Every study on caloric restriction in rodents, and every study on longevity, specifically super-centenarians. I think you said you were 220-lb. You're literally carrying around 50-lb of unnecessary mass. Muscle or not, it taxes your body, and reduces your organ and systemic integrity. I stay at 170 as a conscious health decision. On enough PED's, I'd be 250 for sure. I've been as heavy as 213 naturally. I don't want to weigh that much because in general, it is less healthy than weighing less.
As far as putting in the effort in eating - I don't want to do it. I will do it temporarily, just for kicks, but only temporarily. I have no interest in adding 50-lb of unnecessary body weight that you have on me. That's doing nothing good for your health, and I can guarantee you that me doing a one-off cycle and going up 15+ pounds for a few months is nowhere near as bad as you carrying 50+ pounds more than me for literally 15+ years. That's 15 years of your heart beating for 50 more pounds of mass, which does absolutely nothing for your health. Arguably, there are social benefits to being 220, that likely impact your morale, which is correlated with good health.
Though if you are natural, if I had to guess, you'd be 170 cut, if that. Of course you have no pictures, so if I had to guess, I look better than you. Even if not bigger - I suspect I look better/more aesthetic, and am probably facially more handsome than you, with better teeth and hair.
Earth to Matt: We ain't rats. Who cares what the books say? If the "studies" don't apply to you, you do something else that does. You are the one, constantly yelping about how it "sucks" to be natural, while engaging in perpetually ineffective practices, simply because some book or some study told you how you're supposed to eat.
As for my health, I just had a physical less than two months ago, and it's a thumbs-up from my doctor. So, there goes another nail in the coffin for your so-called studies.
If you want to think you look better than I do, knock yourself out. I'm not competing against you; so I couldn't care less.
Do you suppose maybe that's why I don't give a fuck about radically changing my physique? I already have a look that I quite like, and the amount of work required for me to make MARGINAL improvements while REDUCING my health is just not worth it.
Why the fuck would I pay money and spend time to cook and clean and shit and piss and far more, while reducing my health in the process? Do you understand that not everyone has the same goals you do?
If that were the case, you wouldn't be blubbering incessantly, wailing about getting the sacred syringes, merely to obtain modest results that you could have obtained without them months ago.
BTW, what so-called study did you unearth that gave you the ridiculous notion that you'd somehow would not have to use the restroom or cook or clean or spend as much money.........DESPITE INCREASING YOUR CALORIES AND PROTEIN LEVELS (which you plan on doing for at least 16 weeks)......simply because you're now taking steroids?
And, O strawman-erecting one, I never mentioned anything about your radically changing your physique. I believe I referred to the gains you were seeking as "modest". I merely mentioned 300-lb bodybuilders to make the point that I learned years ago: Steroids or no steroids, if I want to make serious gains in size and strength, I have to put away the calories....PERIOD!
Guys who took steroids told me that; guys who didn't take steroids told me that.
Every time I saw a bodybuilder with 20 years of sauce in him, go back to looking like he never picked up a weight in his life, literally within 1-3 years of getting off the juice completely, I realized how fake bodybuilding was.
Dollars to donuts, those bodybuilders stopped doing EVERYTHING ELSE (eating, training, etc) as well. And that doesn't even take injuries or health issues into the equation.
If guys are still training and eating and modify their routines of both accordingly, they will STILL be big, even if they aren't as massive as they once were on the sauce. They may be SMALLER, but they won't be small.
I can walk into ANY GYM IN THIS CITY, and be fittest and strongest person there 90% of the time. As for your claims, you're probably like Sarcasm [RIP] who would shit on everyone, only to later be outed as being 5'11" and 320-lb and obese [and ugly].
Guaranteed, Walter Sobchak is just as fat and ugly. I can guarantee that I'm stronger, faster, richer, better looking, better educatye, and have more money than him.
As for your interest in being a natural bodybuilder - with all due respect, I think it's fucking retarded. Again, you are carrying 50-lb of unnecessary mass that does nothing but hurt your health.
I will NOT spend 18 months to make those gains. I'm fine spending 16 weeks doing it. I'm already finding all this eating and shitting annoying.
Then your city and gym must be very small. Because if you come to mine, you'll get your feelings hurt really quickly. And, I don't even train at a place that folks would consider "hardcore". At 185 lbs, you would be nowhere NEAR the biggest, strongest, fittest, nor best-looking where I train.....NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!
And where do you keep getting this foolishness about 18 months?
I don't have the same goals as you, and since you won't post a picture, I'm fairly confident in saying that you obviously look like shit.
You are neither better looking than me, nor have a better physique than me, so with respect, MCWAY: shut the fuck up.
Yeah - FOR 16 WEEKS, YOU DUMB FUCK.
You are carrying 50-lb of mass on me [and are almost certainly fatter than me] FOR A LIFETIME.
When you do the math, the health risk I'm taking - something I concede - is still healthier than had I pursued natural bodybuilding over the past 15 years.
Also, for all the deaths in pro bodybuilding, it's been diuretics that are much more damaging than the bulking agents. It seems to me that the chemicals are certainly a part of it, but being over 300-lb is another part. I would say the bigger part, but it's hard to know for sure.
Anyway, as I said - I'm sure you look like shit. Hence why you have never posted a photo. I post my pictures and get made fun of, yet I went to the biggest facility in town last week, and without any doubt, I had the best male physique in the entire building.
People making fun of my physique on here are just...frankly, just fucking delusional. It's weird. Message boards are retarded at times.
But as I said, I am sure you look like garbage, hence why you don't post photos of yourself.
So, for four months, you're going to take steroids and eat more calories and protein to gain 30 lbs.
Then, you're going to STOP using steroids, quit eating as much, and go back to your suspect training routine......which will RESULT in your LOSING those 30 lbs (or more) and being even more of a basket case than you currently are.
And you call me "DUMB"?
I'm not the one, whining about what I can or can't do without steroids. Again, you keep posting this ridiculous argument that it would take you 18 months to make the gains you want, without the needle. That's absurd!
I know firsthand, because I've been able to do so, in far less time. You want to go from 183 to 215? I went from 189 to 210 back in 1996, during my college years. And I did so without steroids (as mentioned earlier, I could barely afford weight gainers and protein powder, back in the day), in one college semester.....which is somewhere around 16 weeks.
Guys who do take steroids, who have posted their pictures, WHO ARE BIGGER THAN YOU (and bigger than me) have told you REPEATEDLY that such is not the case. They also told you that your current training and diet protocols are horrible.
Your warped version of "natural bodybuilding" speaks for itself: Eating too few calories, training way too frequently, not recovering adequately, and especially DOING THE SAME MESS REPEATEDLY simply because some "study" told you this is what you're supposed to do.
Plus, if your brain were functionally correctly, you would recall that I (and several others) have stated that what you were doing was utterly STUPID, even if you are taking steroids.
