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Re: Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?
« Reply #250 on: May 31, 2022, 11:15:52 PM »
Sure, my brother Matthammed, aside from reminding you of your rights to revenge and bodily autonomy under Islam, I'd also recommend you Jordan Peterson's new talk with Hamza Yusuf.

As for Idi Amin - he was a great man. A great leader. He exuded power and strength - which is what I want for you, too. Look at what the Government tried to do to you! They tried to lock you up. Hold you down. They tried to take CONTROL of your body! What better way is there to take the power back and say MY BODY, MY CHOICE than by becoming a sidewalk-cracking BEAST? Be proud of your mutation. Stand out from the crowd not only with your free-thinking mind, but with your bulging biceps.

Whether you are being sarcastic or not - GREAT POST!!!

But Canada may be too far gone...

My prime minister would rather be allies with communist China than with the USA.

My government will take away more and more of people's rights and claw more and more power...it's bad.

I just want to be as strong as I possibly can be, to prepare for the next series of lockdowns.

I have also come to accept - I will just be in jail if things get much worse here. It makes me very upset...but I refuse to tolerate my own government breaking the law. I just won't do it.

Everyone went along with this plandemic joke the whole time. I didn't tolerate it for one second. I wore a mask two times this entire plandemic, and only until I verified my legal rights.

But - I won this round with the police. I don't want to end up in jail over this bullshit, but - I've drawn a line in the sand over my rights, and I'll be protecting my rights.

And that's it.

Sadly, I think more lockdowns are coming to Canada. Bunch of fucking sheeple here!

As for Idi Amin - yes, he was the man! Check out his documentary on YouTube [I bought it]. Or elsewhere, if you can find it. Preview:



I am also a big fan of "The Rise and Fall of Idi Amin", which came out the year that I was born!



Idi Amin had an excellent exile in Saudi Arabia, and I attribute that to his faith in Islam!!!

He was paid $30,000 a month by the Saudi government! A nice relaxing final chapter or his life:



^ He attributes many things to his faith in God/Allah.

I recommend at least one gram of test a week plus orals.

LOL!!!!

I was thinking 750mg + orals.  :)

I DID see a noticeable difference between 500mg and 750mg as a base.

Is there a big difference between 750mg and 1,000mg?

Also, someone said some retired pros take 1,000mg as TRT. Do they really take that much?

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Re: Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?
« Reply #251 on: May 31, 2022, 11:20:35 PM »
MATT CANNING SHALL HAVE HIS REVENGE!


I would like to do a little studying of Islam now.

Will I be welcome to the mosque as a curious White man?

And look at that photo...see what the plandemic joke did to me? That photo was my first month back in the gym after the joke plandemic.

I look forward to surpassing this photo:


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Re: Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?
« Reply #252 on: May 31, 2022, 11:49:51 PM »
Matt, how on earth are you going to know what advice to take from so many people. If you are 40 and have trained for a long time then good luck. To compound things you have counterproductive goals. I can understand someone avoiding summer sun but a 30 year old shouldn’t make longevity a restricting goal in life. I look at your physique and we can tell you lifted heavy weights off the floor. Your shoulders have benefited from your bench presses. Restricting calories and lifting heavy = what we see in your photos.

Yes, Vince - that sums it up perfectly!!

I have always been a hard trainer generally.

I mean, who bench presses 315x8 at 170-lb drug-free, who doesn't train hard?

In one of Dave Palumbo's "Bros vs. Pros" videos, they did a 315-lb bench press for reps contest, and Andy Haman only got 20 reps.

"Only" - 20 reps of 315 is lot, but I'm just saying my hard training is sort of proven through my lift videos.

IMO, many talk - but few prove their claims.

That said, I always restricted calories, out of fear of dying young.

But my doctor has basically mandated that I eat more.

I tell you to try eating more and keep the reps over 10. Forget deadlifting. See if you can get your arms an inch bigger. When you can do that you should be able to apply that to other body parts. Increase your calories. Maybe an extra meal before going to bed. Forget about impressing Getbiggers or guys in your gym. Forget the anabolic drugs. Have some fun in life and get active dating. Stop obsessing about details! Well, you can’t help it. If I say eat 3000 calories I don’t mean exactly that many but much more than you are ingesting now. If you need specific, precise details about anything then no one can help you because you literally don’t know what to believe.

Vince - that's all well and good for AFTER my cycle.

I just want that little boost to my training that you can't get without.

Basically, to feel pumped up all the time, and to just be a bit leaner and harder at all times.

No amount of fixing my nutrition will get that.

I could bulk up to 200-lb tomorrow, but I will be a bit soft.

I could cut to 160-lb tomorrow, but I will be soft.

What I'm trying to say is - there is NOTHING I can to do get the results I'm looking for WITHOUT getting a boost.

NOT in the time frame I'm looking to do it.

Vince, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND 18 MONTHS DOING EVERYTHING PERFECTLY to get the look I'm looking for. There will be time for that later.

I want the results FASTER. While my momentum is still so high.

Also, at 40, it's questionable if I will ever be able to achieve a certain look, even if I was literally in a lab, doing everything PERFECTLY. Eating to an alarm clock, and training in an exact specific way, at the same time each day.

Ever since gyms reopened - I've been feeling RADICALLY better. I was DONE with the plandemic joke - and I explicitly wrote the police and told them THERE IS NO FUCKING LAW IN CANADA THAT ALLOWS THE GOVERNMENT TO INSIST CANADIANS SHOW THEIR FUCKING PRIVATE MEDICAL DATA WHILE GOING TO SHOPS.

WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT LAW? IT DOESN'T EXIST!

So I went back and forth in communication with them, and explicitly stated that no one in the province has had the BALLS to test this vaccine passport bullshit in court - SO I WILL.

And I gave them a time and date, etc.

And told them I'd live-stream it.

Anyway, they backed down, and then the government got rid of that bullshit illegal rule because of the trucker's convoy protest.

And now, ever since being able to train at public gyms again, I've been radically better.

So my POINT in doing steroids is to keep the momentum going, and keep my well-being high.

I'm not looking for some night-and-day difference - but I've paid my dues in the gym. I've trained many hours over many years.

Now I want to literally look so svelte and sleek and sinewy, that even I stop while looking in the mirror and almost do a double take.

HOWEVER...I am NOT willing to take substantial health risks. That's why I want to keep things at the INTERMEDIATE LEVEL.

Regarding taking everyone's advice - I don't think I will be doing that once I start. I will have a definite plan by the time I start. Such as taking insulin...now we're talking about something that could cause me to die of hypoglycemia.

BIG risk - definitely need to APPROACH with caution.

If I do that, I will be making sure to have 5x 2L bottles of pop here, JUST in case, heaven forbid, I inject too much. Plus only inject when my training partner is here, etc.

And I still have at least one more health test to do before this starts.

I have basically done everything I possibly can to make sure this is done safely - if I do it, which I most likely will.

What I've come to realize is that people are so full of shit?

Do you remember Sarcasm [RIP], Vince? I got along with him, but...

HE WAS A COMPLETE FAT SLOB!

It blew my mind! So for ALL THOSE YEARS, the person behind the screen was an obese man, who was talking shit about everyone else?

UNREAL!

As I said earlier here - I was shocked walking into my first local strength contest and placing 4th.

PEOPLE ARE SUCH LYING SACKS OF SHIT.

You'd think from reading this thread, I am the first person to have done a cycle. When in reality, I'm simply one of the few people out there who is extremely honest, and not one to hide much.

The stuff that people hide scares me...again, for Sarcasm to talk so much shit, yet be a fat, disgusting, cheeseburger eating piece of shit...blows mind!

Vince - maybe most people say they are going to do 1g of gear, and actually do 3g. But NOT ME.

My intention is to do around or just under 1g total anabolics per week - although I'm thinking I'll do a 16-week cycle now, rather than 12. But you have my word - I'm going to do exactly what I say - not 3x as much like every other lying c unt out there!

Why would I even be posting all this, if my intention was to lie?

If I'm going to do this [75%+ chance], I want to do it RIGHT.

And as a bonus - it will be nice to out-lift or otherwise outperform those talking shit behind user names.

I'm assuming many are fat, wheezing, Sarcasm-like creatures!

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Re: Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?
« Reply #253 on: June 01, 2022, 12:20:25 AM »
I've always found I can commit better to raising my calories while I'm running gear, or even just supplements.

Let's be honest: I could "eat bro" PERFECTLY, six meals a day + sufficient water, etc, for 18 MONTHS, and wouldn't even make the progress I would running gear for 1/6th of that time.

THAT'S the reality of gear.

I understand that bodybuilding is a marathon and not a sprint, but NATURAL BODYBUILDING is...

Well...

Let's be honest - NATURAL BODYBUILDING DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST.

Who the FUCK is natural? Pros who are 255-lb in contest would be 220-lb at 18% body fat without gear. THAT is the reality.

I could eat bro for the rest of the year, and MAYBE look as good as I would from using 15mg of Dianabol daily for 28 days, lol.

And how do I know that? BECAUSE I'VE DONE BOTH BEFORE.

Even the audacity of people to lie about this. Like they desperately don't want others to find out how much bodybuilding truly is ALL DRUGS. So you have people like Lou Ferrigno claiming to train for six hours a day, rather than tell the truth about the drug component, because this is to LIE to people and BRAINWASH them into thinking you have to spend a full-time job's worth of time IN THE GYM to look like a pro.

NO!

As if your normal dedicated gym rat is training that much differently from pros. The major difference in DEDICATION would to me be the NUTRITION aspect.

The rest is PED's [huge component] and GENETICS.

Yet you'd never know this reading most bodybuilding magazines! You'd think you have to train harder, when you'd make more progress adding more protein - as that is the major difference [genetics and drugs aside].

I'm not suggesting training doesn't matter, nor am I saying drugs are magic. But if I'm looking to change my physique from a noticeable visual way in 3-4 months, NOTHING is going to do that like both eating more AND using PED's.

As I said, I guarantee you - I could be in a lab "eating bro" six times a day, and training with full dedication for the next 18 months, and I would make BETTER gains just increasing my protein/calories, and using PED's for four months.

"Natural Bodybuilding"

LOL!!!!!!!

What an absolute crock of complete shit! Bodybuilding is ALL DRUGS.

THAT is why I train for strength. NOBODY amounts to Jack shit without juice! I'm not even clear if the board has agreed who is the top natural bodybuilder, because even 200-lb competitors are accused of juice! I've also seen heavy juicers get off gear and go from 315 to 215. In fact, any time a juicer gives me this bullshit about hard work, I just feel like someone is lying to my face.

Ron Jeremy [adults movie star] once said he would never use Viagra. I later read online that he had a penile implant.

I think I'm just surrounded by liars. Sarcasm is such a massive example of this. Lying sack of complete shit. Fat shit.

It is NOT POSSIBLE for me to get the results I'm trying to get WITHOUT using either steroids or supplements.THIS IS THE SAME REASON WHY ANYONE USES ANY DRUG, EVER.

It's not JUST about getting to 200-lb. I have BEEN 200-lb again - but it just made my waist expand our of control.

This is me at 190-200, naturally - note the wide waist:



^ I can easily attain that look on gear with a smaller waist.

Weird how it's always the biggest juicers downplaying their efficacy.

I already KNOW what my results will be BECAUSE I HAVE USED STEROIDS BEFORE. I don't train for natural bodybuilding because it is FUCKING POINTLESS.

You can get quite strong naturally. You CANNOT gain any significant muscle mass naturally. And NO, BEING 200-LB AT 20% BODY FAT IS NOT THE SAME AS BEING 180-LB AT 10% BODY FAT. BECAUSE NATURALS LOSE ALL THEIR MUSCLE DIETING.

Looks that make mathematical sense off steroids CANNOT be attained without drugs! I once did everything right and cut to 157 - I was no leaner than I had been when I started at 182 - BECAUSE THE BODY ADAPTS, THAT'S THE POINT - AND THAT'S WHY STEROIDS HELP.

I want to get a look - temporarily - that would take me two years to get naturally, if I EVER get it.

Natural bodybuilding IS NOT A THING. And the REASON why I trained for strength is because even if I did EVERYTHING RIGHT, what would I be?

185-lb at 10% body fat, instead of 170 at 15% body fat? I would argue, even THAT may not be possible.

To the CONTRARY, you CAN make gains in strength naturally without eating a massive lot.

Which brings me to one last point:

I DON'T WANT TO DEDICATE TO NATURAL BODYBUILDING. Even if I COULD get the same result in 18 months, as 3-4 months of gear. I DON'T WANT to be eating all day, shitting all day, shopping for protein all day. And ultimately - not being any healthier.

I just want a one-and-done experience, pushing my limits a little.

It's nice to do that just to have proof of what you are capable of.

I have NO PROBLEM doing whatever training is necessary to achieve a certain look - but I DO NOT WANT to triple my calories in the long-term for this.

I'm also doing this noe because it looks like I need to double my calories anyway - so I may as well do that, set those habits, and benefit from a one-off cycle.

I have NO INTEREST in spending one or two years to get the same result from natural bodybuilding. EVEN IF I COULD GET THE SAME RESULTS, WHICH IS MOST LIKELY NOT POSSIBLE.

I just want to do this one-off cycle, enjoy women looking at me while I'm out walking [happens anyway - but looking forward for that to rise], and just go back to eating like a bird and training for strength.

It's not the training that has ever turned me off - it's the EATING.

I also don't think it's healthy to bulk up, even naturally.

I want to do this once, make it meaningful, enjoy the short ride while it lasts, and then likely never, ever do it again.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet I will never do it again.

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Re: Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?
« Reply #254 on: June 01, 2022, 12:23:46 AM »
Is this humor? This sounds like humor. Dude is eating 1800 calories a day to stay at 170lbs his damn thyroid is shutting down to offset his starvation diet and he is ego lifting while starving himself wondering why he can't build mass or get leaner. Getbig Idiots approve and praise this behavior. Also 216.4lbs this am not 230 yet and no desire to ever flip any tires


This is the sort of physique I am shooting for.

I would like to look like that, but unfortunately, my chest genetics suck.

However, if I could look at my previous best + 5-lb of muscle, I'd be happy.

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Re: Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?
« Reply #255 on: June 01, 2022, 12:51:02 AM »




INSULIN:

This is easy enough for me to get in Canada...but this seems remarkably easy to fuck up. I remember reading a horror story where a guy on BB.com used insulin, and almost died until he acquired a 2L pop from the 7-11, after drinking it all and immediately puking it out [presumably after his body absorbed all the sugar out of it].

I would NOT use insulin unless I'm injecting it PRE-WORKOUT AND WITH MY TRAINING PARTNER PRESENT.

Period. No fucking around with insulin. My pancreas is in very good health, based on all the tests I've done, and I don't like the idea of messing with it.

That being said, Van:

I can get cheap and freely available insulin literally tomorrow. GH...gosh, isn't there a lot of fake GH around?

I could ask in my circles - it should be available. But I'm somewhat concerned about fake GH or whatever.

In the Milos thread, he was only using insulin, wasn't he [no GH]?

Would just adding insulin help? Or is insulin one of those things you need to run with GH for it to work?


In my hypothetical scenario insulin would only play a small part. But since it's nontoxic and IMO safe there's no reason not to use it. I would only do some Lantus a couple of days a week and small doses of fast acting insulin around workouts. There is virtually zero risk of fucking up Lantus and the same is true of small doses of fast insulins. The purpose would be to increase igf-1, increase recovery, pumps, antiinflammatory, increase appetite. It would only play a relatively small part but it would add a little something at low cost healthwise. Regarding insulin being easy to fuck up, it's actually remarkably hard to really fuck up bad. Episodes of hypoglycemia are common but since the mid 90s I have heard of ZERO deaths from insulin. Imagine that, it was supposed to kill off a large percentage of users. That said, it has to be respected, if you are unlucky there might be serious consequences and really embarrassing episodes. But at low dosages even these don't occur as a rule. The reason I even mentioned insulin at all is to make people think of how PED use used to be constructed. It was steroids for a few years, then you added GH and perhaps insuln once you were pro. But why? Isn't it more logical to optimize all possible growth mechanisms from the start? What used to take 10 years to achieve could maybe be achieved in 2 years, just to give a hypothetical example. You would expose your body to LESS total drugs and wear and tear for a given physique level. While I think insulin is WAY WAY weaker for building muscle than steroids and less important than GH, some like Milos claim that if they could only use one of these it would be insulin.

I don't know what GH you have available but from what I've seen on forums there's verified high quality GH available for cheap in the US. Chinese generics. Same could be true of Canada, I don't know but I would guess so. Supposedly some suppliers sell 10iu bottles that are actually 15-20iu according to lab tests. That's no good, the dosage should be within half an iu of label claim, not overdosed, but it does show there's real underground GH made. They have also tested purity and amount of "wrong" aminos and some generics are pharma quality.

If I were you I wouldn't go higher than 500mg of test to start. I would preferally add some orals and GH before I started perhaps increasing the test. Yes, just 250mg of test would give gains like these other fellas say but I'm assuming you're doing only one cycle and then calling it quits for a good while. Just 250mg of test for 16 weeks would be disappointing for sure. Going on trt for life and not wanting to compete and get as strong as possible, yes you could argue for 250mg. Even less could work for some gains depending on how you metabolize test. I'm talking optimizing results in a short window doing it as safe as possible. Hankins is right, I think 500mg is a reasonable middle of the road test dosage when aiming for PED results.

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Re: Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?
« Reply #256 on: June 01, 2022, 02:17:43 AM »
In my hypothetical scenario insulin would only play a small part. But since it's nontoxic and IMO safe there's no reason not to use it. I would only do some Lantus a couple of days a week and small doses of fast acting insulin around workouts. There is virtually zero risk of fucking up Lantus and the same is true of small doses of fast insulins. The purpose would be to increase igf-1, increase recovery, pumps, antiinflammatory, increase appetite. It would only play a relatively small part but it would add a little something at low cost healthwise. Regarding insulin being easy to fuck up, it's actually remarkably hard to really fuck up bad. Episodes of hypoglycemia are common but since the mid 90s I have heard of ZERO deaths from insulin. Imagine that, it was supposed to kill off a large percentage of users. That said, it has to be respected, if you are unlucky there might be serious consequences and really embarrassing episodes. But at low dosages even these don't occur as a rule. The reason I even mentioned insulin at all is to make people think of how PED use used to be constructed. It was steroids for a few years, then you added GH and perhaps insuln once you were pro. But why? Isn't it more logical to optimize all possible growth mechanisms from the start? What used to take 10 years to achieve could maybe be achieved in 2 years, just to give a hypothetical example. You would expose your body to LESS total drugs and wear and tear for a given physique level. While I think insulin is WAY WAY weaker for building muscle than steroids and less important than GH, some like Milos claim that if they could only use one of these it would be insulin.

I don't know what GH you have available but from what I've seen on forums there's verified high quality GH available for cheap in the US. Chinese generics. Same could be true of Canada, I don't know but I would guess so. Supposedly some suppliers sell 10iu bottles that are actually 15-20iu according to lab tests. That's no good, the dosage should be within half an iu of label claim, not overdosed, but it does show there's real underground GH made. They have also tested purity and amount of "wrong" aminos and some generics are pharma quality.

If I were you I wouldn't go higher than 500mg of test to start. I would preferally add some orals and GH before I started perhaps increasing the test. Yes, just 250mg of test would give gains like these other fellas say but I'm assuming you're doing only one cycle and then calling it quits for a good while. Just 250mg of test for 16 weeks would be disappointing for sure. Going on trt for life and not wanting to compete and get as strong as possible, yes you could argue for 250mg. Even less could work for some gains depending on how you metabolize test. I'm talking optimizing results in a short window doing it as safe as possible. Hankins is right, I think 500mg is a reasonable middle of the road test dosage when aiming for PED results.

One thing that turned me off from PED's is that I'd use them once, bulk up and look better, then a year later, look the same.

I thought to myself - why bother? Why put the time, money, and effort in if you are just going to look the same after?

While another Getbigger told me to use GH too, wouldn't this radically change my physique, only to look exactly the same within 6-9-12 months, or however long it takes to lose all your gains?

But there's one more thing - wouldn't the more gear you add, the more likely you are to crash after?

So with a really decent cycle, I'd make fantastic gains for a few months, maybe keep it for a few months [Tom Prince legitimately went from 280-lb to likely under 200-lb from July 2003 to July 2004], then not only lose it all, but ALSO have side effects to deal with?

I guess you've probably figured out why I would only do a 1-month Dbol only cycle every three years.

Quick in, quick out, barely any side effects, and I never used PCT [perhaps that explains my low normal test now, but...I can't imagine five oral cycles without PCT in 15 years causing that].

I guess what I'm saying here, Van - is:

I am psychologically prepared for - and continually further preparing myself for - knowing I'll lose all my gains after the cycle is over.

This is part of why I don't want to do anything TOO dramatic...

THAT BEING SAID...

This is a one and done thing.

Now that I fully see how completely fucking fake this whole industry is, and seeing the young deaths, and seeing however many bodybuilders shrink to nothing upon retirement, etc, and seeing a local bodybuilder recently need open heart surgery before he turned 45 [possibly vaccine-related], and have a mental breakdown from no longer getting Likes on social media...it just reiterated to me the importance of not investing your self-esteem into something you don't have full control over.

I don't want my identity to be attached to my "Gorilla Suit" [when in reality, guys like Bob Paris would be 180 lean, with decent muscle bellies and nothing more].

So ultimately I am almost certain this will be, effectively, my only REAL cycle - do it once while I'm still young enough to make gains, do it right, and know I will never look that way ever again.

For many reasons - including to answer the question of how things could have been for me had I ran gear. Although I already know I don't have very good bodybuilding genetics. Good delts...but not much more.

If I have a question here, maybe it's this:

If this is a one and done cycle, is that all the more reason to go "ALL IN"? Or is it silly to spend however many thousands this will all cost me, only to look like I do now, one year from today?

Also, I should point out that I know how to acquire everything necessary...but I don't know for certain about the GH. I know many people on juice, but not too many have talked about GH. Only anabolics.

So let's just say, this is available to me:

- Sustanon
- Testosterone
- Dianabol
- Winstrol
- Anadrol
- Anavar
- Halotestin
- Boldenone
- Insulin

^ Any of that, I could get within 24 hours notice.

Not sure on the GH though.

But if insulin is as safe as you claim, given it's cheap as hell in Canada, I think it could be worth adding.

I'll have to ask about the GH.

Now I have to give serious thought to REALLY doing a serious cycle.

I would HATE to do a serious cycle, and not eat enough and for it to go to waste. Hence why I need to ensure I have a month's supply of food before I start ANYTHING. I don't mind being slack on an oral-only wimpy cycle - but I will only do an intermediate cycle if I maximize my progress.

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Re: Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?
« Reply #257 on: June 01, 2022, 02:17:47 AM »
I would like to do a little studying of Islam now.

Will I be welcome to the mosque as a curious White man?

And look at that photo...see what the plandemic joke did to me? That photo was my first month back in the gym after the joke plandemic.

I look forward to surpassing this photo:



Why the fuck would you want to study Islam?

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Re: Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?
« Reply #258 on: June 01, 2022, 02:47:44 AM »
Why the fuck would you want to study Islam?

Matt is being groomed by a terrorist. I fear for his health.

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Re: Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?
« Reply #259 on: June 01, 2022, 03:48:59 AM »
One thing that turned me off from PED's is that I'd use them once, bulk up and look better, then a year later, look the same.

I thought to myself - why bother? Why put the time, money, and effort in if you are just going to look the same after?

While another Getbigger told me to use GH too, wouldn't this radically change my physique, only to look exactly the same within 6-9-12 months, or however long it takes to lose all your gains?

But there's one more thing - wouldn't the more gear you add, the more likely you are to crash after?

So with a really decent cycle, I'd make fantastic gains for a few months, maybe keep it for a few months [Tom Prince legitimately went from 280-lb to likely under 200-lb from July 2003 to July 2004], then not only lose it all, but ALSO have side effects to deal with?

I guess you've probably figured out why I would only do a 1-month Dbol only cycle every three years.

Quick in, quick out, barely any side effects, and I never used PCT [perhaps that explains my low normal test now, but...I can't imagine five oral cycles without PCT in 15 years causing that].

I guess what I'm saying here, Van - is:

I am psychologically prepared for - and continually further preparing myself for - knowing I'll lose all my gains after the cycle is over.

This is part of why I don't want to do anything TOO dramatic...

THAT BEING SAID...

This is a one and done thing.

Now that I fully see how completely fucking fake this whole industry is, and seeing the young deaths, and seeing however many bodybuilders shrink to nothing upon retirement, etc, and seeing a local bodybuilder recently need open heart surgery before he turned 45 [possibly vaccine-related], and have a mental breakdown from no longer getting Likes on social media...it just reiterated to me the importance of not investing your self-esteem into something you don't have full control over.

I don't want my identity to be attached to my "Gorilla Suit" [when in reality, guys like Bob Paris would be 180 lean, with decent muscle bellies and nothing more].

So ultimately I am almost certain this will be, effectively, my only REAL cycle - do it once while I'm still young enough to make gains, do it right, and know I will never look that way ever again.

For many reasons - including to answer the question of how things could have been for me had I ran gear. Although I already know I don't have very good bodybuilding genetics. Good delts...but not much more.

If I have a question here, maybe it's this:

If this is a one and done cycle, is that all the more reason to go "ALL IN"? Or is it silly to spend however many thousands this will all cost me, only to look like I do now, one year from today?

Also, I should point out that I know how to acquire everything necessary...but I don't know for certain about the GH. I know many people on juice, but not too many have talked about GH. Only anabolics.

So let's just say, this is available to me:

- Sustanon
- Testosterone
- Dianabol
- Winstrol
- Anadrol
- Anavar
- Halotestin
- Boldenone
- Insulin

^ Any of that, I could get within 24 hours notice.

Not sure on the GH though.

But if insulin is as safe as you claim, given it's cheap as hell in Canada, I think it could be worth adding.

I'll have to ask about the GH.

Now I have to give serious thought to REALLY doing a serious cycle.

I would HATE to do a serious cycle, and not eat enough and for it to go to waste. Hence why I need to ensure I have a month's supply of food before I start ANYTHING. I don't mind being slack on an oral-only wimpy cycle - but I will only do an intermediate cycle if I maximize my progress.

Matt while I’m no van bilderass I’m just gonna say for your goals I would just take a little test and an oral and judging from what you want I would take anavar with the test. That way you get strong and don’t become a bloat bag and lose it all when your done. Also steer clear of GH and most definitely insulin. You want a mild cycle and fear for your health so insulin should be as far off the table as possible.

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« Reply #260 on: June 01, 2022, 03:54:26 AM »
Remember how Sarcasm would trash everyone's physique, then it turned out he was a fat, disgusting, cheeseburger eating piece of shit?

 🍔

Just the audacity of that fat man talking shit about anyone else. And even if he DID bench press the 360-370 he claimed - HE WEIGHED 320-LB.

I'll bet any money Walter Sobchak is like that.

The people I have respect for [even IF they talk shit] are:

- People who post using their real name.
- People who have stars in their username.
- People who post quality work, regardless of anonymity status.

I may not be thrilled reading a post by Vince Goodrum trashing me BUT he has my respect for putting himself out there online.

I've just been thinking lately - is Walter Sobchak yet ANOTHER obese Sarcasm-type poster on the other end of the screen. 🙄

Nobody who actually IS in shape feels the need to trash people in worse shape than them. Why would they? The results speak for themselves.

In hindsight, Sarcasm was just a piece of shit BECAUSE he was a fat, disgusting slob.

Just remembering that about Sarcasm, made me wonder if we have another fat Sarcasm-type on our hands. I suspect we do.

As for me - I did my third deadlift workout, and I am back to 405-lb now. I wanted to max out before going on PED's, but & meh. I see no reason to wait any longer. I've been way too cautious all my life.

Time to just do a decent cycle. If I run into side effects, I'll jump ship.

I just want to get some idea of how I would look, if on.

That being said, it annoys me what a sham bodybuilding is. I used to think bodybuilding is all hard training. But, with experience, I feel bodybuilding is primarily hard work in the KITCHEN + genetics/PED's, and training being the variable we have the most leeway with.

Let me put that another way:

Natural bodybuilding REALLY isn't a thing. I can't IMAGINE any sub-six foot bodybuilder even hitting 200-lb in contest shape. What was Layne Norton? 5'10.5" and 189-lb, right?

I'd say that's about the max, honestly. Am I wrong? If so, what is the max?

Genetics matter a LOT. PED's will GROW your muscles, but the natural muscle shape is genetic. I only have ONE area that has a good genetic shape - shoulders. So I WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO SUCCEED ANYONE.

LET ALONE WITHOUT PED'S.

The magazines were full of lies that make people think anyone can do it!

And FINALLY, I'd have to say training and nutrition is 30/70.
Maybe 40/60.

But IMO, nutrition is more important than training for BODYBUILDING.

Though both are important, but I think if you had to give 100% to one, and 50% to the other, you'd look better giving 100% to nutrition.

Is that wrong?

Lastly - because I'm sure the average 40-year-old man looks like this, right?

HAHAHAHAHAHA, what an absolute pathetic piece of shit. Probably another 320-lb fatass like Sarcasm!

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« Reply #261 on: June 01, 2022, 04:00:04 AM »
This Mark Wahlberg comparison was cool:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=679166.msg9793027#msg9793027

But yeah, I want to look like a 320-lb fatass.

Ultimately, I have constraints:

Health and looks/aesthetics are two major constraints. Health is the big one.

I wish bodybuilding wasn't so FUCKING UNHEALTHY.

Shit, even natural bodybuilding isn't "healthy". Anything involving weight gain isn't going to be healthy.

But - for this ONE CYCLE...fuck it.

It will be cool to see the transformation.

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« Reply #262 on: June 01, 2022, 04:05:04 AM »
Remember how Sarcasm would trash everyone's physique, then it turned out he was a fat, disgusting, cheeseburger eating piece of shit?

 🍔

Just the audacity of that fat man talking shit about anyone else. And even if he DID bench press the 360-370 he claimed - HE WEIGHED 320-LB.

I'll bet any money Walter Sobchak is like that.

The people I have respect for [even IF they talk shit] are:

- People who post using their real name.
- People who have stars in their username.
- People who post quality work, regardless of anonymity status.

I may not be thrilled reading a post by Vince Goodrum trashing me BUT he has my respect for putting himself out there online.

I've just been thinking lately - is Walter Sobchak yet ANOTHER obese Sarcasm-type poster on the other end of the screen. 🙄

Nobody who actually IS in shape feels the need to trash people in worse shape than them. Why would they? The results speak for themselves.

In hindsight, Sarcasm was just a piece of shit BECAUSE he was a fat, disgusting slob.

Just remembering that about Sarcasm, made me wonder if we have another fat Sarcasm-type on our hands. I suspect we do.

As for me - I did my third deadlift workout, and I am back to 405-lb now. I wanted to max out before going on PED's, but & meh. I see no reason to wait any longer. I've been way too cautious all my life.

Time to just do a decent cycle. If I run into side effects, I'll jump ship.

I just want to get some idea of how I would look, if on.

That being said, it annoys me what a sham bodybuilding is. I used to think bodybuilding is all hard training. But, with experience, I feel bodybuilding is primarily hard work in the KITCHEN + genetics/PED's, and training being the variable we have the most leeway with.

Let me put that another way:

Natural bodybuilding REALLY isn't a thing. I can't IMAGINE any sub-six foot bodybuilder even hitting 200-lb in contest shape. What was Layne Norton? 5'10.5" and 189-lb, right?

I'd say that's about the max, honestly. Am I wrong? If so, what is the max?

Genetics matter a LOT. PED's will GROW your muscles, but the natural muscle shape is genetic. I only have ONE area that has a good genetic shape - shoulders. So I WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO SUCCEED ANYONE.

LET ALONE WITHOUT PED'S.

The magazines were full of lies that make people think anyone can do it!

And FINALLY, I'd have to say training and nutrition is 30/70.
Maybe 40/60.

But IMO, nutrition is more important than training for BODYBUILDING.

Though both are important, but I think if you had to give 100% to one, and 50% to the other, you'd look better giving 100% to nutrition.

Is that wrong?

Lastly - because I'm sure the average 40-year-old man looks like this, right?

HAHAHAHAHAHA, what an absolute pathetic piece of shit. Probably another 320-lb fatass like Sarcasm!

"Nutrition" in bodybuilding is code for drugs.

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« Reply #263 on: June 01, 2022, 06:38:38 AM »
Is this humor? This sounds like humor. Dude is eating 1800 calories a day to stay at 170lbs his damn thyroid is shutting down to offset his starvation diet and he is ego lifting while starving himself wondering why he can't build mass or get leaner. Getbig Idiots approve and praise this behavior. Also 216.4lbs this am not 230 yet and no desire to ever flip any tires

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« Reply #264 on: June 01, 2022, 01:45:22 PM »


If I have a question here, maybe it's this:

If this is a one and done cycle, is that all the more reason to go "ALL IN"? Or is it silly to spend however many thousands this will all cost me, only to look like I do now, one year from today?

Also, I should point out that I know how to acquire everything necessary...but I don't know for certain about the GH. I know many people on juice, but not too many have talked about GH. Only anabolics.

So let's just say, this is available to me:

- Sustanon
- Testosterone
- Dianabol
- Winstrol
- Anadrol
- Anavar
- Halotestin
- Boldenone
- Insulin

^ Any of that, I could get within 24 hours notice.

Not sure on the GH though.

But if insulin is as safe as you claim, given it's cheap as hell in Canada, I think it could be worth adding.

I'll have to ask about the GH.

Now I have to give serious thought to REALLY doing a serious cycle.

I would HATE to do a serious cycle, and not eat enough and for it to go to waste. Hence why I need to ensure I have a month's supply of food before I start ANYTHING. I don't mind being slack on an oral-only wimpy cycle - but I will only do an intermediate cycle if I maximize my progress.

You don't have to go all-in, just do a reasonable cycle. Not something that is obviously toxic but not overly wimpy either. Really, all those orals would work, except maybe the Halotestin. I'm partial to Anadrol because it has given me the most strength, also Dbol has been very nice mentally. Some think Anadrol or Dbol cause too much water retention. Anadrol kills appetite in many. But someone might argue that all those orals would produce approximately the same amount of tissue in the end. Some love Winstrol, Jay Cutler supposedly always talked about Winstrol being his favorite, but some complain of joint pain, everyone on forums get joint pain but I suspect it's a bit of an placebo effect. Some love Anavar, good strength, no excess water, but some get stomach pains. And so on. You could even do a different oral each month or switch at any time based on feedback.

Sustanon or Testosterone as a base, doesn't matter which. Sust might leave a tender spot.

I would say the steroids are cheap for what you get. Very cheap. It shouldn't cost thousands, maybe a couple hundred a month? Maybe 6-7 bucks for a cc of test and 2 bucks or less for 50mg of Anadrol? Some pay more for coffee.

And nothing lasts. Maybe you had fun while it was ongoing. Maybe you made some good memories, something you can talk about on getbig in 10 years lol. Some pay many thousands for short trips but what do they leave you with? Just memories.

Everything has risks but IMO a one-off cycle is no big deal, no need to make it more than it is. I don't really get why so many say it's absolutely not worth it. It's a few weeks of hormones, it's not a huge deal. Years or decades of drugs - then you can start talking potentially big impacts.


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Re: Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?
« Reply #265 on: June 01, 2022, 03:38:29 PM »
You don't have to go all-in, just do a reasonable cycle. Not something that is obviously toxic but not overly wimpy either. Really, all those orals would work, except maybe the Halotestin. I'm partial to Anadrol because it has given me the most strength, also Dbol has been very nice mentally. Some think Anadrol or Dbol cause too much water retention. Anadrol kills appetite in many. But someone might argue that all those orals would produce approximately the same amount of tissue in the end. Some love Winstrol, Jay Cutler supposedly always talked about Winstrol being his favorite, but some complain of joint pain, everyone on forums get joint pain but I suspect it's a bit of an placebo effect. Some love Anavar, good strength, no excess water, but some get stomach pains. And so on. You could even do a different oral each month or switch at any time based on feedback.

Sustanon or Testosterone as a base, doesn't matter which. Sust might leave a tender spot.

I would say the steroids are cheap for what you get. Very cheap. It shouldn't cost thousands, maybe a couple hundred a month? Maybe 6-7 bucks for a cc of test and 2 bucks or less for 50mg of Anadrol? Some pay more for coffee.

And nothing lasts. Maybe you had fun while it was ongoing. Maybe you made some good memories, something you can talk about on getbig in 10 years lol. Some pay many thousands for short trips but what do they leave you with? Just memories.

Everything has risks but IMO a one-off cycle is no big deal, no need to make it more than it is. I don't really get why so many say it's absolutely not worth it. It's a few weeks of hormones, it's not a huge deal. Years or decades of drugs - then you can start talking potentially big impacts.

That was a good post.

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« Reply #266 on: June 01, 2022, 03:50:06 PM »
Matt while I’m no van bilderass I’m just gonna say for your goals I would just take a little test and an oral and judging from what you want I would take anavar with the test. That way you get strong and don’t become a bloat bag and lose it all when your done. Also steer clear of GH and most definitely insulin. You want a mild cycle and fear for your health so insulin should be as far off the table as possible.

You know...one reason why I didn't really pursue PED's was due to my lackluster first couple of cycles.

I guess I was such an extreme ectomorph [as well as young], that they just didn't impress me that much.

Perhaps running minimal cycles for 12 weeks only was part of the problem?

I can tell you - my 2006 cycle was exellent:

500mg testosterone enanthate.
250mg EQ [^ both weekly].
25mg Dianabol [daily].

Now THAT was a cycle...

Also, all my wimpy oral cycles under 20mg daily for a month were all effective.

Is it that there is no point in running test for only 12 weeks, because that is when it just starts kicking in?

Maybe that's why I found the orals effective, but not the oil bases I was running.

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« Reply #267 on: June 01, 2022, 03:56:25 PM »
You know...one reason why I didn't really pursue PED's was due to my lackluster first couple of cycles.

I guess I was such an extreme ectomorph [as well as young], that they just didn't impress me that much.

Perhaps running minimal cycles for 12 weeks only was part of the problem?

I can tell you - my 2006 cycle was exellent:

500mg testosterone enanthate.
250mg EQ [^ both weekly].
25mg Dianabol [daily].

Now THAT was a cycle...

Also, all my wimpy oral cycles under 20mg daily for a month were all effective.

Is it that there is no point in running test for only 12 weeks, because that is when it just starts kicking in?

Maybe that's why I found the orals effective, but not the oil bases I was running.

That’s prob it, I remember doing test a long time ago and I would just run it till I felt like coming off, I was on for 2 years straight while mixing in deca and eq off and on. But to me the best cycles were low dose orals as well. Dbol at 20mgs a day for 8 weeks was my favorite. Also a bombs for 4 weeks was crazy as well. You are strong and look good and I think you would look great and get what you want off another low dose cycle. Run test for 20 weeks and do the dbol for 6 then break then take another oral for 6 weeks and be done. I’m sure you will be strong as an ox. But I sit here with low test and dr script that’s been filled and I still haven’t taken it yet. So I’m speaking from my past self as now I’m afraid to shoot dr prescribed, haha.

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« Reply #268 on: June 01, 2022, 04:04:12 PM »
You don't have to go all-in, just do a reasonable cycle. Not something that is obviously toxic but not overly wimpy either. Really, all those orals would work, except maybe the Halotestin. I'm partial to Anadrol because it has given me the most strength, also Dbol has been very nice mentally. Some think Anadrol or Dbol cause too much water retention. Anadrol kills appetite in many. But someone might argue that all those orals would produce approximately the same amount of tissue in the end. Some love Winstrol, Jay Cutler supposedly always talked about Winstrol being his favorite, but some complain of joint pain, everyone on forums get joint pain but I suspect it's a bit of an placebo effect. Some love Anavar, good strength, no excess water, but some get stomach pains. And so on. You could even do a different oral each month or switch at any time based on feedback.

Sustanon or Testosterone as a base, doesn't matter which. Sust might leave a tender spot.

I would say the steroids are cheap for what you get. Very cheap. It shouldn't cost thousands, maybe a couple hundred a month? Maybe 6-7 bucks for a cc of test and 2 bucks or less for 50mg of Anadrol? Some pay more for coffee.

And nothing lasts. Maybe you had fun while it was ongoing. Maybe you made some good memories, something you can talk about on getbig in 10 years lol. Some pay many thousands for short trips but what do they leave you with? Just memories.

Everything has risks but IMO a one-off cycle is no big deal, no need to make it more than it is. I don't really get why so many say it's absolutely not worth it. It's a few weeks of hormones, it's not a huge deal. Years or decades of drugs - then you can start talking potentially big impacts.

Thanks Van.

I am concerned about fake - or even overdosed - GH.

Would anabolics and insulin be ok?

I can GUARANTEE the purity of the insulin - more than the actual anabolics. GH...I'd have to put out feelers such my juicer friends, to see who has access.

Come to think of it - I have a friend who uses GH, but we haven't spoke for a year.

One thing just came up - so my doctor wants to rule out autoimmune diseases, that are correlated with high TSH / slow thyroid. But this seems unlikely, since the only thing off is my TSH [my Thyroxine is fine, and within range].

But here's the thing - it took me FOUR MONTHS to acquire the requisition form from him last time. And I definitely don't want to wait four months this time out.

So I think I'm going to ask him if he will have the requisition form for me by...I don't know...Monday, call it?

And if not, just start the cycle.

I really want to get going on this, and start seeing results before summer ends.

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« Reply #269 on: June 01, 2022, 04:15:48 PM »
Thanks Van.

I am concerned about fake - or even overdosed - GH.

Would anabolics and insulin be ok?

I can GUARANTEE the purity of the insulin - more than the actual anabolics. GH...I'd have to put out feelers such my juicer friends, to see who has access.

Come to think of it - I have a friend who uses GH, but we haven't spoke for a year.

One thing just came up - so my doctor wants to rule out autoimmune diseases, that are correlated with high TSH / slow thyroid. But this seems unlikely, since the only thing off is my TSH [my Thyroxine is fine, and within range].

But here's the thing - it took me FOUR MONTHS to acquire the requisition form from him last time. And I definitely don't want to wait four months this time out.

So I think I'm going to ask him if he will have the requisition form for me by...I don't know...Monday, call it?

And if not, just start the cycle.

I really want to get going on this, and start seeing results before summer ends.

You will not find over dosed GH.

Almost all UG GH is junk

If you are getting pens or kits for under **** amount they are fake.

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« Reply #270 on: June 01, 2022, 04:29:06 PM »
That’s prob it, I remember doing test a long time ago and I would just run it till I felt like coming off, I was on for 2 years straight while mixing in deca and eq off and on. But to me the best cycles were low dose orals as well. Dbol at 20mgs a day for 8 weeks was my favorite. Also a bombs for 4 weeks was crazy as well. You are strong and look good and I think you would look great and get what you want off another low dose cycle. Run test for 20 weeks and do the dbol for 6 then break then take another oral for 6 weeks and be done. I’m sure you will be strong as an ox. But I sit here with low test and dr script that’s been filled and I still haven’t taken it yet. So I’m speaking from my past self as now I’m afraid to shoot dr prescribed, haha.

Yes!

What turned me off from test was just not feeling by any means blown away by the effects.

Yet 15mg daily of Axio Labs Dbol, or literally one half of an Anadrol 50mg pill every SECOND day was enough to produce a decent result.

But I can tell you, Rob - I HATE eating. That's why I've always trained hard, but never pushed by body weight up - be it on gear or naturally.

Historically, I've definitely gone as long as six months on a perfect bodybuilding diet. Maybe even a year straight. Maybe longer. But I always revert back to my regular diet, of barely eating.

I also don't need to do natural bodybuilding to know how bad it sucks.

But I know I can devote to 3-4 months or whatever doing EVERYTHING right...just for that experience.

I have some heavyweight Strongmen friends who loved the training without the dietary discipline. It's the SAME THING WITH ME - but rather than eating too much, I eat too little!

Thanks for the advice on this, Rob. I am basically certain I will be doing something...I'm only not sure on the exact cycle details yet.

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« Reply #271 on: June 01, 2022, 04:33:51 PM »
This is like a book that you know never ends and never goes anywhere. We all want to know Matts results, but Matt will still be debating the pros and cons and planning this out long after we are all dead

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« Reply #272 on: June 01, 2022, 07:13:05 PM »
Matt, when anabolic steroids first appeared in the late fifties bodybuilders soon experimented with them but kept any results to themselves or shared with close friends. The rest of us knew nothing about them except they worked. The magazines warned about possible side effects such as cancer. In those days one had to be reckless to gamble with health. I searched the medical journals at university and the consensus was anabolic steroids didn’t work. Reminds me of your mediocre results in the past. Why did bodybuilders know that Dianabol worked but the researchers didn’t? Simple answer…unless calories are increased substantially little hypertrophy will occur. Trying anabolics without increasing food intake will not deliver satisfactory gains. You should know all this but your brain requires specific, accurate information before you can proceed. Does anyone here expect you to change the way you look? You have plenty of people here who you have to show!

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« Reply #273 on: June 01, 2022, 08:04:16 PM »
Off-topic...but was Layne Norton natural??

I mean, what's the consensus on that?

https://web.archive.org/web/20100204123420/www.bodybuildingpro.com/laynenorton.html

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« Reply #274 on: June 01, 2022, 08:15:26 PM »
This is like a book that you know never ends and never goes anywhere. We all want to know Matts results, but Matt will still be debating the pros and cons and planning this out long after we are all dead

Lol!!!

You know me too well, B. Hank.

Nah - I'm it in this time.

Initially, I was up for doing 750mg to 1,000mg total anabolics for 12 weeks. Now I realized that I previously employed the precautionary principle run amok in my only real cycles from 2004-2005-2006.

Twelve weeks was not enough time. I mean, heck - when does testosterone even kick in? Weeks 4-8 somewhere? By "kick in", I mean when you would truly sense it as the end user.

This is why since 2006, I only did about maybe 4-5 wimpy oral cycles...because even that little boost from 15mg of Dianabol daily for a month was effective.

I have never truly done a real oil-base gear cycle [for any REAL length of time - not just 8-12 weeks].

So my plan would be 750mg of oil + orals, to total 750-1,000 milligrams of total anabolics.

Honestly, I was not thinking insulin and GH and everything. My pancreas is in phenomenal health, and I worry about messing it up and becoming diabetic, but that's probably an ignorant statement.

When a retired pro [BFG - probably Tom Prince] posted here, he said that Dennis Wolf was afraid of eating a meal without insulin. I do NOT want that.

I'm doing this for a quick fix type summer look - because I enjoy seeing heads turn when I leave the gym in a tank top. I'll go post some screenshots from videos that show what I'm talking about.

B. Hank - I KNOW that people turn their head and look at you when you're out in a tank top. Despite all the claims made on here to the contrary, not many people look like you.

I know wes and Vince B. have had people look at them like this too. You need not be an IFBB pro to have people turn their heads.

I would also like that "shelf" look for my chest that you and wes have, but let's be honest - steroids are not magic.

I'm eager to see how big my delts get though. And I have ok arms too, in a tank top.

If I get any physical or mental health issues from the cycle, I can cut it off and commence PCT.

Time will tell, but - I'm ready to start within T minus ten days.