RIP John Meadows

[Flexacon]

And with meadows he was a ticking time bomb, heart attack last year, blood clots, yeah, we didn’t see this coming…

He mentioned in a recent video that he has some kinda test due at some point later this month, so we should know more. 

I hope he isn't just burying his head in the sand over all this. Nice guy, but strong candidate to just drop dead in the middle of a workout.

[Royalty]

And with meadows he was a ticking time bomb, heart attack last year, blood clots, yeah, we didn’t see this coming…

I don’t know much about Meadows, but apparently he had some sort of intestinal health scare in the early 2000’s. I would not be surprised if steroids played a role in that ailment.


Remember how Flex Wheeler and Michael Francois developed colitis after they became pro bodybuilders?

I know several people that developed colitis AFTER they started using steroids.

[pellius]

Maybe. Maybe not. I, too, hope the boys are provided for.  My critique has more to do with the pattern one often sees in gofundme drives: the moving target.  If the target is $100k and it is exceeded by any amount that is laudable, and I probably would not comment on that.  But raising the target every time you get close to meeting it smacks of chicanery.  Most GFM drives are trying to raise money to meet a specified need… to pay a specific bill(s).  If the target keeps moving then the message is ‘we want to milk all the suckers we can for as long as we can.’  An open ended fundraising effort that is not tied to any specific expense is, on some level, illegitimate.

I do not know anything about this family, but I do know something of human behavior.  When money falls into your lap that you did not earn you spend it one way… when you earn the money, you spend it very differently.  I hope the funds are placed in trust for the kids and is off limits until they are, say, over 25 or out of college.

An aside: a very good friend of mine had a sister who won a $20+ million dollar lottery.  Shortly after winning the money she died.  She had four kids: two were total losers; the other two were only slightly better.  When she died she left the slightly better kids about $75k each.  She left the losers about $50k each.  She left the bulk of the money to her brother (who had his own money btw).  In no time at all the kids burned through the money and came knocking on the Uncle’s door asking for cash. “We want our mother’s money!”  Eventually, they accused him of stealing “their” money.  He reminded them that their mom gave them the money she wanted them to have, and he kindly reminded them that they have no claim on the money left to him by his sister.  As a gesture, he told them that if they wanted to go to school or buy a house he would pay for that.  None of them were interested in either of those things.  They wanted the cash—so they could burn through it again.  He said no.  They sued him twice to get the money and lost both times.

I really doubt that people donating care or even pay attention to the "goal" . If it was kept at $100,000 they would still donate. You really think they would say, "Oh, the goal has already been met. No use donating." Someone that they truly loved is gone and they want in some way to express their appreciation to the type of man he was.

[Taffin]

Nearly quarter of a mil now...

[honest]

How do you know he didn't slow down the drugs? Do you know for a fact he went against doctors advice and was blasting major drugs and that his body was starved of oxygen as a consequence? How could he train at all if he was in such a bad way?

Because he's dead, What the guy did last twelve months doesn't matter, he would have sealed his fate well before that point, . Your body forgives less and less as you age, doing high dosages in your late 30s and 40s cuts lifespan. Respect to the guy as he lived life on his terms. The actual comment was meant as no disrespect to him or the others mentioned, that would be hypocritical I too once pushed that envelope all be it at a younger age 20s and accept that i too have created some issues for myself to manage health wise as I age.

[honest]

He was Irish and that was his skintone dumbass

Okay camera man, have a look at the photos posted in the thread pf John on stage, does that look like your average Connor McGregor or leprechaun. No disrespect was meant to him. You think with that look his BP was 120 /80. The guys passing is a tragedy but also a reminder to many of us to try and manage ourselves and bodies as we age or something similar could happen to us. Pushing the envelope is a young mans game.

[ProudVirgin69]

This was one of the "healthy" bodybuilding guys too, right?  Grass fed butter and all that ....

[Royalty]

This was one of the "healthy" bodybuilding guys too, right?  Grass fed butter and all that ....

Grass-fed this, Organic that...    blah, blah, blah

[IroNat]

This was one of the "healthy" bodybuilding guys too, right?  Grass fed butter and all that ....

Homemade yogurt?

[BayGBM]

This was one of the "healthy" bodybuilding guys too, right?  Grass fed butter and all that ....

Yep.

[Taffin]

Homemade yogurt?

Green tea enemas..?  (a la PeeWee Braun)

[Taffin]

This was one of the "healthy" bodybuilding guys too, right?  Grass fed butter and all that ....

Ban grass-fed butter

[Van_Bilderass]

Because he's dead, What the guy did last twelve months doesn't matter, he would have sealed his fate well before that point, . Your body forgives less and less as you age, doing high dosages in your late 30s and 40s cuts lifespan. Respect to the guy as he lived life on his terms. The actual comment was meant as no disrespect to him or the others mentioned, that would be hypocritical I too once pushed that envelope all be it at a younger age 20s and accept that i too have created some issues for myself to manage health wise as I age.

I agree with all you said here. My only issue was with the assumption he was going against doctor's orders and common sense, taking big risks with drugs. I think he said he was off GH for a couple of years and only on a true TRT regimen. Maybe he should have stopped weight lifting alltogether and gone hypogonadal, who knows, but my guess is that he was just basically unlucky, meaning the blood clot maybe didn't have to do with poor choices on his part. If that is what it was.

Regarding how he looked, I don't know if you can say he for sure had high BP all the time just because he looked kind of rough or that his blood was like sludge. He supposedly kept tabs on those things.

There was some speculation by some that the initial heart issues were perhaps related to recent heavy Nolvadex use. It's suspected to sometimes cause blood clots. Sometimes the ancillaries, ironically taken to reduce steroid side effects, are more dangerous than the actual roids.

[Humble Narcissist]

This was one of the "healthy" bodybuilding guys too, right?  Grass fed butter and all that ....

All that organic stuff is just overpriced crap.

[IroNat]

All that organic stuff is just overpriced crap.

[Rambone]

Grass-fed this, Organic that...    blah, blah, blah

Don’t forget the sourdough bread

[honest]

I agree with all you said here. My only issue was with the assumption he was going against doctor's orders and common sense, taking big risks with drugs. I think he said he was off GH for a couple of years and only on a true TRT regimen. Maybe he should have stopped weight lifting alltogether and gone hypogonadal, who knows, but my guess is that he was just basically unlucky, meaning the blood clot maybe didn't have to do with poor choices on his part. If that is what it was.

Regarding how he looked, I don't know if you can say he for sure had high BP all the time just because he looked kind of rough or that his blood was like sludge. He supposedly kept tabs on those things.

There was some speculation by some that the initial heart issues were perhaps related to recent heavy Nolvadex use. It's suspected to sometimes cause blood clots. Sometimes the ancillaries, ironically taken to reduce steroid side effects, are more dangerous than the actual roids.

My doctor will never give me any anti oestrogen as part of my TRT, its to hard on HDL, believes including it in ongoing therapy just hardens the arteries prematurely due to its effect on HDL, he also venesections me every three months and im on 100mg every 7-10 days, 20 or more years ago i was like many taking a hell of a lot more and not being monitored at all. My HDL or good cholesterol is extremity sensitive to dosage, no doubt i did some damage, i stopped once i made the decision to not to pursue bodybuilding competitively furrter, did ten years clean with low test issues from no doubt exogenous use the previous decade, and the last ten cycling TRT on and off.
Heavy use at a later age to me is madness, but bodybuilding can be a form of addiction for many, i always try to encourage people to stay balanced in your approach as where you dont it can effect lifespan negatively in some cases.

[Rambone]

My doctor will never give me any anti oestrogen as part of my TRT, its to hard on HDL, believes including it in ongoing therapy just hardens the arteries prematurely due to its effect on HDL, he also venesections me every three months and im on 100mg every 7-10 days, 20 or more years ago i was like many taking a hell of a lot more and not being monitored at all. My HDL or good cholesterol is extremity sensitive to dosage, no doubt i did some damage, i stopped once i made the decision to not to pursue bodybuilding competitively furrter, did ten years clean with low test issues from no doubt exogenous use the previous decade, and the last ten cycling TRT on and off.
Heavy use at a later age to me is madness, but bodybuilding can be a form of addiction for many, i always try to encourage people to stay balanced in your approach as where you dont it can effect lifespan negatively in some cases.

Sound advice right there. I liked John, but in one of his videos, he said TRT for him was 500mg. Insanity. Anything 200mg or more is too much. I had an SHBG of 70 and 160mg was more than enough free test (30ng/dl before injection day), and I eventually lowered the dose and started donating blood because of hematocrit.

[Taffin]

Sound advice right there. I liked John, but in one of his videos, he said TRT for him was 500mg. Insanity. Anything 200mg or more is too much. I had an SHBG of 70 and 160mg was more than enough free test (30ng/dl before injection day), and I eventually lowered the dose and started donating blood because of hematocrit.

Sheesh - and of course, that level would not be prescribed by his Doctor, so he's self 'medicating' at this point

I don't suppose he mentioned what with..?  Is it usually cypionate?  I'll confess to not knowing much about HRT, but as I get older I'm getting more and more intredasted for some reason 

[GymnJuice]

I agree with all you said here. My only issue was with the assumption he was going against doctor's orders and common sense, taking big risks with drugs. I think he said he was off GH for a couple of years and only on a true TRT regimen. Maybe he should have stopped weight lifting alltogether and gone hypogonadal, who knows, but my guess is that he was just basically unlucky, meaning the blood clot maybe didn't have to do with poor choices on his part. If that is what it was.

Regarding how he looked, I don't know if you can say he for sure had high BP all the time just because he looked kind of rough or that his blood was like sludge. He supposedly kept tabs on those things.

There was some speculation by some that the initial heart issues were perhaps related to recent heavy Nolvadex use. It's suspected to sometimes cause blood clots. Sometimes the ancillaries, ironically taken to reduce steroid side effects, are more dangerous than the actual roids.

If he had that strong of a family history he might have accelerated his disease process with the drugs but they might not have actually 'caused' the issue.  It's all speculation.

[Royalty]

Sheesh - and of course, that level would not be prescribed by his Doctor, so he's self 'medicating' at this point

I don't suppose he mentioned what with..?  Is it usually cypionate?  I'll confess to not knowing much about HRT, but as I get older I'm getting more and more intredasted for some reason 

Abuse

[The Keto Kid]

My doctor will never give me any anti oestrogen as part of my TRT, its to hard on HDL, believes including it in ongoing therapy just hardens the arteries prematurely due to its effect on HDL, he also venesections me every three months and im on 100mg every 7-10 days, 20 or more years ago i was like many taking a hell of a lot more and not being monitored at all. My HDL or good cholesterol is extremity sensitive to dosage, no doubt i did some damage, i stopped once i made the decision to not to pursue bodybuilding competitively furrter, did ten years clean with low test issues from no doubt exogenous use the previous decade, and the last ten cycling TRT on and off.
Heavy use at a later age to me is madness, but bodybuilding can be a form of addiction for many, i always try to encourage people to stay balanced in your approach as where you dont it can effect lifespan negatively in some cases.

Aromasin is a lot better on ldl than arimidex, many can be on trt and depending on genetics not convert much to estrogen, some not so fortunate.

[Van_Bilderass]

Sound advice right there. I liked John, but in one of his videos, he said TRT for him was 500mg. Insanity. Anything 200mg or more is too much. I had an SHBG of 70 and 160mg was more than enough free test (30ng/dl before injection day), and I eventually lowered the dose and started donating blood because of hematocrit.

Sheesh - and of course, that level would not be prescribed by his Doctor, so he's self 'medicating' at this point

I don't suppose he mentioned what with..?  Is it usually cypionate?  I'll confess to not knowing much about HRT, but as I get older I'm getting more and more intredasted for some reason 

You sure he said 500mg after his heart attack? I'm almost positive he didn't say that? I want to say it was 100mg, maybe 200mg for a while but he didn't say 500mg anywhere from what I saw. You could tell his heart issues had him rattled, I mean part of his heart was dead and not moving.

Aromasin is a lot better on ldl than arimidex, many can be on trt and depending on genetics not convert much to estrogen, some not so fortunate.

Nolvadex isn't an aromatase inhibitor, it's actually an estrogen so it doesn't affect cholesterol the same as an AI. But it does possibly have that blood clot side.

From what I gather estrogen is actually protective of the CV system and more and more HRT docs don't touch it, let it go as high as it does naturally. Estrogen is good.

Speaking of high dosages when you get older, I have a good friend who is 57 years old and his baseline self-administred HRT (lol) is 1,000mg. Then he adds stuff cyclically. Say 600mg of Deca or a  gram of EQ, or a couple of Anadrols or all of these at the same time. He just told me he got off Anadrol - had been on for over a year. His hematocrit did run high but otherwise his blood work has been ok. But this isn't safe of course.

[Rambone]

You sure he said 500mg after his heart attack? I'm almost positive he didn't say that? I want to say it was 100mg, maybe 200mg for a while but he didn't say 500mg anywhere from what I saw. You could tell his heart issues had him rattled, I mean part of his heart was dead and not moving.
Nolvadex isn't an aromatase inhibitor, it's actually an estrogen so it doesn't affect cholesterol the same as an AI. But it does possibly have that blood clot side.

From what I gather estrogen is actually protective of the CV system and more and more HRT docs don't touch it, let it go as high as it does naturally. Estrogen is good.

Speaking of high dosages when you get older, I have a good friend who is 57 years old and his baseline self-administred HRT (lol) is 1,000mg. Then he adds stuff cyclically. Say 600mg of Deca or a  gram of EQ, or a couple of Anadrols or all of these at the same time. He just told me he got off Anadrol - had been on for over a year. His hematocrit did run high but otherwise his blood work has been ok. But this isn't safe of course.

I didn’t say it was after his heart attack. I probably saw the video 2 years ago. Heart attack or not, 500mg TRT when you’re in your late 40’s isn’t wise. He wasn’t maintaining 20 inch arms at nearly 50 on 100-200 mg a week. That’s for sure.

[BBSSchlemiel]

You sure he said 500mg after his heart attack? I'm almost positive he didn't say that? I want to say it was 100mg, maybe 200mg for a while but he didn't say 500mg anywhere from what I saw. You could tell his heart issues had him rattled, I mean part of his heart was dead and not moving.
Nolvadex isn't an aromatase inhibitor, it's actually an estrogen so it doesn't affect cholesterol the same as an AI. But it does possibly have that blood clot side.

From what I gather estrogen is actually protective of the CV system and more and more HRT docs don't touch it, let it go as high as it does naturally. Estrogen is good.

Speaking of high dosages when you get older, I have a good friend who is 57 years old and his baseline self-administred HRT (lol) is 1,000mg. Then he adds stuff cyclically. Say 600mg of Deca or a  gram of EQ, or a couple of Anadrols or all of these at the same time. He just told me he got off Anadrol - had been on for over a year. His hematocrit did run high but otherwise his blood work has been ok. But this isn't safe of course.

Is your friend Danta?