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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2022, 03:12:23 AM »
He was a cop which probably means no one would hire him as an accountant. He went to Grambling State which is the equivalent to graduating 3rd grade for most people.

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2022, 04:29:23 AM »



Basically, you're claiming that, simply because Ronnie went about his business and didn't bug anybody (even though he eventually started beating the Levrones, Wheelers, Rays, and El Sonbatys of the world...costing them Sandows and prize money), they kept his not-so-secret-secret.....a secret.

Chris Cormier would have at least one ASC title under his belt, were it not for Coleman's breaking tradition and competing in that show as the reigning Mr. O. You'd think there'd be a bone or two to pick there.


At the end of the day, it boils down to how big (do you think) Ronnie was BEFORE he started taking anabolics. I'm just not of the belief that he was a crackhead (i.e. Chris Rock's "Pookie" character from New Jack City) and started his syringes the instant he picked up a cement-filled weight.


I'm fully aware people try to beat drug testing, sometimes successfully. But that leads back to a question I asked earlier on different threads: With pro cards being as rare (especially compared with today) as they were, why wouldn't some of the other heavyweights try their luck at the Universe, if the steroid tests are so easy to beat? Unless, I'm mistaken, Ronnie is the only one who took the test to go the U.



But "the secret" isn't and wasn't ever a secret, it was just something you say for fun and games. Everyone knows the deal. Is O'Hearn's juicing a secret? It's not, they all laugh about it, but this joker Levrone claims to believe him. Now that's a joke, no one believes that shit.

Ronnie for sure was big before drugs and would beat most people drug free. He does have great genetics. And again it comes down to levels, say Ronnie just used testosterone as an amateur, as some say Ronnie admitted to, that does not make him natural but leaves him with a lot of room for improvement by stepping up the drugs.

Regarding the drug testing,  I don't believe he "beat" it as such as there never was any reliable testing. How many winners failed the Team U drug testing? I don't recall but obviously most didn't fail unless you think most were naturals at that show and NO ONE believes that. HOW MANY HAVE YOU SEEN FAIL THE MR UNIVERSE DRUG TESTING?! There have been many failures throughout the years but how many won and then were denied the pro card? Zero, as far as I know. Think about that for a while. That's corruption. Interestingly Lee Priest said they fucked him at 17 and had him fail while he was still natural. Remember Milos' adventures with the Philippines Universe team? He accused the officials of cheating in various ways and he was proven right eventually. Paul Chua was ousted for corruption. According to Milos not even the weigh-ins were legitimate. Corrupt as fuck = the testing is a joke.
And lets say Ronnie passed legitimate tests and he was just using "basic stuff" as he called it as an amateur. It was easy at the time. Just stop using for a few weeks.

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #52 on: May 09, 2022, 09:03:15 AM »
But "the secret" isn't and wasn't ever a secret, it was just something you say for fun and games. Everyone knows the deal. Is O'Hearn's juicing a secret? It's not, they all laugh about it, but this joker Levrone claims to believe him. Now that's a joke, no one believes that shit.

Ronnie for sure was big before drugs and would beat most people drug free. He does have great genetics. And again it comes down to levels, say Ronnie just used testosterone as an amateur, as some say Ronnie admitted to, that does not make him natural but leaves him with a lot of room for improvement by stepping up the drugs.

Regarding the drug testing,  I don't believe he "beat" it as such as there never was any reliable testing. How many winners failed the Team U drug testing? I don't recall but obviously most didn't fail unless you think most were naturals at that show and NO ONE believes that. HOW MANY HAVE YOU SEEN FAIL THE MR UNIVERSE DRUG TESTING?! There have been many failures throughout the years but how many won and then were denied the pro card? Zero, as far as I know. Think about that for a while. That's corruption. Interestingly Lee Priest said they fucked him at 17 and had him fail while he was still natural. Remember Milos' adventures with the Philippines Universe team? He accused the officials of cheating in various ways and he was proven right eventually. Paul Chua was ousted for corruption. According to Milos not even the weigh-ins were legitimate. Corrupt as fuck = the testing is a joke.
And lets say Ronnie passed legitimate tests and he was just using "basic stuff" as he called it as an amateur. It was easy at the time. Just stop using for a few weeks.
Mr Universe drug test was there to be beaten, they would place their urines in tied up condoms hidden under their posing trunks.
I also think champions tend to exaggerate their natural form during interviews, I had lengthy discussions with Ahmet Enunlu, he was 5' 7 1/2" during his peak, he has amazing genetics but he was never massive, he said he had 18 inch arms before taking any drugs which I find it hard to believe, as he probably had 18 1/2 inch arms when he was juicing.
Then maybe it is extremely hard to have large arms at very low contest condition, because there are many other greats telling they had 18-19-20 inch arms before using any drugs.

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #53 on: May 09, 2022, 09:09:30 AM »
I've been watching a couple of videos where Kevin Levrone and Dave Palumbo say Ronnie was natural when he turned pro.  What does Getbig think?



Could Ronnie have been natural here?

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #54 on: May 09, 2022, 09:11:36 AM »
Mr Universe drug test was there to be beaten, they would place their urines in tied up condoms hidden under their posing trunks.
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Clean urine deposited in their own bladders through a catheter...

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #55 on: May 09, 2022, 09:21:39 AM »
He was a cop which probably means no one would hire him as an accountant. He went to Grambling State which is the equivalent to graduating 3rd grade for most people.

I'm torn between laughing and calling your a racist for that Grambling comment.
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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2022, 09:23:32 AM »
Clean urine deposited in their own bladders through a catheter...

That gotta hurt.

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #57 on: May 09, 2022, 09:29:05 AM »
Clean urine deposited in their own bladders through a catheter...
Ouchh!

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #58 on: May 09, 2022, 09:43:33 AM »
That gotta hurt.
Ouchh!

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2022, 09:50:24 AM »
But "the secret" isn't and wasn't ever a secret, it was just something you say for fun and games. Everyone knows the deal. Is O'Hearn's juicing a secret? It's not, they all laugh about it, but this joker Levrone claims to believe him. Now that's a joke, no one believes that shit.

It's not just Levrone. Wheeler, Yates, Ray are among dudes, independently of each other (some of whom would arguably would all have Sandows but for the BEAST that Coleman became) vouching for Coleman. Even guys like Mike Quinn (whom Ronnie beat at the 1994 Olympia; Coleman placed 15th to Quinn's "16th" have done so, interview where Ronnie wasn't even the topic of conversation.

Ronnie for sure was big before drugs and would beat most people drug free. He does have great genetics. And again it comes down to levels, say Ronnie just used testosterone as an amateur, as some say Ronnie admitted to, that does not make him natural but leaves him with a lot of room for improvement by stepping up the drugs.

Let's say he didn't use testosterone at all, early in his career. How big was he before he started using that or anyone else?


Regarding the drug testing,  I don't believe he "beat" it as such as there never was any reliable testing. How many winners failed the Team U drug testing? I don't recall but obviously most didn't fail unless you think most were naturals at that show and NO ONE believes that. HOW MANY HAVE YOU SEEN FAIL THE MR UNIVERSE DRUG TESTING?! There have been many failures throughout the years but how many won and then were denied the pro card? Zero, as far as I know. Think about that for a while. That's corruption. Interestingly Lee Priest said they fucked him at 17 and had him fail while he was still natural. Remember Milos' adventures with the Philippines Universe team? He accused the officials of cheating in various ways and he was proven right eventually. Paul Chua was ousted for corruption. According to Milos not even the weigh-ins were legitimate. Corrupt as fuck = the testing is a joke.
And lets say Ronnie passed legitimate tests and he was just using "basic stuff" as he called it as an amateur. It was easy at the time. Just stop using for a few weeks.

That's why I asked. If it's THAT EASY to beat the Universe testing, why did so few American amateurs who didn't win the USA, North American, or Nationals simply "stop using for a few weeks", head to the Universe and go for their pro cards there?

They even made the Team Universe a pro qualifier in 2003, because the IFBB kept having the U held in Muslim countries and the USA contigent didn't go to compete.
I don't doubt there's cheating at the Universe. Heck, for most amateurs from other countries, the Universe is the be-all-end-all. They know if they take those pro cards, they'll get slaughtered in the IFBB. Some, particularly in the middle east, forfeited the pro cards they got as their countries' national champions, to compete in the Universe. Their native land offered them way more fame and fortune for winning their classes at the U, than they'd EVER GET as IFBB pros (i.e. Hamdullah Aytukulu).

Remember the tantrum Craig Titus threw when he lost the USA heavyweight class to the late Phil Herndon in 1995? He, in theory, could have easily stopped using for a few weeks, head to the Universe and turn pro. It's not as if he could have been in obscurity, as he was one of those amateurs who got more press than most established IFBB pros in the mid 90s.

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #60 on: May 09, 2022, 10:16:49 AM »
Clean urine deposited in their own bladders through a catheter...

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #61 on: May 09, 2022, 01:07:10 PM »
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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #62 on: May 09, 2022, 01:31:46 PM »
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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #63 on: May 09, 2022, 01:35:02 PM »
As natural as everyone else when they turned Pro. ;D

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #64 on: May 09, 2022, 01:38:59 PM »
Clean urine deposited in their own bladders through a catheter...

I know a guy who did this. He had freezed a friend's urine which he defrosted in a microwave. He claims he shot his cock with a urine syringe. Still failed the test.

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #65 on: May 09, 2022, 02:39:02 PM »
I know a guy who did this. He had freezed a friend's urine which he defrosted in a microwave. He claims he shot his cock with a urine syringe. Still failed the test.

  • 1. Did he refrain from eating or drinking beforehand?
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  • 3. Did he drain his bladder through the catheter first?
  • 4. Was the donated urine sample given within a short time, so as to prevent dirty urine from the kidneys mixing with the clean urine?

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #66 on: May 10, 2022, 03:02:32 AM »
I'm torn between laughing and calling your a racist for that Grambling comment.
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A few years ago I read an article of each state's worst college and Louisiana's worst was Grambling. The average GRADUATE at the time was making twenty some thousand $$$ a year! There must be a large number of unemployed graduates to bring the number down that low.

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #67 on: May 10, 2022, 04:05:04 AM »
A few years ago I read an article of each state's worst college and Louisiana's worst was Grambling. The average GRADUATE at the time was making twenty some thousand $$$ a year! There must be a large number of unemployed graduates to bring the number down that low.

The football players who don't graduate are making millions.


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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #68 on: May 10, 2022, 04:21:37 AM »
ive substituted urine for drug tests successfully half a dozen times.  they're not allowed to look at your penis unless its for DOT or probation/parole, so generally no need to infuse your bladder with clean urine.

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #69 on: May 10, 2022, 01:21:44 PM »
A few years ago I read an article of each state's worst college and Louisiana's worst was Grambling. The average GRADUATE at the time was making twenty some thousand $$$ a year! There must be a large number of unemployed graduates to bring the number down that low.

Oh goody!! Then both our jabs were at that particular HBCU. Mine was because I graduated from a much better one!! ;D


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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #70 on: May 10, 2022, 02:06:43 PM »
I've been watching a couple of videos where Kevin Levrone and Dave Palumbo say Ronnie was natural when he turned pro.  What does Getbig think?



Could Ronnie have been natural here?


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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #71 on: May 11, 2022, 01:42:20 AM »
Oh goody!! Then both our jabs were at that particular HBCU. Mine was because I graduated from a much better one!! ;D
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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #72 on: May 11, 2022, 01:44:21 AM »
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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #73 on: May 11, 2022, 03:43:42 AM »
Danta Strudel said Ronnie was natty when he turned pro.

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Re: Was Ronnie Natty When He Turned Pro?
« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2022, 03:50:06 AM »
Danta Strudel said Ronnie was natty when he turned pro.

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Ronnie was a young police officer when he turned pro. He had to pretend that he was drug free.