Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?

[Matt]

Matt, when anabolic steroids first appeared in the late fifties bodybuilders soon experimented with them but kept any results to themselves or shared with close friends. The rest of us knew nothing about them except they worked. The magazines warned about possible side effects such as cancer. In those days one had to be reckless to gamble with health. I searched the medical journals at university and the consensus was anabolic steroids didn’t work. Reminds me of your mediocre results in the past. Why did bodybuilders know that Dianabol worked but the researchers didn’t? Simple answer…unless calories are increased substantially little hypertrophy will occur. Trying anabolics without increasing food intake will not deliver satisfactory gains. You should know all this but your brain requires specific, accurate information before you can proceed. Does anyone here expect you to change the way you look? You have plenty of people here who you have to show!

I'm willing to fully "eat bro" for the course of this cycle.

I'm not starting unless I have a one month supply of food in my fridge.

Let me tell you - I HATE eating. It's a very natural state for me to be in a caloric deficit. But for 16 weeks, I'm all in when it comes to this cycle.

I can revert back to 170 after. Though I may settle at about 182, which is about the heaviest I can get without my waist expanding.

My waist is 29" at 170-lb, but I can an inch on my waist for every 5-lb I gain naturally. I don't mind a 31" waist at just about 180-lb, but I don't want a 33" waist at 190 - though I MAY be willing to go to that size.

My selection in being so light for so many years was for a combination of reasons - health, aesthetics...women. I got to a physique that women liked, and that factored in to my motivation.

Health was my biggest constraint though.

That being said - I don't mind ignoring my health worries just for one cycle. All my health tests have been good - not just good, but perfect. And that includes an ultrasound of my heart, and an ultrasound of lower digestive tract.

Heck, even my dental health is perfect.

No reason not to do a one-off cycle.

Also, I want the memories. And natural bodybuilding sucks...I picked the right sport for being drug-free.

You know I competed in local strongman contests between 2011 to 2016, and I did ok, against men out-weighing me by  anywhere from 20-130 pounds. Finally, Canada got weight classes for strongman in 2016, and I did my first one in 2017, and BOOM - 18th in Canada in my weight class.

I always enjoyed progress in the gym eating like a bird, but still getting stronger from one workout to the next. But natural bodybuilding, even if I did it for a decade, would have amounted to...what...being 185-lb at 10% body fat? If that?

The human body has no reason to hold muscle.

Also, it will be nice to bulk up without my waist growing - and I really can't do that without steroids.

I look at it this way - I'm 40 now. How many years do I have left to look my best? Not too many, before my skin starts to get loose, and waist expands, etc.

I want to do this while I can still make results similar to when I was 25-30-35...and the window for that is getting shorter by the day.

I can keep the momentum going for 16 weeks. But natural bodybuilding for years would bore me. Let's be honest...who gains muscle naturally?

I just want to do it, and...let the chips fall where they may.

[Matt]

I just mind my own business in the gym...and I am always intrigued watching videos and noting people watching the full lift when I didn't even notice.

And leaving the gym in a tank top after a chest day pump - people look. There was once a woman driving waiting at a red lighhhh - pulled as close to the walkway as she could...creeping up, ready to drive off as soon as it turned green. I then walked up, to cross perpendicular to her, but the light was amber.

The light then went green, and she waited a second, and without looking right at her, I could see her head turned at me.

Happens all the time. And that's me at 170. I can't imagine the ego trip bodybuilders get, being looked at all the time.

So I just want that to be amplified a bit. Enjoy the ego trip...and then go back to my normal shape - still in good everyday shape, but not that tight and pumped look you can only really get from gear.

Also - it's not like I've never used gear. I know the outcome, and I like it. I don't want to depend on steroids, but I do want the memories.

[Matt]

^ That Black dude in the picture later befriended me because he is was so impressed with my lifts.

HOWEVER...I think I've figured it out: it's not that my lifts are that impressive. It's seeing a guy MY SIZE putting 225 on the bar, and benching it for 20 reps, weighing 170. THAT is why people watch me in the gym.

As for why people look at me in a tank top - I think it's because I have a physique that's sort of attainable. But ultimately, it's nice to have people look at you like that.

Why does anyone train, really? Looking good to others definitely plays a role.

But I'm going into this knowing it will be a temporary thing.  But then again - what isn't?

[Vince B]

The human body has no reason to hold muscle.

I just want to do it, and...let the chips fall where they may.

Hypertrophy is the body's response to certain demands put on it. This overcompensation is related to specific stresses encountered or applied. If you understand hypertrophy you can control what happens to your muscles...more or less. It isn't as easy as most people think. So you have to stress your muscles and increase the stimulus over a period of time so adaptation is triggered. Avoid the Repeated Bout Effect. What works this week might not be sufficient to stimulate growth in the future. In a nutshell, warm up properly then increase the load until you can just do 10 reps. Start with light weights and do many more reps. When you reach the resistance that allows only 10 reps to reasonable failure rest a few minutes and keep doing sets with that same maximum weight for another 5 sets. If not sore the next day in those muscles you have to do something different. Avoid exercises that are hard to do but deliver little in the way of additional muscle. Eg., deadlifts. I doubt you will listen to this good advice. Who cares what you can deadlift except powerlifters? Get big arms and better than thin legs. You already have the shoulders.

The chips don't fall where they may when it comes to physiological processes. Understand what is required, select the method to achieve growth, and apply the protocols progressively and intensely, plus eat what you need to allow growth to occur. The test I use to determine if growth has occurred is to aim for DOMS or Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness in the target muscles. It probably isn't possible or desirable to generate DOMS in all muscles each week so pick 2 or at most 3 to get sore. I did arms and calves for a month and gained an inch on both. No drugs or supplements used. You have to avoid injury so exercise selection and how you do them is important.

[SGT BARNES]

Dude----calm down. stop analyzing everything like a chick and posting like girls talk....endless and random.

Take the juice, eat. Post less

[Vince B]

[ChristopherA]

This is like a book that you know never ends and never goes anywhere. We all want to know Matts results, but Matt will still be debating the pros and cons and planning this out long after we are all dead

When you're right you're right. Matt going on and on about some intricate cycle he's never going to take

[OlympiaGym]

Why is no one bringing up the effects that PEDs will have on the OP’s mental functioning? It’s clear from his posts in this thread alone that he has severe mental illness. In the videos you can see he has that look in his eyes of someone who is “off.” Is it a good idea to be encouraging someone like this to be taking substances that will alter his mental state? Hormone manipulation definitely has an impact on how one feels mentally. Imagine the OP on tren? Even mild compounds may drive him over the edge. It’s obvious the best course of action for the OP is to stay far away from anything that might alter his already fragile mental state.

[Matt]

When you're right you're right. Matt going on and on about some intricate cycle he's never going to take

 

Very small chance people like MCWAY can talk me out of it.

But now that I have done extensive medical tests including - blood test, urine test, heart ultrasound, lower digestive tract ultrasound, blood pressure tests multiple times, blood sugar tests multiple times, and the only result outside of the normal range was my thyroid, ironically from not eating ENOUGH in a plight to be so healthy, it just made me stop and ask myself why the fuck I'm so scared to live.

So now being so cautious and conservative has prevented me from using PED's in any serious way, when I am one of the most dedicated gym rats I know.

For MCWAY to say I shouldn't use - well then, WHO THE FUCK SHOULD?

As for "eating more" - pfft. Yeah, I can bulk up to 200-lb with a 35" waist...sure. or I could be 185-lb, and much tighter with a 30" waist on PED's.

Tell me something, ChristopherA - is it wrong for me to sys this cycle is about as unhealthy as a summer of drinking?

People here [MCWAY] should be talking me IN to using...not talking me OUT of it. I talked myself out of it for years.

And NO, I don't want to do this naturally, lol. I'm doing this for bette workouts, better and MORE PRONOUNCED AND PROLONGED PUMPS - none of which I can get naturally even IF I do EVERYTHING right. As for "Why not eat perfectly, instead of use juice?" Why not do both?

Also, I don't want to be eating six meals a day and drinking a gallon of water a day or more for months on end. I want the results of 18 months, compacted into 3-4 months, if not better results. ONLY juice will do that.

That all said, I am thinking 750-1,000mg of total gear weekly. I am not thinking of GH or insulin.

If this one-off cycle goes well, I can always add GH next year. Since I get VASTLY better pumps off wimpy oral cycles, I'm assuming 750mg of oil-based gear for 16 weeks on top of that should be incredible.

I want to do a cycle so I can make the same gains from 18 months of doing everything right, in only 3-4 months of doing everything right. I have NO INTEREST in the eating, the drinking [water], and all the pissing and shitting it will take to get to the physique level I want to *temporarily* achieve. I want to do that faster. Which is ultimately the reason *anyone* uses steroids.

[Matt]

Why is no one bringing up the effects that PEDs will have on the OP’s mental functioning? It’s clear from his posts in this thread alone that he has severe mental illness. In the videos you can see he has that look in his eyes of someone who is “off.” Is it a good idea to be encouraging someone like this to be taking substances that will alter his mental state? Hormone manipulation definitely has an impact on how one feels mentally. Imagine the OP on tren? Even mild compounds may drive him over the edge. It’s obvious the best course of action for the OP is to stay far away from anything that might alter his already fragile mental state.

Ah yes - the Getbig psychologist.

I covered all of this extensively, and there is nothing wrong with me psychologically.

Except being infuriated at the actions of my government.

Do you realize there was basically a two-year lockdown in Canada? Maybe that didn't impact YOU, but unfortunately it impacted me.

And I straight up wrote my city's police service - I'm not complying with ANY of this stuff.

I e-mailed the district health unit in my city and said if they do a door-to-door vaccination program, I'd respond to it like a murder attempt.

Sounds insane right? Listen, dude - YOU can submit and comply to this globohomo forever-lockdown bullshit as much as YOU want...I won't be doing shit!

And if the police want me to comply:

THEN CHANGE THE FUCKING LAW.

I'm sure you got your vaccine like a good boy. 

I want ALL my Getbig friends to know this - and ALL of my friends and family and EVERYONE to know this. I don't comply with tyranny. I have an EXPECTATION that my government abide by the law.

You make it sound like I would just target random people: anyone I might ever do anything to specifically did something to me.

Just like the cop whose face I smashed in 2007, after he repeatedly stopped and searched me because one of my university friends I was hanging out with had an opiate problem.

I told that fuck about half a dozen times to let it go - that I'd inform my lawyer...seek justice. But he didn't listen.

But after I smashed his face and the matter went to court, he eventually had to listen to the judge. 

OlympiaGym:

If you think I would harm or assault someone, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I have no tolerance for shit in real life - a couple of times INCLUDING WITH THE POLICE - I have had to explain I will use physical force if they violate my rights.

And - just like my pandemic issue with the police - I was given written assurance that my rights wouldn't be violated.

So if you think I would hurt someone - YOU'RE FUCKING RIGHT I WOULD. And that includes anyone violating my rights, FIRST AND FOREMOST.

Thank God for the truckers - that's all I can say.

But anyway, OlympiaGym, if you think I'd hurt random people, you are absolutely wrong.

And FYI - I have experience doing the first [targeting someone in self-defense], but no history of harming an innocent person.

So if you think I would hurt someone, all I can say: yes, I would. But that person absolutely had it coming. Also, I don't want to live under communism. And I know I won't tolerate my government breaking the law.

So I may be in jail within the next 10-15 years. And I've accepted that. I'm not going to sit and comply as China takes over Canada. That's absurd. 

As for my mental state otherwise - yeah...MALAISE.

GEE, I WONDER IF THAT WAS BECAUSE GYMS WERE CLOSED FOR 500 DAYS HERE, AND I WAS SETTLING MASSIVE LEGAL FUCKING ACTION CASE WITH THR POLICE ON MY TOWN.

Next time, I'll just comply the whole time like you did. 

Fuck that.

Gyms are open now - and if ANYONE attempts to enforce pandemic shit on me in the future..yeah...I'll probably end up in jail.

So?

I had a specific mental problem SPECIFICALLY caused by nearly two years of lockdowns. NO FUCKING SHIT I WOULD. Three of my friends lost over $100,000 during the plandemic joke. Another friend lost TWO FRIENDS to suicide.

But you noticed I had a hard time with the plandemic, OlympiaGym? INCREDIBLE. I wonder if the 16% increase in suicides in Japan in 2020 would suggest I was the only one? 

But yeah, I did struggle badly with the plandemic. I just hate that I spent a year of it fighting a fucking legal case against the cops. That took a lot out of me - but it's over now. Hopefully for a while.

[Rambone]

I think you need to buy a couple of DVDs on gym etiquette

[Matt]

Out of curiosity...what should I do during the next plandemic joke?

Should I just comply like every other sheep in the world, and even on this board?

It's not in my nature to comply to tyranny, unless I agree with it.

For a much more lethal pandemic, I would have complied - even if I wasn't legally required to.

I didn't comply because I knew this pandemic was a joke.

However, it did take a mental toll doing so. I STILL think I did the right thing [and God bless the truckers].

So for the next pandemic, should I just comply?

If Canadians want to be subjugated...fuck 'em.

I DO NOT think I should comply. But...I'm open minded about that.

?

[Matt]

I think you need to buy a couple of DVDs on gym etiquette

DVD's?

[bhank]

Ok first let me say I am flattered Matt wants to look like me. But if that is the case why not listen to me and do what I do. You are not going to look like me at 180lbs I do actually weigh 215lbs in that pic.  I am telling you I eat 5-6k calories a day and stay on year round. I do not take insulin and have not been taking HGH just Test no orals they will mess up your stomach and digestion if taking too much or too long just not needed. You talk about your waist getting bigger you need to accept a few concepts here first and foremost bulking you will have a belly at the end of the day because you will have food digesting in your stomach and intestines. That doesn't mean you perm grew your gut it will all be gone once it is digested but you never really want it all gone and digested as you want to keep pushing the food. When you are pushing 5-6k calories a day and your body is growing it will lean out quick as hell when you drop the calories. You already know how to train just keep training but dramatically increase the food taking peds without extra calories is a waste of money and time. Let your body grow then adjust after you have added 20+ pounds. The main question is if you want to go with or without an anti estrogen without you will grow faster but your will look softer. With you will look better but grow slower and even possibly get joint and tendon pain. I suggest without then using once you have added the size you want to dry back out. 500mg cruise year round up the dose as high as you want for your blast if you really want an extra kick. Orals really are if you are tired of jabbing yourself which you shouldn't be if you are only on 500mg but sure throw in whatever else you want but the Test needs to be your base and it needs to be year round forget "Cycle" your conversion rate also goes down with age it takes more exogenous test to get the same test blood level as you get older that is why TRT needs to go up with age. While 250mg a week might have done something when you were 25 it won't do shit at 40. All these guys talk about how they blew up on 250mg dont mention it was their first cycle at 25 years old. When you are 40 and it's not your first (its not your first you are not natural no matter how many times you claim otherwise) 250 wont do a damn thing. You need more

[IroNat]

[Van_Bilderass]

Test needs to be your base and it needs to be year round forget "Cycle" your conversion rate also goes down with age it takes more exogenous test to get the same test blood level as you get older that is why TRT needs to go up with age. While 250mg a week might have done something when you were 25 it won't do shit at 40. All these guys talk about how they blew up on 250mg dont mention it was their first cycle at 25 years old. When you are 40 and it's not your first (its not your first you are not natural no matter how many times you claim otherwise) 250 wont do a damn thing. You need more

I always say this. Guys think the gear got weaker but most of the time it's that your body is older. You will not respond as well when older. An old body doesn't even respond the same to food - there was a study showing old people needed 40g of protein vs 20 for young guys, to achieve the same protein synthesis.

Regarding dosages. There are actually some outliers that need 500mg of test to get to a blood level someone else achieved with 200mg. I recently read how 300mg put many in a range some teens achieve at their highest natural output. So 250mg can be disappointing in many or most cases if you want "PED" results. In a few cases 250mg can be a miracle and a guy puts on 10lbs in a few months, which is actually a lot if lean tissue.

[Van_Bilderass]

Why is no one bringing up the effects that PEDs will have on the OP’s mental functioning? It’s clear from his posts in this thread alone that he has severe mental illness. In the videos you can see he has that look in his eyes of someone who is “off.” Is it a good idea to be encouraging someone like this to be taking substances that will alter his mental state? Hormone manipulation definitely has an impact on how one feels mentally. Imagine the OP on tren? Even mild compounds may drive him over the edge. It’s obvious the best course of action for the OP is to stay far away from anything that might alter his already fragile mental state.

Hormones have powerful effects on the mind, no doubt. But from what I've seen steroids often calm down unhinged guys. Anyone else seen this? Tren might be a special case though. I've never really seen guys spaz out when juicing, though tren may be different, then road rage and things like that aren't too uncommon.

[Van_Bilderass]

That all said, I am thinking 750-1,000mg of total gear weekly. I am not thinking of GH or insulin.

If this one-off cycle goes well, I can always add GH next year. Since I get VASTLY better pumps off wimpy oral cycles, I'm assuming 750mg of oil-based gear for 16 weeks on top of that should be incredible.

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Yeah don't worry about GH or insulin unless the GH sort of falls into your lap. It would be a great add on, especially at an older age. Like I said, one of the reasons teens grow so well on anabolics is naturally high GH output. There are some secretagogues that increase natural GH that wouldn't hurt either but don't worry about it.

[Walter Sobchak]

Why is no one bringing up the effects that PEDs will have on the OP’s mental functioning? It’s clear from his posts in this thread alone that he has severe mental illness. In the videos you can see he has that look in his eyes of someone who is “off.” Is it a good idea to be encouraging someone like this to be taking substances that will alter his mental state? Hormone manipulation definitely has an impact on how one feels mentally. Imagine the OP on tren? Even mild compounds may drive him over the edge. It’s obvious the best course of action for the OP is to stay far away from anything that might alter his already fragile mental state.

I might have mentioned that….😂

[Rambone]

DVD's?

 

[Walter Sobchak]

Hormones have powerful effects on the mind, no doubt. But from what I've seen steroids often calm down unhinged guys. Anyone else seen this? Tren might be a special case though. I've never really seen guys spaz out when juicing, though tren may be different, then road rage and things like that aren't too uncommon.

Oh come on.

There is a reason the term roid rage exists.

This isn’t a guy with an anger management issue, this is a full-blown, school shooter type wackjob, with an altered sense of entitlement and reality.

[bhank]

Stop worrying and just do it

[Matt]

This is after drinking 1/3 of a Monster Energy drink, and eating an $0.88 Caramilk bar from Wal-Mart.

I'm pleased with this - anything under 120/80 is great, but...anything under 110/70 is even better.

Anything between 100/60 to 110/70 is where I want to be.

And THIS IS WHY I STAY 170, PEOPLE.

I would bet any money just being 250 - even if you are pretty lean - you are going to be taking a decade off your life.

That's why I just want to do one good cycle - post some impressive lifts [I expect to get the 110-lb dumbbells for reps in the seated overhead dumbbell press, for example] - and be done with it.

This blood pressure machine doesn't belong to me - and the person who owns it uses it every day and has NEVER seen a person with blood pressure this low.

Remember that fatass Sarcasm who used to post here, and make fun of people's physique? Meanwhile, he was 5'11" and 320-lb, and died at like 47, because he was just a health mess?

There are a lot of such liars on this board.

We should have another Mr. Getbig contest.

I'd bet any money that B. Hank would place top three - if not win it.

We should do a 275-lb deadlift for reps contest. I got 225x23 in the 2007 contest. I would get 275 for at least 23 if we did that again.

Guaranteed I'd be top three.

People are such lying sacks of complete shit.

Like me or hate me - I can verify all my claims.

[Matt]

Stop worrying and just do it

Wow! I didn't know you just posted that.

I'm assuming that's the same type of blood pressure machine like the one I used above?

Is it normal for blood pressure to go to 180/130 on gear? And...? Is that fine because it's temporary?

Anyway, there are a lot of mouthy members behind screen names here, B. Hank. I respect you and wes for proving your claims. I also don't have a problem with anonymous posters...but I DO have a problem with that when they are mouthy and making claims that are bull.

I shouldn't be bitter about Sarcasm [RIP] since he's dead now...but he was an example of someone who would trash people behind a screen name, when in reality, he was an obese fat man.

Honestly, B. Hank - if we had another Mr. Getbig contest, you would likely win it, based on how members look TODAY.

[Skeletor]

Wow! I didn't know you just posted that.

I'm assuming that's the same type of blood pressure machine like the one I used above?

Is it normal for blood pressure to go to 180/130 on gear? And...? Is that fine because it's temporary?

Anyway, there are a lot of mouthy members behind screen names here, B. Hank. I respect you and wes for proving your claims. I also don't have a problem with anonymous posters...but I DO have a problem with that when they are mouthy and making claims that are bull.

I shouldn't be bitter about Sarcasm [RIP] since he's dead now...but he was an example of someone who would trash people behind a screen name, when in reality, he was an obese fat man.

Honestly, B. Hank - if we had another Mr. Getbig contest, you would likely win it, based on how members look TODAY.

Do you fear for his health?