How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein

[pellius]

Well, who else on Getbig has offered a theory of hypertrophy? I never said one has to keep a muscle sore to grow. What I said was that might be a short cut to rapid growth. It worked for me. Nowadays it isn't so easy to train hard and often enough to get and stay sore and hence, grow rapidly. At best one stays the same which is okay when you are 78 in 10 days.
I have studied the philosophy of science at the graduate level so have some idea about conjectures and refutations. So far no one on Getbig has refuted my theory.
Van B has challenged me often in the past. He has presented nothing new re hypertrophy yet criticises what I present.

Jeeze man, this board is full of people offering their views and theories regarding resistance training.

If Van B criticizes and questions all aspects of training, drugs, and nutrition. It is you Vince that has been saying the same old thing for decades. And to be clear, Van hasn't criticize your views per se, just the way you present it and yourself. He questions your methods as you say it with such certainty though it is devoid of any proof or evidence.

[pellius]

You're not saying that you need to keep a muscle sore to grow but soreness might be a shortcut to rapid growth?

Claiming that a lack of refutation for a theory which you've never elucidated constitutes proof that the never clearly posited theory is correct...well.

Maybe it is correct. It would be nice if you finally told us clearly, plainly, and precisely what this famous theory is.

Actually he does say that you have to keep muscles sore. To train them before they are fully recovered. My beliefs are actually very similar except for this one specific point. I believe a muscle shouldn't be trained unless it is completely recovered. And I proved it with my calves. Not just full recovery but progressive intensity which is the hard and tricky part. Trying to find new ways to increase stress and intensity within the muscle itself. Again, concrete proof.

[Vince B]

Actually he does say that you have to keep muscles sore. To train them before they are fully recovered. My beliefs are actually very similar except for this one specific point. I believe a muscle shouldn't be trained unless it is completely recovered. And I proved it with my calves. Not just full recovery but progressive intensity which is the hard and tricky part. Trying to find new ways to increase stress and intensity within the muscle itself. Again, concrete proof.

I forgot, everyone is an expert on Getbig...even on my theories!

You can grow without getting significant DOMS. However, for more rapid growth then keeping the muscle sore helps. That way you don't encounter the Repeated Bout Effect.

This theory is easy to test but few on Getbig have bothered. They are so convinced about their beliefs that they refuse to accept that someone else might have something to contribute to them.

[Vince B]

Pellius amazed everyone on Ironage with his calves. He wrote as Mark Twain. Now my challenge to Pellius is to try my DOMS method on his arms for one month and see what happens.

[_bruce_]

Fat intake is more important than protein.
Over-con-sumption of latter may be even toxic.

[pellius]

Pellius amazed everyone on Ironage with his calves. He wrote as Mark Twain. Now my challenge to Pellius is to try my DOMS method on his arms for one month and see what happens.

I don't have the will or motivation to get my arms bigger at this point in my life. I have even less motivation to do something to prove your theories. I have a better idea, why don't YOU try your own method for a month and see what happens? I mean, don't you think you have more of an incentive than I do? Don't you think you will have more "quality control" for lack of a better term to insure the procedures performed properly. If I do the experiment and it is not successful you can always claim that I didn't eat enough, I didn't really train according to prescribed protocol, didn't get enough sleep, didn't supinate.

[Vince B]

I don't have the will or motivation to get my arms bigger at this point in my life. I have even less motivation to do something to prove your theories. I have a better idea, why don't YOU try your own method for a month and see what happens? I mean, don't you think you have more of an incentive than I do? Don't you think you will have more "quality control" for lack of a better term to insure the procedures performed properly. If I do the experiment and it is not successful you can always claim that I didn't eat enough, I didn't really train according to prescribed protocol, didn't get enough sleep, didn't supinate.

Don't throw the towel in so fast. One of my beliefs is hypertrophy can be beneficial in old age. My triceps are bigger now and stronger than when I was in my prime in the seventies. How about that?

Instead of destroying your body through martial arts build yourself up and impress everyone. Put an inch on your arms and I will buy you all you can eat at McDonalds!

[AbrahamG]

Don't throw the towel in so fast. One of my beliefs is hypertrophy can be beneficial in old age. My triceps are bigger now and stronger than when I was in my prime in the seventies. How about that?

Instead of destroying your body through martial arts build yourself up and impress everyone. Put an inch on your arms and I will buy you all you can eat at McDonalds!

Do you presently have any safety fat on your stubby, little cock?

[Vince B]

Do you presently have any safety fat on your stubby, little cock?

Post of the year! You forgot to add...NO HOMO!

[pellius]

Don't throw the towel in so fast. One of my beliefs is hypertrophy can be beneficial in old age. My triceps are bigger now and stronger than when I was in my prime in the seventies. How about that?

Instead of destroying your body through martial arts build yourself up and impress everyone. Put an inch on your arms and I will buy you all you can eat at McDonalds!

I can say the same to you. Do the experiment yourself. It's just arms FFS. Limit it to just biceps. A tiny muscle group.

Nothing impresses GetBig.

[Vince B]

I can say the same to you. Do the experiment yourself. It's just arms FFS. Limit it to just biceps. A tiny muscle group.

Nothing impresses GetBig.

I have been training arms for a while now. Trouble is I end up training once a week. I keep telling myself I am going to train twice a week but I put the second workout off. I procrastinate. Why? Well my workouts are quite heavy and I am up to doing that heavy lifting only once a week. That isn't sufficient for more hypertrophy. So I have been staying the same for the last 9 months or so. Arms around 18 inches but seldom over. I tore my right biceps in 1977 doing a 510 pound deadlift so I can't train biceps that heavy.
I might set up a few of my calf machines and have a go with calves. I am sure I can train them more frequently. I have 6 calf machines. I made 5 of them plus a Cybex standing heel raise.

[Humble Narcissist]

I have trained arms only for the last couple months using a program similar to what you advised years ago and have made good gains.  Surprisingly, the rest of the body has not changed much, if any at all.

[bigbychoices]

                                       Hey in the first pic of you and the other homeless guy i gotta ask. Where is your sign you both have been holding?  You know the one that says "homeless and hungry. please help".  Also you show a pic of what appears to be a polio victim  and then a pic of someones calf ( with no face )  How many years was it between pictures? No date ?  From now on when you want to try to show people use something with a current date on it like a newspaper or something and also show your face so people can say ok thats the dweeb who thinks he knows it all. I have said my piece on this and now im done. I wont post on this post again nor will i read it. So go ahead keep on wasting your time. 

[LurkerNoMore]

I have posted pics of myself on the beach. I was never bald. I often cut my hair short especially when I was with the DOD as my division worked closely with the military.

During my kick-ass anti-Communist days during the Reagan/Bush years I always wore a crew cut.

Ok, that looks familiar

[pellius]

                                       Hey in the first pic of you and the other homeless guy i gotta ask. Where is your sign you both have been holding?  You know the one that says "homeless and hungry. please help".  Also you show a pic of what appears to be a polio victim  and then a pic of someones calf ( with no face )  How many years was it between pictures? No date ?  From now on when you want to try to show people use something with a current date on it like a newspaper or something and also show your face so people can say ok thats the dweeb who thinks he knows it all. I have said my piece on this and now im done. I wont post on this post again nor will i read it. So go ahead keep on wasting your time.

Dear God! You really have no idea how dumb you sound and how dumb you are! There are many years between those pics. That's the point dumb dumb. That I was able to bring up my calves, a muscle group few can improve upon, something you've never done and couldn't do, by using the principles of Jones and Mentzer. And again you just can't believe it's me and every pic has to be full length face pic with a newspaper. The irony coming from someone who is too ashamed and cowardly to post a pic himself. A fat phag that hides behind a computer screen like the cowardly little bitch you are. The classic pussified modern male that is killing this country.

Vince, do you see what kind of morons I have to deal with? The kind of morons we all have to put up with? People so dumb that they really have no idea how dumb they are. And he keeps saying how he is done but can't help himself and keeps coming back for more abuse. It is just getting sad now.

But at least I taught him how to use upper case letters at the start of a sentence. This guy is in his mid fifties and finally he learned something the rest of us did in the first grade.

[IroNat]

I have posted pics of myself on the beach. I was never bald. I often cut my hair short especially when I was with the DOD as my division worked closely with the military.

During my kick-ass anti-Communist days during the Reagan/Bush years I always wore a crew cut.

 

You should go back to that look. No homo.

[El Diablo Blanco]

16 almonds a day is all you need. No more, no less.

[Teutonic Knight 1]

And where do you actually get a DNA Sport Test, the cost, and what will it tell me? I don't, and never really cared, about what body fat percentage, body weight, or height someone claims or I claim. If you look like a short fatso then you're a short fatso and whatever numbers you claim is meaningless

In some Honolulu/Hilo sports institute !?. Local costs ?.

They go into bone density & many other details, trainings,lenghts of trainings, body chemicals  ) etc.

Local GP knows zilch about modern sports medicine or yours DNA testing .

I was tested at the Australian Sports Institute in Canberra !.

Gene doping is the future !.

[pellius]

You should go back to that look. No homo.

I would if I could go back a few decades.

[robcguns]

16 almonds a day is all you need. No more, no less.

Fuck, Ive been eating 13 a day for months.Will add 3 to hit 16 now.

[AbrahamG]

Fuck, Ive been eating 13 a day for months.Will add 3 to hit 16 now.

I would up it to 19 per day for the same amount of time you'd been doing 13.  Then drop down to 16.

[Henda]

I have posted pics of myself on the beach. I was never bald. I often cut my hair short especially when I was with the DOD as my division worked closely with the military.

During my kick-ass anti-Communist days during the Reagan/Bush years I always wore a crew cut.

 

Look awesome with that haircut mate, should Still wear it like that

[pellius]

Look awesome with that haircut mate, should Still wear it like that

That's an old pic when I was with Raytheon Missile Systems. I was about 20 pounds heavier back then. Those were the days when I was competing in BJJ and Submission Wrestling and trained like a maniac all the time. Just compare neck size. I have a pencil neck now.
 
I'm sixty years old now and there is no way I can keep the pace I did back in those days. Now it's just trying to avoid having a heart attack and getting a decent boner.

[Henda]

That's an old pic when I was with Raytheon Missile Systems. I was about 20 pounds heavier back then. Those were the days when I was competing in BJJ and Submission Wrestling and trained like a maniac all the time. Just compare neck size. I have a pencil neck now.
 
I'm sixty years old now and there is no way I can keep the pace I did back in those days. Now it's just trying to avoid having a heart attack and getting a decent boner.

I didn’t know you were 60 mate I knew you were older than you look but I thought Very early 50s, What you doing is working mate.

[Henda]

On the original post subject best thing I did (for lifestyle reasons not physique) was stop giving a shit about protein, it’s a fucking ball ache having to worry about how much protein is in shit and basing meals around getting enough in, I understand if training for competition ect this is important but for just training and enjoying life fuck that, typical work day for me is nothing for breakfast, couple of sandwiches and a few bags of crisps for dinner then whatever the mrs makes for tea, I’ll drink a few pints of whole milk and snack on crisps over the evening and sometimes Have a few bits of toast before bed but only once or twice a week, this is enough to sustain training and working a very physical job