Ohearn says slow steady cardio for fat loss calories high

[ThisisOverload]

It is impossible for a natural to be lean while carrying a lot of muscle.

I guess it depends on what is considered lean. To me, being 10-12% BF is pretty lean and IMO obtainable year round. It's the sub-10% that takes effort and if you're natural it's challenging. I do believe that it's hard to gain muscle as a natural if you aren't eating enough, so it's a fair statement.

Even on a decent amount of gear, it's hard for me to maintain 7-8% for more than a few months.

[Humble Narcissist]

I guess it depends on what is considered lean. To me, being 10-12% BF is pretty lean and IMO obtainable year round. It's the sub-10% that takes effort and if you're natural it's challenging. I do believe that it's hard to gain muscle as a natural if you aren't eating enough, so it's a fair statement.

Even on a decent amount of gear, it's hard for me to maintain 7-8% for more than a few months.

10-12% is ideal.

[TheGrinch]

I guess it depends on what is considered lean. To me, being 10-12% BF is pretty lean and IMO obtainable year round. It's the sub-10% that takes effort and if you're natural it's challenging. I do believe that it's hard to gain muscle as a natural if you aren't eating enough, so it's a fair statement.

Even on a decent amount of gear, it's hard for me to maintain 7-8% for more than a few months.

So calories in vs calories out or Macros?

[Van_Bilderass]

You are leaving out factual data proving HIIT burns far more fat on the days post session. Only high intensity cardio does this, steady state just burns so many cals per session performed. I thought you knew this stuff its old now. My boy fukkenshredded pioneered HIIT for the fitness community 20 years ago.

Sure I know about it, EPOC and all that. There's also the argument that EPOC is fairly minor in fact and not worth calculating, but I don't remember the specifics so could be wrong.

I'm only saying that the idea that to burn fat you need to do low intensity cardio, otherwise it pretty much JUST burns carbs is incorrect. For example the faster you walk on the treadmill the more fat you burn, it's only the ratio of fat to carbs burned that changes. I remember Bob Chicherillo saying anything more than 3.5mph for 45 minutes just catabolizes muscle... ridiculous.

Cardio is good for body composition but if you know how many calories you burn it's a lot of work for fairly small effects. Easier to cut down on food intake. Not to mention cardio will increase appetite so if you don't track strictly you will probably not lose much fat/weight.

This guy told me he did up to 9 hours of cardio/walking for his first show here lol. And Bob Chick says you burn muscle after 45 minutes. Not saying 9 hours is smart but this fella never got into this kind of condition since, doing the usual hour a day or whatever.

[pamith]

O'Hearn can get extremely ripped while still being pretty strong, and he is natty

[Humble Narcissist]

It really makes no sense to over consume calories for muscle gain only to need large amounts of cardio to burn the extra calories off.  Just eat less food.

[joswift]

It really makes no sense to over consume calories for muscle gain only to need large amounts of cardio to burn the extra calories off.  Just eat less food.

I remember Sevs last outing, trying to eat 5000 cals whilst doing 3 hours of cardio
Fucks sake just eat 3000 cals and watch a couple of movies..FFS

[Hypertrophy]

O'Hearn is completely right (Gasp!)

I track my calorie burn and power output while cycling using a powermeter. On sprint days I'll do 6 sprints of 10-20 seconds long with about 3 min rest between- just riding easy. The calorie burn is on the order of 250 kcal- which is nothing. On my endurance rides of a few hours (about 60-70% of max pulse), my calorie burn approaches 1200+. So do the math.

The post exercise calorie burn, btw, is negligible on my sprint days. After an hour or less I feel it turn off (using a pulse oximeter, I see my resting pulse go back to the 50's and my SPO2 drop to resting levels).

[Humble Narcissist]

I remember Sevs last outing, trying to eat 5000 cals whilst doing 3 hours of cardio
Fucks sake just eat 3000 cals and watch a couple of movies..FFS

  I have asked him on facebook to come back here.  We need his wisdom.

[ThisisOverload]

So calories in vs calories out or Macros?

For me personally, i just track approximate calories and avoid eating too many carbs. When i want to lose fat i'll drop calories to ~2000 per day and slowly remove some carbs until i get where i want to be, sometimes i go below 1500 cals per day and maybe 100g of carbs. But i typically don't eat many carbs anyway. I've been doing this for over 20 years, so i have a feel for what works for me. Also depends on if i'm taking T3, you can get away with a lot on 100mcg per day.

For a natural or someone new to the game, i would recommend tracking macros just so you understand what exactly you're eating. A lot of people are surprised how many carbs they eat each day once they track it. You don't need a ton of carbs.

Thankfully i don't have a sweet tooth, in fact i like salty foods more than sweet. So avoiding carbs is pretty easy.

[ThisisOverload]

I remember Sevs last outing, trying to eat 5000 cals whilst doing 3 hours of cardio
Fucks sake just eat 3000 cals and watch a couple of movies..FFS

The leanest i've ever been i did zero cardio. Just intermittent fasting down to 1500 calories a day and a little GH/T3.

People make this more difficult than it needs to be.

[joswift]

The leanest i've ever been i did zero cardio. Just intermittent fasting down to 1500 calories a day and a little GH/T3.

People make this more difficult than it needs to be.

Easiest way to diet for me was earlier this year, I went carnivore only eating meat, dairy and eggs.
Got in shape without even trying, added carbs about three months ago so I could hopefully add some size, just ended up fat and shitty looking.
 back carnivore as of this week.

[Mr Anabolic]

Easiest way to diet for me was earlier this year, I went carnivore only eating meat, dairy and eggs.
Got in shape without even trying, added carbs about three months ago so I could hopefully add some size, just ended up fat and shitty looking.
 back carnivore as of this week.

What type and how many carbs were you eating?  Maybe you added too many carbs.  You were probably very sensitive since you've been doing no carb for so long.  Lots of sub-Q water too.

[The Keto Kid]

Just add more volume to your weight training, take less time between sets. This is how they did it in the 70s.

[IroNat]

Remove the roids, GH and his toupe and let's see how he looks.

You forgot the botox.

[IroNat]

Is Mike O'Tren stronger than Morgan Aste?

He's definitley better looking.  No homo.

[IroNat]

Just add more volume to your weight training, take less time between sets. This is how they did it in the 70s.

They ate very low carb too.

[TheOne]

This O’hearn you speak of, is that the retard that fell off the stage? 

[IroNat]

This O’hearn you speak of, is that the retard that fell off the stage? 

The same.

[ThisisOverload]

Easiest way to diet for me was earlier this year, I went carnivore only eating meat, dairy and eggs.
Got in shape without even trying, added carbs about three months ago so I could hopefully add some size, just ended up fat and shitty looking.
 back carnivore as of this week.

I might have to try that. I heard Joe Rogan did something similar.

I have a lot of deer meat in the freezer. Eggs are no problem, i can eat them anytime.

[bigbychoices]

Actually we as humans were designed to eat fats and proteins. With very little carbs. We do not need them in any capacity. Thats why the fda has not issued a percentage or amount ( everything else they do vitamins minerals fats etc but not carbs)   .We ( many years ago) walked everywhere worked hard etc. We would only eat fruits or whatever if we had nothing else to eat (walking long didtances  etc) we were not designed to live on fruits and vegs and SUGARS. We killed an animal we ate the fat and protein. There is a reason they go together. every notice carbs do not come naturally with fats or proteins( there is some in dairy but not enough to overtake the good)?  Dont beleive the experts and the stupid food pyrimade ( that was actually designed to help a congressmans friend sell more grains  look it up) So yes just meat eggs and some dairy if you want. give it a try the first few days are usually hard on people but once you get thru it its a cake walk. lol

[joswift]

What type and how many carbs were you eating?  Maybe you added too many carbs.  You were probably very sensitive since you've been doing no carb for so long.  Lots of sub-Q water too.

Just added too many carbs, was previously on around 80-100gms from yoghurt and dairy

its way too easy to overeat on carbs, I tend not to count anything because I cant be arsed.
Carnivore is easy because you dont need to, just eat when you are hungry and eat until you are full

[GymnJuice]

Is Mike O'Tren stronger than Morgan Aste?

Impressive scalp striations.  Obviously obtained via slow, steady, targeted cardio through endless neck extensions and bridges.

[TheGrinch]

The leanest i've ever been i did zero cardio. Just intermittent fasting down to 1500 calories a day and a little GH/T3.

People make this more difficult than it needs to be.

You don't find at 1500 calories or less your metabolism slows and thus fat loss?

Everyone I've seen prep keeps lowering calories to the point their bodies go into starvation mode and halt fat loss completely

[joswift]

Impressive scalp striations.  Obviously obtained via slow, steady, targeted cardio through endless neck extensions and bridges.

depth on the leg press at 17 mins
Fucks sake