trust them, waste money... yet, in the same breath they still want to give the government more control over their lives.

I just don't get it.
And these people hate "evil corporations" because they make a profit.  If you don't like a corporation for a product or service there is competition you can go to replace the product or service and any money you give is by choice.  The government forces you to comply and forces you to pay with no recourse.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #110 on: March 02, 2020, 04:27:10 AM »
There is no obvious answer.

However, I don’t get how many people in this thread actually think the US healthcare system does not need reforming. It’s a disgustingly, corrupted system that needs major reforming.

The problem is that no one has a middle ground answer.


No cost controls.

None of the politicians' plans address cost control.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #111 on: March 02, 2020, 05:59:43 AM »
Imagine if your house burned down or you wrecked your car and you didn't have insurance.

You got to have it.  Unless you can afford to self-insure.


Yup. One wrong incident and you’re bankrupt.
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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #112 on: March 02, 2020, 09:38:16 AM »
There is no obvious answer.

However, I don’t get how many people in this thread actually think the US healthcare system does not need reforming. It’s a disgustingly, corrupted system that needs major reforming.

The problem is that no one has a middle ground answer.




We have the best healthcare in the World...BUT it's too expensive..The only way to lower costs is more competition, not less, (like Universal healthcare). The Government is notoriously inificient.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #113 on: March 02, 2020, 11:55:41 AM »


We have the best healthcare in the World...BUT it's too expensive..The only way to lower costs is more competition, not less, (like Universal healthcare). The Government is notoriously inificient.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=661985.msg9358196#msg9358196 -ProudVirgin69

So by the statistics, your "best of the world" health care is globally in 40th place, not number one. 40th from 195 country's, but you are in good company: you are just about at the same level as Chile, Bulgaria, Romania and Lebanon, so you really have a reason to be proud about it. You see, all of those other countries has that filthy and crappy universal health care..So if you live in a wooden hut in Chile, or hut made from camel dung in Lebanon, you get just as good health care you could buy US of A with Really Fking Expensive Price  ;D

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #114 on: March 02, 2020, 12:10:09 PM »
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=661985.msg9358196#msg9358196 -ProudVirgin69

So by the statistics, your "best of the world" health care is globally in 40th place, not number one. 40th from 195 country's, but you are in good company: you are just about at the same level as Chile, Bulgaria, Romania and Lebanon, so you really have a reason to be proud about it. You see, all of those other countries has that filthy and crappy universal health care..So if you live in a wooden hut in Chile, or hut made from camel dung in Lebanon, you get just as good health care you could buy US of A with Really Fking Expensive Price  ;D

Not sure where anyone would get the idea that the U.S. has the best healthcare system in the world. I've never seen anything that supports that. Maybe it is the best in the world for those who can afford one of the 'Cadillac plans'.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #115 on: March 02, 2020, 12:17:03 PM »
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=661985.msg9358196#msg9358196 -ProudVirgin69

So by the statistics, your "best of the world" health care is globally in 40th place, not number one. 40th from 195 country's, but you are in good company: you are just about at the same level as Chile, Bulgaria, Romania and Lebanon, so you really have a reason to be proud about it. You see, all of those other countries has that filthy and crappy universal health care..So if you live in a wooden hut in Chile, or hut made from camel dung in Lebanon, you get just as good health care you could buy US of A with Really Fking Expensive Price  ;D

Ropo, Saudi Arabia ranked 26th in 2019 for best health care in the world.

Would you prefer to have a surgery in Saudi Arabia over the US?

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #116 on: March 02, 2020, 12:24:18 PM »
Ropo, Saudi Arabia ranked 26th in 2019 for best health care in the world.

Would you prefer to have a surgery in Saudi Arabia over the US?

Depends on why they are ranked higher than the U.S. If it isbecause of the quality of healthcare, then yes, I would have surgery in Saudi Arabia over the U.S. if all else was equal.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #117 on: March 02, 2020, 12:26:45 PM »
Depends on why they are ranked higher than the U.S. If it isbecause of the quality of healthcare, then yes, I would have surgery in Saudi Arabia over the U.S. if all else was equal.


You should start looking for economically priced tickets then.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #118 on: March 02, 2020, 12:33:25 PM »
Remind me once again why people who eat right, don’t abuse alcohol or drugs and exercise regularly  should subsidize fat slobs who have never exercised a day in their lives, eat like pigs and abuse alcohol and cigarettes.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #119 on: March 02, 2020, 12:54:55 PM »

You should start looking for economically priced tickets then.

I don't need surgery.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #120 on: March 02, 2020, 12:55:38 PM »
Anything the federal government touches turns to shit...

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #121 on: March 02, 2020, 02:26:23 PM »
Remind me once again why people who eat right, don’t abuse alcohol or drugs and exercise regularly  should subsidize fat slobs who have never exercised a day in their lives, eat like pigs and abuse alcohol and cigarettes.

Yeah, because only obese, alcoholic, nicotine addicts experience health problems. ::)

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #122 on: March 02, 2020, 02:33:44 PM »
Yeah, because only obese, alcoholic, nicotine addicts experience health problems. ::)

? You missed the point of his post.

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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #123 on: March 02, 2020, 02:39:10 PM »
Yeah, because only obese, alcoholic, nicotine addicts experience health problems. ::)

Yeah, and they experience them at the same rates as fit healthy people.


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Re: Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?
« Reply #124 on: March 02, 2020, 05:01:13 PM »
? You missed the point of his post.

No, his point his "but individual responsability...".

New flash: we live in a society.

Yes, some demographics will take a bigger portion of the pie. Does that mean the whole system is broken?

If you think it is, you may as well call for the closing of public schools, since a substantial proportion of the students will drop out.

And while you are at it get rid of fire departments since you'll probably never use it. Why is some random idiot who caused a fire receiving a benefit I paid for?