Russia has penetrated Ukraine

[Humble Narcissist]

War mongering politicians/bankers & their paid for media on both sides are phycopathic parasites, this is the premise of literally every resource war - self-serving politicians sending other peoples sons to their death, for them and their elite friends to profit off. Hopefully Karma does catch up with them.

The sunken cost for the Ukraine war is tragic, because in the end it's all been for nothing - all parties have lost, Zelensky has been a total and utter disaster for the Ukrainian people.

This is what's busy happening: Trump is not interested in continuing support for Ukraine. Putin & Trump are busy prepare this war’s end. Ukraine collapse is unstoppable and will end as a neutral territory, Russia will not cave to NATO, Russia will anex the 4 oblasts maybe more if the war continues. Zelensky is doomed.

I'm not pro Russia or China, they're run by dictators that opress their people, Fuck them. But how many times did NATO/US poke the bear and not take Russia's countless broken red lines & warnings to back off seriously. The US has the Munro doctrine for the same reason - to warn other countries from backing of it's western territory (look what happened to Cuba when the USSR placed missiles there).

This was all so predictable in Real world politics - which is NOT fair or just in reality. The fact is any small country (be it Ukraine, Taiwan or Cuba) situated right next to any great power (US, Rus, China) is not free to make it's own decisions, independant or sovereign.

I can't blame anyone for the cognitive dissonance they are experiencing now. People that been conned by war mongering media and the Liberal political class for thinking Ukraine could do as it pleased and become part of NATO. In what world! That's as far-fetched as Mexico or Canada thinking they'd be free to do as they please and allow Russian or the Chinese to have their military bases there. The US would NEVER  allow that to happen. Mexico or Canada would be invaded by the US in an instant!

The End.

F.Y.I.  I'm not a Russia Bot

Great post! The average Ukrainian would have been better off had Russia taken over in 3 days like planned at the start. The only change in their lives would have been the flag flying over the capitol building.

[honest]

You must feel bit conflicted Ron, British troops on the ground to help Ukraine, how does that sit with you or is it okay as long as its not in your country.

Trump has just put forward the only way this war ends and they all oppose it, $40 billion missing off US taxpayers money that Zelensky can't account for but why are we talking about that. Why because Trump respects his taxpayers even after $80m billion and $20 billion plus from Europe they have only contained the Russian advance or limited it to a crawl. The entire might of the western World against one country with an economy on scale with the best performing US Staes is holding out why, because they don't want NATO on their doorstep. At least in Ukraine where they gave it independence to only see it being overthrown by a CIA led uprising to install a western puppet in Zelensky. Their independence was guaranteed until that point only. The Soviets built all the infrastructure including the entire nuclear power system. Fancy them not wanting the west to come in and exploit the country and its resources like they have pretty much everywhere else.

They should have kept looking right and resisted the western interference, if they had read the room they would still have their country, they didn't, this was always going to happen.

Like the other sensible commentator Im not a Russian bot im a person who doesn't like that common people die in wars whilst elites profit, nothing more.

[Agnostic007]

I was shocked today when I opened up AP news and BBC news apps and learned Ukraine started the Ukraine Russia war. Trump wouldn't lie... so it's truth. Totally blew my mind.

[BigRo]

You must feel bit conflicted Ron, British troops on the ground to help Ukraine, how does that sit with you or is it okay as long as its not in your country.

Trump has just put forward the only way this war ends and they all oppose it, $40 billion missing off US taxpayers money that Zelensky can't account for but why are we talking about that. Why because Trump respects his taxpayers even after $80m billion and $20 billion plus from Europe they have only contained the Russian advance or limited it to a crawl. The entire might of the western World against one country with an economy on scale with the best performing US Staes is holding out why, because they don't want NATO on their doorstep. At least in Ukraine where they gave it independence to only see it being overthrown by a CIA led uprising to install a western puppet in Zelensky. Their independence was guaranteed until that point only. The Soviets built all the infrastructure including the entire nuclear power system. Fancy them not wanting the west to come in and exploit the country and its resources like they have pretty much everywhere else.

They should have kept looking right and resisted the western interference, if they had read the room they would still have their country, they didn't, this was always going to happen.

Like the other sensible commentator Im not a Russian bot im a person who doesn't like that common people die in wars whilst elites profit, nothing more.

Ireland runs peacekeeping operations, if I were a soldier I would not mind doing so in Ukraine. As long as its Ukraine you are OK with it being thrown under the bus, that it should concede to Putins every demand, which it seems is what the Donald is going right now, telling blatant lies about who started the war.

[BigRo]

I was shocked today when I opened up AP news and BBC news apps and learned Ukraine started the Ukraine Russia war. Trump wouldn't lie... so it's truth. Totally blew my mind.

Yes they started it by resisting an invading force instead of capitulating 

[Donny]

Yes they started it by resisting an invading force instead of capitulating 

Yes Ro the Ukranians are such swell guys 

[BigRo]

Yes Ro the Ukranians are such swell guys 

Swell because they wont accept to live under Russias boot any longer. Should the Scots have accepted English dominion and repression or are they swell precisely because they fought the fuck back?

[Donny]

Swell because they wont accept to live under Russias boot any longer. Should the Scots have accepted English dominion and repression or are they swell precisely because they fought the fuck back?

The Ukraine is as corrupt as they come, obviously you want to paint them out to be poor down trodden people. read their history

Collaboration

There was significant collaboration between the Ukrainians and the Nazis throughout the occupation of the Ukraine and the Holocaust.

Ukrainian police actively collaborated with the Einsatzgruppen in the murder of the Jewish people. Some served as camp or ghetto guards, others helped to round up Jews, and others participated in shooting them.

Civilians also collaborated with the Nazis, either through committing antisemitic attacks of their own, or by joining one of the paramilitary services. Examples of this collaboration can be seen in the Lvov Pogroms , where 7000 Jews were murdered, and many other were raped and beaten by Ukrainian nationalists.

Many Ukrainians were antisemitic prior to the Holocaust and the Nazis actively encouraged and expanded this feeling, often blaming acts of war, such as arson or mass shootings, on Jews.

[Super Nattie]

[BigRo]

The Ukraine is as corrupt as they come, obviously you want to paint them out to be poor down trodden people. read their history

Collaboration

There was significant collaboration between the Ukrainians and the Nazis throughout the occupation of the Ukraine and the Holocaust.

Ukrainian police actively collaborated with the Einsatzgruppen in the murder of the Jewish people. Some served as camp or ghetto guards, others helped to round up Jews, and others participated in shooting them.

Civilians also collaborated with the Nazis, either through committing antisemitic attacks of their own, or by joining one of the paramilitary services. Examples of this collaboration can be seen in the Lvov Pogroms , where 7000 Jews were murdered, and many other were raped and beaten by Ukrainian nationalists.

Many Ukrainians were antisemitic prior to the Holocaust and the Nazis actively encouraged and expanded this feeling, often blaming acts of war, such as arson or mass shootings, on Jews.

Ukraine was a part of Russia/Soviet Union during the Second World War and Germany was at war with Russia so I don't quite understand how this was possible, I am not denying it, I know Ukrainian soldiers committed atrocities in Poland as part of the Russian Army. Anyway today Ukraine has a Jewish president and one need not look further than Bucha and Irpin to see who the nazis are in Ukraine today.

[1Patrick]

I’ve remember seeing video Zelen being invited to Sofia and disrespecting Bulgarian president in front of entire cabinet .He should have  been bitch  slapped right there and send back to his shit hole.
Coming to my house ,asking for help and not understanding that Bulgaria is nowhere near rich such as Western EU .F him.Hand outs are over and I only feel bad for really poor Ukrainians who never saw a penny from those billions .

[IroNat]

Ro,
No reason you can't join the Uke army and go to Ukraine to fight the Russian barbarian horde.

[honest]

Ukraine was a part of Russia/Soviet Union during the Second World War and Germany was at war with Russia so I don't quite understand how this was possible, I am not denying it, I know Ukrainian soldiers committed atrocities in Poland as part of the Russian Army. Anyway today Ukraine has a Jewish president and one need not look further than Bucha and Irpin to see who the nazis are in Ukraine today.

Continued NATO expansion in complete violation of terms given to Gorbachev after the break up of the soviet union caused this war, Putin armed the border and asked Biden to guarantee no NATO expansion into Ukraine, he confirmed that future membership was on the table and therefore he invaded.  NATO expansion is an act of aggression not defence, you are now starting to see and hear why the CIA overthrew the government and put the comedian in, basically  due to the their resources as I have told you previously,the resources stood to go to Russian interests, after CIA intervention, American and European. No one gives a shit about Ukraine both sides just want to exploit the country for its resources.
Now Trump will exclude the woke Europeans and do a deal with Putin for the minerals and gas. End of story if the eurofags stand up they will just extend an unwinnable war where Putin will ultimately just take more and more of the country. None of us at least the non left see Russia and China as the enemy, our enemy and greatest threats are our own governments not China and Russia. they are the ones filling our countries with migrants who hate us and confusing our children and teaching them to hate their own skin colour or be guilty for things that they have not done.

Trump Vance and Musk are doing what's required, hopefully they can save the entire western world from the sabotage of the left. And in. doing so they will demonstrate enough to China and Russia that we are a force again to be reckoned with. Im sure currently they are frightened by having to fight the most diverse inclusive armies in the world, 

[1Patrick]

Continued NATO expansion in complete violation of terms given to Gorbachev after the break up of the soviet union caused this war, Putin armed the border and asked Biden to guarantee no NATO expansion into Ukraine, he confirmed that future membership was on the table and therefore he invaded.  NATO expansion is an act of aggression not defence, you are now starting to see and hear why the CIA overthrew the government and put the comedian in, basically  due to the their resources as I have told you previously,the resources stood to go to Russian interests, after CIA intervention, American and European. No one gives a shit about Ukraine both sides just want to exploit the country for its resources.
Now Trump will exclude the woke Europeans and do a deal with Putin for the minerals and gas. End of story if the eurofags stand up they will just extend an unwinnable war where Putin will ultimately just take more and more of the country. None of us at least the non left see Russia and China as the enemy, our enemy and greatest threats are our own governments not China and Russia. they are the ones filling our countries with migrants who hate us and confusing our children and teaching them to hate their own skin colour or be guilty for things that they have not done.

Trump Vance and Musk are doing what's required, hopefully they can save the entire western world from the sabotage of the left. And in. doing so they will demonstrate enough to China and Russia that we are a force again to be reckoned with. Im sure currently they are frightened by having to fight the most diverse inclusive armies in the world, 

Pretty much this.
If any western country with a half brain needs immigrants just take the Ukrainians  and legalize them ,they will work and will obey the rules.Are they perfect immigrants?? No one is ,but I would feel 200% safer with them than with those cannibals  from shit places .
Send muzzies and Africans to Ukraine for Trump /Putin to dig for the oil and minerals .
Reason why Poland took 2 mil.Ukrainians and not one cannibal is obvious .

[BigRo]

https://www.csis.org/analysis/where-missing-100-billion-us-aid-ukraine

Ro,
No reason you can't join the Uke army and go to Ukraine to fight the Russian barbarian horde.

It would be the international foreign Legion, no thanks.

[IroNat]

https://www.csis.org/analysis/where-missing-100-billion-us-aid-ukraine

It would be the international foreign Legion, no thanks.

Your girlfriend would be so proud if you went to save her homeland.

[BigRo]

Your girlfriend would be so proud if you went to save her homeland.

Do you think America should have not came to the aid of the allies in world war two? Do all you who laugh at native Ukrainians and foreigners defending a countries right to sovereignty also laugh at your ancestors who fought and died for what was right?

Countries independently ask to join Nato, why? Because of the threat of Russian reconquest. Nato does not expand like a colonizing empire. So many agreements have been broken by Russia, the Budapest memorandum, the Minsk agreements etc Russia does not care a jot for international rules of law. Instead of less Nato now Russia has even more because of its actions with Finland and Sweden joining.

Trumps desire to be seen as the great peace maker and get a noble prize for his work is fueling him to hand a victory to Russia, bowing to every Russian demand. He calls Zelensky a dictator and ignores that Putin has kept himself in power for a small lifetime, he bullies little Zelensky then when the jack russell snaps back saying he is under the influence of Russian disinformation he can't tolerate it and gets irate. I thought Trump narrowly missed that bullet for a noble purpose, but so far the signs are not good internationally, peace through handing Putin victory is no peace at all, he won't stop there.

[joswift]

Do you think America should have not came to the aid of the allies in world war two? Do all you who laugh at native Ukrainians and foreigners defending a countries right to sovereignty also laugh at your ancestors who fought and died for what was right?

Countries independently ask to join Nato, why? Because of the threat of Russian reconquest. Nato does not expand like a colonizing empire. So many agreements have been broken by Russia, the Budapest memorandum, the Minsk agreements etc Russia does not care a jot for international rules of law. Instead of less Nato now Russia has even more because of its actions with Finland and Sweden joining.

Trumps desire to be seen as the great peace maker and get a noble prize for his work is fueling him to hand a victory to Russia, bowing to every Russian demand. He calls Zelensky a dictator and ignores that Putin has kept himself in power for a small lifetime, he bullies little Zelensky then when the jack russell snaps back saying he is under the influence of Russian disinformation he can't tolerate it and gets irate. I thought Trump narrowly missed that bullet for a noble purpose, but so far the signs are not good internationally, peace through handing Putin victory is no peace at all, he won't stop there.

Nato countries before (light blue) and after (darker blue) 1992

Looks like expansion and encroachment to me..

[BigRo]

All those countries in the brighter blue were very afraid of what would probably be happening today if it were not for being in Nato, Nato does not expand ambitiously, given Ukraines plight in trying to join that should be evident.

[IroNat]

All those countries in the brighter blue were very afraid of what would probably be happening today if it were not for being in Nato, Nato does not expand ambitiously, given Ukraines plight in trying to join that should be evident.

Respectfully, Ro, you don't know what you are talking about.

[chaos]

Is BigRokrainian still upset about Russias pentration?

[1Patrick]

Respectfully, Ro, you don't know what you are talking about.

I think OAK kidnapped Ro and has his log in info.

[Van_Bilderass]

Crazy recent posts by Trump about Zelensky, where is the diplomacy?
Lots of 'honest exaggerations,' typical of Trump, now HALF of 350 billion sent by the US to Ukraine has gone missing, Zelensky's approval rating is 4% and I thought the best part was "I personally like Zelensky" after insulting him in pretty personal terms And I see Zelensky met with Trump just now, after all these personal insults, what a circus. Some think there's more than meets the eye wrt Trump's maneuvers, you shouldn't take anything he says literally, there's a method to the madness, he's a very sophisticated thinker actually. It remains to be seen how things end up

I don't see things in black and white, after all Trump has previously sent weapons to Ukraine, and was involved in the approval of aid to Ukraine a while back, plus he hasn't even shut down aid and weapons deliveries to Ukraine going on at this very moment, so there's some hypocrisy involved and responsibility about what the US stance towards Russia has been. And Rubio and others have been war hawks against Russia in the past, now doing a 180, but they are somewhat responsible to where we're at now. Of course the Russians say all the time that they can't take the US at its word considering the past e.g. the broken promise of NATO not expanding eastward by some US president, I forget who. It was a verbal promise I think but others have pointed out US presidents have made deals with Russians only on a handshake and a verbal promise, for example by JFK during the Cuban missile crisis reeportedly.

Just some thoughts 

[Humble Narcissist]

Nato countries before (light blue) and after (darker blue) 1992

Looks like expansion and encroachment to me..

Just a little bit.

[Super Nattie]

Art of the Deal 

If most British people aren’t even willing to die for their own country what makes the Uk Government think they’ll die for Ukraine.

Starmer can send his own kids and the Islamic army he is importing to go fight for his buddy Larry Fink & BlackRock.