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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #375 on: January 27, 2026, 02:19:04 PM »

YES - just doing what you always do when you  reply  😊  👍🏻

Yes - just doing what you always do when you reply. If I do it, I learned it from you.

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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #376 on: January 27, 2026, 02:25:19 PM »
Yes - just doing what you always do when you reply. If I do it, I learned it from you.


Pathetic & lame reply.
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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #377 on: January 27, 2026, 02:30:34 PM »

Pathetic & lame reply.
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As is yours.

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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #378 on: January 27, 2026, 02:37:25 PM »
As is yours.


Ahhh yes of course  ::)  Not very good at coming up with your own
Original replies, you have to nigh on copy mine.

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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #379 on: January 27, 2026, 03:00:29 PM »

Ahhh yes of course  ::)  Not very good at coming up with your own
Original replies, you have to nigh on copy mine.

Copying your replies is less of a waste of my time.

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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #380 on: January 27, 2026, 03:46:47 PM »
What are you babbling about?

Providing you with facts and logic. I would like to help you with philosophy as well. PM if interested.

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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #381 on: January 27, 2026, 04:04:19 PM »
Honest questions:

How does a study like this guarantee all participants are given the drug during the "early stage window" which is hypothesized when Ivermectin's viral disrupting mechanism is effective?

Was the dosage consistent across all these studies?  I have read where the dosages were suboptimal in certain cases.

Do you put any validity into real world evidence provide by doctors who treated thousands of patients successfully utilizing ivermectin and other methods - steroids, etc?

Ivermectin has one the best safety profiles in terms of risk.  Why were pharmacies not filling scripts for it even before all these studies were done?  It's a "free shot", and doctors are supposed to try off label uses when other remedies are failing.

So this study isn't really a study, its a meta analysis which is a pooling of all the relevant studies, so basically everything that has been properly researched.

the type of studies were using the same methodology which found ivermectin to be effective as  an anti-parasite medication amongst some other applications. The same method used to show its efficacy vs parasites has been found to show it's inefficacy against viruses. This would make sense of course as these invaders have different replication, agency, replication etc just like an antibiotic doesn't really help virus's.. you can't take penicillin for hiv.

This review is a special type thogh, its the pinnacle of meta analysis for several reasons, one being its very stringent on inclusion criteria and statistical methods used, its more thorough.

The dosage changes, as they do in all studies.


I do put validity into real world application, however, I am very aware of bias and placebo. Placebo can cause massive changes, it's that strong. It can alter stress hormones, immunological function, subjective wellness etc.. it appears when they control for this stuff in the studies, the real benefit of ivermectin is no better than placebo. That's the real benefit of studies like this, if you aren't a science guy, they control independent variables (like placebo by blinding etc), age, dosage to make sure the dependent variable (the actual efficacy of ivermectin) is clear. Even the best of studies can't completely control for things. That's where stats come in. Using statistical analysis studies usually have an alpha level of .01 or .05. What this means is using this mathematical formula the chance of getting the result you got, say ivermectin does work, would be a false positive at a 1 percent or 5 percent rate.

So you can say its highly likely this result, ivermectin works is true and it wasn't something we didnt control like the weather etc. Then you do 25 more studies and if you get the same result consistently your odds go up until its pretty much certain you measured what you think you measured. So in a field where suggestion causes monstrous changes on outcome, in fact like no other field (as we have a mind-body connection) real world results are actually less reliable then science. Vs a craft like carpentry- no amount of belief that wall is level will make it so.

To your last point. There are risks with using off label things in people. Say that person has covid, you give him ivermectin (which I agree is quite safe) he dies (because covid not ivermectin) you just opened yourself up to a malpractice lawsuit and loss of license. So in the absence of evidence even if its safe it's not standard care. That would be the pragmatic answer.

I wish it did work, it would be easy, way fucking cheaper then way pfizer has and a long history to bank on.




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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #382 on: January 27, 2026, 07:44:31 PM »
So this study isn't really a study, its a meta analysis which is a pooling of all the relevant studies, so basically everything that has been properly researched.

the type of studies were using the same methodology which found ivermectin to be effective as  an anti-parasite medication amongst some other applications. The same method used to show its efficacy vs parasites has been found to show it's inefficacy against viruses. This would make sense of course as these invaders have different replication, agency, replication etc just like an antibiotic doesn't really help virus's.. you can't take penicillin for hiv.

This review is a special type thogh, its the pinnacle of meta analysis for several reasons, one being its very stringent on inclusion criteria and statistical methods used, its more thorough.

The dosage changes, as they do in all studies.

I understood this was an aggregate of studies for sure.  That's what led me to believe there would not be consistency between all of them.  But I legit don't know, hence the question.  I'm still not sure how it could be, or how they got everyone during "the window".......seems impossible.

I do put validity into real world application, however, I am very aware of bias and placebo. Placebo can cause massive changes, it's that strong. It can alter stress hormones, immunological function, subjective wellness etc.. it appears when they control for this stuff in the studies, the real benefit of ivermectin is no better than placebo. That's the real benefit of studies like this, if you aren't a science guy, they control independent variables (like placebo by blinding etc), age, dosage to make sure the dependent variable (the actual efficacy of ivermectin) is clear. Even the best of studies can't completely control for things. That's where stats come in. Using statistical analysis studies usually have an alpha level of .01 or .05. What this means is using this mathematical formula the chance of getting the result you got, say ivermectin does work, would be a false positive at a 1 percent or 5 percent rate.

100% agree on placebo

I was referring to docs who used Ivermectin in large sample sizes and had success/survival rates above the norm.  I don't doubt the studies, however I cannot dismiss this.  I think there needs to be more research.  And, mind you, I'm not this huge "ivermectin surely works" guy, because how the fuck would I know.  I just know there are plenty of real doctors who swear the opposite, and they don't have an agenda.

So you can say its highly likely this result, ivermectin works is true and it wasn't something we didnt control like the weather etc. Then you do 25 more studies and if you get the same result consistently your odds go up until its pretty much certain you measured what you think you measured. So in a field where suggestion causes monstrous changes on outcome, in fact like no other field (as we have a mind-body connection) real world results are actually less reliable then science. Vs a craft like carpentry- no amount of belief that wall is level will make it so.

There are always studies that contradict studies.  And there are studies funded by certain entities to get the results they paid for.  It's why I put no stock in anyone who says "studies show" and don't provide links.  What you posted does seem to be a reasonable sample but like I said earlier, there are plenty of legit docs who say otherwise.


To your last point. There are risks with using off label things in people. Say that person has covid, you give him ivermectin (which I agree is quite safe) he dies (because covid not ivermectin) you just opened yourself up to a malpractice lawsuit and loss of license. So in the absence of evidence even if its safe it's not standard care. That would be the pragmatic answer.

I wish it did work, it would be easy, way fucking cheaper then way pfizer has and a long history to bank on.

Doctors take an oath to provide care at all costs to save a patient.  Fear of lawsuit for use of ivermectin goes against that.

Regardless, pharmacists had no right to deny a doctor prescribing it, and that actually happened.

And that's not why it was vilified.  It was vilified because they needed emergency use exception, and the government really wanted everyone to take the vaccine.
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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #383 on: January 27, 2026, 09:16:02 PM »
This is fucked up. The Biden administration made up a law and sued this Doctor for $580 BILLION

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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #384 on: January 27, 2026, 09:17:17 PM »
Providing you with facts and logic. I would like to help you with philosophy as well. PM if interested.

I'm open-minded and always willing to learn, even from trolls like you.  I will let you know if and when that happens.

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« Reply #385 on: January 28, 2026, 04:38:24 AM »
I'm open-minded and always willing to learn, even from trolls like you.  I will let you know if and when that happens.


You are not, I know you think you are but you aren't. It's a major flaw.

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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #386 on: January 28, 2026, 06:26:37 AM »

You are not, I know you think you are but you aren't. It's a major flaw.
LOL hypocrite ;D
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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #387 on: January 28, 2026, 06:30:04 AM »
LOL hypocrite ;D


Yep - that's so funny coming from The Canadian Pronoun Boy.

China virus 19 is alive & well running rampant in his mind.

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« Reply #388 on: January 28, 2026, 12:38:20 PM »
LOL hypocrite ;D

Right?  The next thing you know he's going to claim he's not a leftist and doesn't have TDS. 

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« Reply #389 on: January 28, 2026, 12:40:24 PM »
Look at you boys flocking together like a pack of rabid dogs.

I offered kind, grandfatherly advice to the young man.

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« Reply #390 on: January 28, 2026, 02:14:41 PM »
Look at you boys flocking together like a pack of rabid dogs.

I offered kind, grandfatherly advice to the young man.
Enjoy shithole Canada, Negro!
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« Reply #391 on: January 28, 2026, 03:55:41 PM »
Enjoy shithole Canada, Negro!

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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #392 on: January 28, 2026, 06:12:40 PM »
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« Reply #393 on: Today at 06:28:35 AM »
I understood this was an aggregate of studies for sure.  That's what led me to believe there would not be consistency between all of them.  But I legit don't know, hence the question.  I'm still not sure how it could be, or how they got everyone during "the window".......seems impossible.


They ensure it using mathematics, statistical analysis.



100% agree on placebo

I was referring to docs who used Ivermectin in large sample sizes and had success/survival rates above the norm.  I don't doubt the studies, however I cannot dismiss this.  I think there needs to be more research.  And, mind you, I'm not this huge "ivermectin surely works" guy, because how the fuck would I know.  I just know there are plenty of real doctors who swear the opposite, and they don't have an agenda.

ya but the groups in this scenario would be prone to bias and to heterogeneity. Basically if the sample is multiple people with no previous conditions and mostly 21 it would be highly skewed , the survival rate this is. I think the issue here, meant in no disrespect, if your lack of knoweldge of study methodology and statistics. These are relevant questions you are asking which are prescisely what studies set out to control for and have done so for a very long time


There are always studies that contradict studies.  And there are studies funded by certain entities to get the results they paid for.  It's why I put no stock in anyone who says "studies show" and don't provide links.  What you posted does seem to be a reasonable sample but like I said earlier, there are plenty of legit docs who say otherwise.

There are different types of studies, retrospective, in vitro vs in vivo, longitudinal, RCT etc each has strengths and drawbacks, which are well known. Experts in the field know this and adjust claims based on the data's strength. I am not sure the studies funding has a huge impact, not in the way you think. Numerous pharma companies loose billions on drugs after the studies paid for by them fail to show benefit. there are overwatch groups (nothings perfect) and falsified studies would be a death blow to the company and to the people conducting the studies. To me this is tantamount to conspiracy theory


.Doctors take an oath to provide care at all costs to save a patient.  Fear of lawsuit for use of ivermectin goes against that.

doctors take an oath to do no harm, using an unproven medication in a sick person vs not is avoiding potential harm for unknown benefits. That's not logical. Might as well try blood letting. You first don't do harm to the patient which includes not using meds based off of vibes

Regardless, pharmacists had no right to deny a doctor prescribing it, and that actually happened.

They do if there is contraindications, they cannot dispense medications that could cause harm

And that's not why it was vilified.  It was vilified because they needed emergency use exception, and the government really wanted everyone to take the vaccine.

It doesn't have any evidence for efficacy, people can buy it and use it if they like and did. Vaccines are proven effective and have been around or a long time. They were simultaneously trialing anti-virals, they were looking at all avenues


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Re: The Covid Emergency is Over
« Reply #394 on: Today at 06:40:40 AM »
I don't have to take a long enough crap to read all this. What countries were these studies conducted in?
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They ensure it using mathematics, statistical analysis.




So please explain this.  I do not know how studies work, but I'm pretty good with the math.

If you're simply saying the larger the sample size, the more statistically probable it becomes, I'm not sure I'm buying it in case of ensuring the "window" was hit.

I'm also aware of the fuckery involved with absolute v relative risk that is utilized by drug companies and the media to skew things, so I'm curious to see how this works.


And one more - I was not suggesting those funding studies are falsifying anything.  But studies can be set up in a way to produce a desired result.  For exampe, if the study uses a dose of a drug that is too low, they can claim their study showed no effect........then someone comes along and says "the drug had no effect".......but it might at a different dose, timing of administrations, etc
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« Reply #396 on: Today at 06:55:09 AM »


And one more - I was not suggesting those funding studies are falsifying anything. 
I am and anyone that claims otherwise is out of their fucking mind.
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« Reply #397 on: Today at 07:14:27 AM »
I don't have to take a long enough crap to read all this. What countries were these studies conducted in?

Such a weird question.

all over the world.

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« Reply #398 on: Today at 07:15:44 AM »
I am and anyone that claims otherwise is out of their fucking mind.

It would be easy to spot though, you dont think there are people who's job it is to review this stuff?

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« Reply #399 on: Today at 07:22:41 AM »
So please explain this.  I do not know how studies work, but I'm pretty good with the math.

If you're simply saying the larger the sample size, the more statistically probable it becomes, I'm not sure I'm buying it in case of ensuring the "window" was hit.

I'm also aware of the fuckery involved with absolute v relative risk that is utilized by drug companies and the media to skew things, so I'm curious to see how this works.


And one more - I was not suggesting those funding studies are falsifying anything.  But studies can be set up in a way to produce a desired result.  For exampe, if the study uses a dose of a drug that is too low, they can claim their study showed no effect........then someone comes along and says "the drug had no effect".......but it might at a different dose, timing of administrations, etc

For consistency and to reduce or explain heterogeneity, things like sub-group analysis, meta-regression, sensitivity analysis,random effects model etc are used for the actual variable its things such as Tau2 and I2 amongst other. Other methods such as linear regression analysis help tease apart multiple variables intrastudy. There are many others and many I don't understand as I am in medicine not a PHD or statistician so we are at the limit of my understanding at this point.

As for the window, what exactly do you mean when you say that?

As for your last point, any good discussion section of a study would highlight that. They are supposed to discuss the limits of the study, possible errors they made, things that should be studied, possible confounders etc.  So they would say, the dosage may have been to low or the trial period to short. Another study would build on that until positive results (if any are found). Once found they then have to replicate and continue the process.