building the better mousetrap=the bicep board.

[BB]

The dumbbell version -

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[Vince B]

There's this fella named Chris Beardsley. Vince, I think this guy would be to your liking, check him out. Exactly the type of content I think you appreciate. Anyway, IIRC, he says research says triceps in particular do not experience stretch mediated growth, unlike other muscles such as quadriceps. So the stretch component in exercises isn't that important for triceps.

https://instagram.com/chrisabeardsley?igshid=1j7nzau0q50dg

https://shor.by/sandcresearch

Thanks for the links. I will read his articles. The movement as illustrated above is the best triceps exercise I have used.

[Johnholmes]

Thanks for the links. I will read his articles. The movement as illustrated above is the best triceps exercise I have used.

silly old fool

[Vince B]

Vince,

I tried something similar many turns ago, based on your recommendation actually.  I didn't have the adjustable side pads, but the overall set-up was nearly identical.

I found getting into the starting position was extremely difficult, and potentially dangerous, even with a weight I could do for 15+ strict reps. 

How do you address that limitation?  After a set to failure, returning the weight to the stack isn't a very natural or safe movement, either.

you could sarcastically brand me yet another "expert" (a learned man such as you *do* recognize that as an Ad Homenim, yes?), but my issues with the exercise stand on their own merit.  If I wanted to really cream the long triceps head, I would instead probably perform seated overhead triceps extensions on a dedicated machine or with an EZ curl bar.  Some, like Ell Darden, swear by two-handed overhead DB extensions, but those never worked for me:  once you're even the least bit strong, the dumbbell will be so big as to scrape your upper traps and neck in the lower half of the stroke.

I think that, with only a few exceptions, most very good bench pressers I've known or know of had some of the biggest triceps in the strength training world.  Most of them did assistance work in various forms.  Ted Arcidi swore by the BNP.  Blakely loves the JM Press.  Eder was a super powerful dip guy.  Other very strong pressers have endorsed the close-grip and/or Barbarians' reverse-grip press.

What do they have in common?

Bench pressing strength, obviously, but also great strength in their ancillary stuff, most of which consists of compound/multi-joint exercises.

Some might protest and dismiss all that; "those guys were all loaded!," they bleat.  So were the Dillets, Vince Taylors, Matarrazzos (sp?) and umpteen number of dudes who used isolation moves and pumping training.

I am not so naive as to suggest a golden mean, but I do think the most proven *exercises* for big triceps is far from a cold case.  How you implement them in terms of frequency, sets, reps and the overall loading paradigm is a different story...

There is a safe way to do the lying triceps extension exercise. Select the weight you want then kneel with both knees on the pad. Keep the handle out in front with your arms straight. Now lean into the pads until your elbows are past the end of the pads. Never let the elbows rub against the pads during the exercise...you have to avoid damaging the connective sheath that crosses the joint. If you finish a rep with arms straight then keep them extended and reverse the motion to return the weight to the stack.

[Johnholmes]

There is a safe way to do the lying triceps extension exercise. Select the weight you want then kneel with both knees on the pad. Keep the handle out in front with your arms straight. Now lean into the pads until your elbows are past the end of the pads. Never let the elbows rub against the pads during the exercise...you have to avoid damaging the connective sheath that crosses the joint. If you finish a rep with arms straight then keep them extended and reverse the motion to return the weight to the stack.

Larry scott used these. you are just a silly old fool trying to invent the wheel.
which champion trained with your machines? did they develop massive biceps & horseshoe triceps?
Ranting on here for years about your Bullshit machines.

[joswift]

spot the difference

[Johnholmes]

The only man you can really say who made his own machines was Joe Gold. Champions loved his machines. Even his Dumbbell handles were unique

[wes]

 

[Johnholmes]

Exactly the bicep has a simple function.

[Never1AShow]

fuck me you have wasted a great part of your life fucking about with these machines

the muscle pulls in a staright line from its points of origin, simply stress the muscle through a range of motion and it will respond, it has no idea if its a rope , a bar or a machine thats putting the stress on it.

If you could hold on to magnets, they could be different shapes and grip sizes.  You could also arrange the magnetic field to stress the parts of the range of motion that you most wanted to emphasize.  This is what I've been waiting for.

[The Scott]

Sir

I am interested in purchasing one of your 'Scott' Benches - does it come a special, magical diet?  And maybe some hard to swallow amino tablets?   

Your sincerely
Mr Sucker
(born yesterday)

LOL!!!!

[The Scott]

prime

I...I...I...Can't breathe!  Laughter is kil...ling me!   

[AbrahamG]

prime

To my friend Prime, I am sorry but I can't stop laughing at this.

[Vince B]

spot the difference

You are coming across as a dumbbell here.

[Vince B]

Exactly the bicep has a simple function.

Not simple at all. Why? The biceps has three functions. It moves in three degrees of freedom. I built the only machine that gives resistance in two degrees of freedom. Even Arthur Jones failed to do that. Flexion, supination, and lifting the arm towards the shoulder.

https://healthyliving.azcentral.com/functions-biceps-16081.html

[The Scott]

You are coming across as a dumbbell here.

It's not rocket science, Vince.  Weider tried to make appear that only the "genetically gifted" could go all the way,  he just conveniently left out the truth.

It's the drugs.   So now, take the drugs, stuff your gaping maw, lift the weights and become so fooking lazy that you proclaim yourself to be the pec goddess and the foot buddha.   You had an excellent build but apparently you didn't want to risk your health so...You went as far as you could. 

I have spoken with a few of the so-called "golden age" bodybuilders when they were in their prime.  Some of them worked for a living, the rest sold themselves to the lowest common denominator.  You did not do that.  Good for you.

So grow the fuck up and quit demanding respect for your theories of hypertrophy or whatever it is.  Man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upwards.  You have done better than many and worse than a few.   Do not sully the present and the future with your lamentations over an unfulfilling past.

I'm not smart.  But you?  You are being ridiculous.  Your choice, ace.

[Vince B]

It's not rocket science, Vince.  Weider tried to make appear that only the "genetically gifted" could go all the way,  he just conveniently left out the truth.

It's the drugs.   So now, take the drugs, stuff your gaping maw, lift the weights and become so fooking lazy that you proclaim yourself to be the pec goddess and the foot buddha.   You had an excellent build but apparently you didn't want to risk your health so...You went as far as you could. 

I have spoken with a few of the so-called "golden age" bodybuilders when they were in their prime.  Some of them worked for a living, the rest sold themselves to the lowest common denominator.  You did not do that.  Good for you.

So grow the fuck up and quit demanding respect for your theories of hypertrophy or whatever it is.  Man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upwards.  You have done better than many and worse than a few.   Do not sully the present and the future with your lamentations over an unfulfilling past.

I'm not smart.  But you?  You are being ridiculous.  Your choice, ace.

If you are current with the literature in exercise science you would know that it is probably more difficult that rocket science. Physiology is complex and so is hypertrophy.

Sure, drugs have changed bodybuilding forever. However, there is still natural bodybuilding and that is worth contributing to and promoting. We are discussing exercise apparatus and

machines. There has been a steady evolution and advancement in gym equipment. It is not that easy to come up with something original. Most bodybuilders invent zero. Even the

smart ones. Joe Gold designed, improved and built some effective gym equipment. Vince Gironda had some primitive but mostly effective equipment. Arthur Jones stands out as a

creative genius with the Nautilus and Medx lines. I contributed some new machines in Australia. I had 4 companies copy some of my designs. I "sold" my leg press design to Titan Gym

Equipment in Adelaide. Allan Maynard, the owner, failed to pay the $5000 price because the accountant was out of town! Arthur Jones said he would rather work with criminals than

gym owners!

[Vince B]

Here is why the overhead extension is not as effective as my triceps machine. Bodybuilders always cheat when the resistance increases. So the elbows spread out, the shoulders rise up and so on. My apparatus limits the elbows moving out. Doing the movement standing will allow all manner of 'cheating' which reduces the effectiveness. Having the body rigid and the arms limited in rotation is required for concentrating the force to the triceps alone.

[Henda]

Here is why the overhead extension is not as effective as my triceps machine. Bodybuilders always cheat when the resistance increases. So the elbows spread out, the shoulders rise up and so on. My apparatus limits the elbows moving out. Doing the movement standing will allow all manner of 'cheating' which reduces the effectiveness. Having the body rigid and the arms limited in rotation is required for concentrating the force to the triceps alone.

Keeping elbows tucked actually cause the triceps to work less optimally
https://www.instagram.com/p/CF5WVaEj5c2/

[joswift]

Here is why the overhead extension is not as effective as my triceps machine. Bodybuilders always cheat when the resistance increases. So the elbows spread out, the shoulders rise up and so on. My apparatus limits the elbows moving out. Doing the movement standing will allow all manner of 'cheating' which reduces the effectiveness. Having the body rigid and the arms limited in rotation is required for concentrating the force to the triceps alone.

but just lets assume for argument that someone knows this and simply doesnt cheat?
They do full strict movements through a full range of motion, fucks sake, the movement is exactly the same.

[Teutonic Knight]

Dips on Vince GIRONDA 'V' station kills all other machinery ......................

[Vince B]

Dips on Vince GIRONDA 'V' station kills all other machinery ......................

My apologies...I forgot that everyone is an expert here on Getbig!

[Johnholmes]

My apologies...I forgot that everyone is an expert here on Getbig!

Give it a rest Pops. you got your blue stars after winging for years on here  so just be happy with that.

[Johnholmes]

itīs like when i hear people talking about building a peak  Robby Robinson peaks 
sure i can jerk my cock from different angles but the end result is the same. i blow my load. why should a bicep be any different ?

[Vince B]

itīs like when i hear people talking about building a peak  Robby Robinson peaks 
sure i can jerk my cock from different angles but the end result is the same. i blow my load. why should a bicep be any different ?

What a complete ninecompoop you are.