Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?

[bhank]

Thanks Cook!

I'm pretty excited about it, and I can already see the results , and that's despite having a nutritionally lackluster first week, and even a night of drinking on Tuesday [stupid, stupid].

But I'll be eating much, now in Week 2.

Is Cook your name? Or are you a papered chef? 

My issue, without ANY DOUBT, is eating enough.

My freezer is literally filled with meat - so I have no excuse to not eat enough. I just need to get my toddler appetite up. 

Matt your stomach is like a balloon once you start eating more it starts to stretch and takes more to fill up same with when you eat less it shrinks. You will get more hungry as you start to eat more daily if you eat a ton of food today you will find you need more to fill up tomorrow. Your appetite should grow with you

[Cook]

Thanks Cook!

I'm pretty excited about it, and I can already see the results , and that's despite having a nutritionally lackluster first week, and even a night of drinking on Tuesday [stupid, stupid].

But I'll be eating much, now in Week 2.

Is Cook your name? Or are you a papered chef? 

My issue, without ANY DOUBT, is eating enough.

My freezer is literally filled with meat - so I have no excuse to not eat enough. I just need to get my toddler appetite up. 

yeah Cook is my name.Maybe I should have put more thought into my username and come up with some kickass handle.Oh well and I agree eating enough if you are eating the right things can become a chore in itself.Get in the daily habit and don’t over think everything and you’ll be ok.Good luck

[Matt]

You have to remember Matt reading about how pro bodybuilders eat prodigious amounts of food has nothing to do with the everyday lifter or bodybuilder.....sure they eat a lot but the guys like Francois, Ronnie, Ramy etc. are eating for a person that weighs around three bills or more.

Eating really excessive amounts of food means that you either shit/piss out the waste that your body never utilized because it truly didn`t need it, and/or you get fat.

You have to train hard enough for the body to require such amounts of food and most people don`t approach that level of training intensity plus those guys are literally on a veritable boatload of drugs that no sane person no matter what his goals may be would ever think of using.

And that's the thing - seeing massive 300-lb'ers get health problems scared me away from every modest natural bodybuilding.

But as I said - I'm a hypochondriac, so that's how it played out.

But I literally went through just about every medical test possible, and the results were not just good - but basically perfect.

And then a giant weight was lifted, and that's when I said - this time, I WILL do a proper cycle, with the PED's, high calories, and everything else.

I'm ALL IN this time - for real.

Thanks for the advice, Tim - I've loved this first week so far, and I look forward to the next 15. 

[Matt]

Matt your stomach is like a balloon once you start eating more it starts to stretch and takes more to fill up same with when you eat less it shrinks. You will get more hungry as you start to eat more daily if you eat a ton of food today you will find you need more to fill up tomorrow. Your appetite should grow with you

Do you think I could double my calories from 1,100 to 2,200 within one week from today, and be comfortable there, without feeling as bloated a full as I was this week when trying to do that, and get 5L of water in too at the time [which I intend to drop to 3L].

[Matt]

yeah Cook is my name.Maybe I should have put more thought into my username and come up with some kickass handle.Oh well and I agree eating enough if you are eating the right things can become a chore in itself.Get in the daily habit and don’t over think everything and you’ll be ok.Good luck

Do you have any tips and tricks to add an extra 1,000 daily calories, comfortably, Mr. Cook?

[Cook]

Do you have any tips and tricks to add an extra 1,000 daily calories, comfortably, Mr. Cook?

you know Matt getting enough calories has never been a real problem for me.One thing I do though is I keep a few cans of canned chicken with me at work for when I get hungry.It’s like tuna but tastes better to me. I open one of these and get about 50 grams of protein with only a couple hundred calories.Old time lifters like Wes and a few others can tell about all the cans of tuna they have eaten through the years I’m sure.

[wes]

you know Matt getting enough calories has never been a real problem for me.One thing I do though is I keep a few cans of canned chicken with me at work for when I get hungry.It’s like tuna but tastes better to me. I open one of these and get about 50 grams of protein with only a couple hundred calories.Old time lifters like Wes and a few others can tell about all the cans of tuna they have eaten through the years I’m sure.

I`ve gone through a ton of canned tuna, bought cases of it at a time........ate it straight out da` can! ! LOL

[IroNat]

High calorie shake:

3 raw eggs  70x3=210
4 tbls heavy cream 50x4=200
2 tbls olive oil 120x2=240
2 tbls chocolate syrup 200
1/4 cup oatmeal ?
Ice cubes

Blend

Around 1000 cals

[Gym-Rat]

you know Matt getting enough calories has never been a real problem for me.One thing I do though is I keep a few cans of canned chicken with me at work for when I get hungry.It’s like tuna but tastes better to me. I open one of these and get about 50 grams of protein with only a couple hundred calories.Old time lifters like Wes and a few others can tell about all the cans of tuna they have eaten through the years I’m sure.

w/ out the added mercury as well, good choice...

[Palumboism]

High calorie shake:

3 raw eggs
4 tbls heavy cream
2 tbls olive oil
2 tbls chocolate syrup
1/4 cup oatmeal
Ice cubes

Blend

After I saw the movie Rocky, I drank a raw egg.  I didn't like eggs for years after that.

[Palumboism]

Hey "Walter" - something I can do at 170 that you wouldn't be able to do at 250, HAHAHAHAHA.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CeN1RWeADHv/

Start the progress thread.....

[robcguns]

I`ve gone through a ton of canned tuna, bought cases of it at a time........ate it straight out da` can! ! LOL

Haha I remember eating a lot of tuna for a few months then putting chunk light in water and just drinking it cause I was sick of tuna, did that a few times than puked and stayed away from tune for many many years. Just recently started eating tuna sandwiches again and they are delicious.

[wes]

Haha I remember eating a lot of tuna for a few months then putting chunk light in water and just drinking it cause I was sick of tuna, did that a few times than puked and stayed away from tune for many many years. Just recently started eating tuna sandwiches again and they are delicious.

I hear ya`Rob.....after years of eating it, the stuff started to get disgusting so I would put a forkful of it in my mouth and quickly wash it down with water, just like taking a pill.

[Walter Sobchak]

So I think I've been very clear with my challenge to you:

Privately send a video to OneMoreRep of any lift, which you can lift with any weight advantage on me up to 70-lb.

Let's round that up, and you can weigh-in at 260-lb.

From there, I'll beat you at any lift - or every lift. And then you can write a post about how you're not as strong as someone you consider weak and pathetic.

You have a camera on your cellphone. It will take under an hour to take a cellphone video, upload it somewhere private, and send it privately to OneMoreRep.

And that will validate your claims of being stronger than me.

Of course all it would actually do is prove that I am both stronger than you, and have a better physique than you do.

But enough with the trash talk - put your money where your mouth is or STFU.

If you are as strong as you claim, you would be THRILLED to do this, and settle your claims of being better than me - for the entire board to see.

And again - if not, just STFU. I know I'm stronger than you and have a better body than you [and am better looking, richer, better educated, etc], and frankly I couldn't give a shit. Why would I attack someone not on my level? I'm attacking you because you are trashing my proven strength claims which you know full well are better than anything you've ever done.

So go prove it, if you're stronger.

But hey - we all know you can't, because you're not stronger.

That brings us back to: STFU.

Little Matthew…being able to make a point in as few words as possible is a sign of superior intellect.

Nothing you do, or about you, is impressive. You’re a delusional creepy little inferior manlet.

I’m out of the country right now, but I will send videos to Chaos later today/tonight.

I will start with a video of me sprinting. So you claim you’re faster than me, go ahead and post up a 40 yard sprint with a time included.

And get off the fucking internet and go spend some time raising your illegitimate brood of feral kids.

[Dave D]

Matt I just want to remind you if you run any cycle other than a bicycle you won’t be natural.

Think about that before you make any decision.

[robcguns]

Matt I just want to remind you if you run any cycle other than a bicycle you won’t be natural.

Think about that before you make any decision.

Hahahha that was good Dave.

[Walter Sobchak]

Matt I just want to remind you if you run any cycle other than a bicycle you won’t be natural.

Think about that before you make any decision.

I like this guy’s posts.

Very subtle but always on point.

[IroNat]

Matt lost his virginity to anadrol awhile back.

[Walter Sobchak]

Matt lost his virginity to anadrol awhile back.

Its comical watching OAK destroy the autistic manlet on the COVID-19 threads.

[Titus Pullo]

Matt,

For Christ's sake, think less about the AAS and more about Buspar or something else to calm your nerves.  I pretty much hated Sarcasm/Mirza, too.  He was a royal asshole with a sophomoric sense of humor and his ugly fat ass never backed up a single claim.  Small wonder he was practically butt pirate mates with Abeles the borderline pedophile (ask the mods; I wasn't privy the the nail in the coffin, but that creepy arrogant fuck spent *years* talking about sixteen or younger).

That said, to quote Quakerdolts, you're melting down here, and we're talking full containment breach!  You're arguing with people now about your hair, teeth and good looks?!

Take a break from here for awhile, my man.  Keep upping the calories incremental like and forget about chasing strength PRs just so you can say "I did seated presses with the 110s."  The strength will come easily, even with stricter form.  Set a new baseline with much higher, stricter reps, upwards of 20, and add a bit of weight every session until you're down to 6-8.

P.S. -- As-is, I cringed watching your machine fly video.  Pure ego training.  Your chest was collapsing and your shoulders came forward from the very first rep, dude!  Cut that 200 to 100, get a full stretch on every rep and hold it for a count of five at the bottom, without the weight touching the stack.  FEEL that shit stretching your pecs.

Then, initiate each rep with controlled power, keeping your chest high as can be, and pause in the fully contracted position for a two second count, squeezing the life out of your pecs.  Rinse and repeat until utter failure, including partials.  NO leaning forward to complete a rep.

I doubt you'd need a second set of the same, nor do I think it'd be productive -- not after the other movements you'd probably do before this . Flat bench, incline, and maybe some machine press, likely Hammer?  (I can imagine you loading up that Hammer Iso-Incline heavier than you should.  Don't lie now .)

If you give this your all, you'll do well, mate.  Just stick to a plan, stop obsessing over numbers, and as I said, if it takes a break from Getbig to put that Autistic brain on track, do that.  You're too easily distracted and defensive from the input you get here, even though most of it is constructive.  Train, enjoy the gains and come back when you're more secure in what you're doing.

[MCWAY]

Thanks wes!

That's about where I max out, when I'm weighing 170. I find it hard to get more than a double body weight bench press. So at 170, it usually ends up being about the strength from that clip.

Of course, setting a 170-lb body weight max and a 1,500 calorie a day diet [with protein just under 100g] as a limit/constraint, it shouldn't be a shock I wasn't bench pressing four plates a side.

That's why I wanted to do this cycle - just to nail the nutrition and protein requirements to maximize my potential.

In hindsight, being such a hypochondriac caused me to set limits that limited my results that I know I would have crushed had I just stopped worrying so much.

When Mike Francois said eating so much caused him his colon problems...it really detered me from eating big.

I'll be eating big for this cycle though! 

Mike Francois was one of my favorite bodybuilders back in the day. I patterned my diet somewhat after his. I read how he struggled as a mediocre light-heavyweight, until he got with a trainer named Greg Greenzalis (who was a big John Parillo disciple). For 18 months, he put Francois on a diet, ultimately pushing 10,000 calories. He bulked up to 265 lbs and his competitive weight went from 185 to 230.

He went from light-heavyweight to a Heavyweight (Super-Heavyweight, by today's standards). He went on to win MuscleMania, the NPC Nationals, Night of Champions, and the Arnold Classic.

As for colitis, there was a bodybuilder against whom Francois competed at the 1991 Southern States (Nick Silette) who also had colitis but was still competing. He won the MuscleMania show in Atlanta, the same year Francois won it in Chicago. So, that may have been an already-existing condition, which he aggravated. Actually, I have an issue of MuscleMag International with an interview with Francois after his surgery. It's buried in my garage; so, it would take a while to find it.


ESPN had a poll where fans could vote for the best of the MuscleMania champions, which Francois won handily.

You have to remember Matt reading about how pro bodybuilders eat prodigious amounts of food has nothing to do with the everyday lifter or bodybuilder.....sure they eat a lot but the guys like Francois, Ronnie, Ramy etc. are eating for a person that weighs around three bills or more.

But, eating prodigious amounts of food is how they got to be three bills in the first place.

Eating really excessive amounts of food means that you either shit/piss out the waste that your body never utilized because it truly didn`t need it, and/or you get fat.

You have to train hard enough for the body to require such amounts of food and most people don`t approach that level of training intensity plus those guys are literally on a veritable boatload of drugs that no sane person no matter what his goals may be would ever think of using.

That's more about gradually increasing the calories, not going from 2500 to 5000, but by going up 300-500 calories per day for a month or two.

When the eating became too cumbersome, I simply got the blender, broke out the eggs and milk, and drank extra calories.

There were days where I literally only had one solid meal per day, but, that was due to being too busy in school.

[wes]

Mike Francois was one of my favorite bodybuilders back in the day. I patterned my diet somewhat after his. I read how he struggled as a mediocre light-heavyweight, until he got with a trainer named Greg Greenzalis (who was a big John Parillo disciple). For 18 months, he put Francois on a diet, ultimately pushing 10,000 calories. He bulked up to 265 lbs and his competitive weight went from 185 to 230.

He went from light-heavyweight to a Heavyweight (Super-Heavyweight, by today's standards). He went on to win MuscleMania, the NPC Nationals, Night of Champions, and the Arnold Classic.

As for colitis, there was a bodybuilder against whom Francois competed at the 1991 Southern States (Nick Silette) who also had colitis but was still competing. He won the MuscleMania show in Atlanta, the same year Francois won it in Chicago. So, that may have been an already-existing condition, which he aggravated. Actually, I have an issue of MuscleMag International with an interview with Francois after his surgery. It's buried in my garage; so, it would take a while to find it.


ESPN had a poll where fans could vote for the best of the MuscleMania champions, which Francois won handily.


But, eating prodigious amounts of food is how they got to be three bills in the first place.

That's more about gradually increasing the calories, not going from 2500 to 5000, but by going up 300-500 calories per day for a month or two.

When the eating became too cumbersome, I simply got the blender, broke out the eggs and milk, and drank extra calories.

There were days where I literally only had one solid meal per day, but, that was due to being too busy in school.

Good post.

[wes]

Matt,

For Christ's sake, think less about the AAS and more about Buspar or something else to calm your nerves.  I pretty much hated Sarcasm/Mirza, too.  He was a royal asshole with a sophomoric sense of humor and his ugly fat ass never backed up a single claim.  Small wonder he was practically butt pirate mates with Abeles the borderline pedophile (ask the mods; I wasn't privy the the nail in the coffin, but that creepy arrogant fuck spent *years* talking about sixteen or younger).

That said, to quote Quakerdolts, you're melting down here, and we're talking full containment breach!  You're arguing with people now about your hair, teeth and good looks?!

Take a break from here for awhile, my man.  Keep upping the calories incremental like and forget about chasing strength PRs just so you can say "I did seated presses with the 110s."  The strength will come easily, even with stricter form.  Set a new baseline with much higher, stricter reps, upwards of 20, and add a bit of weight every session until you're down to 6-8.

P.S. -- As-is, I cringed watching your machine fly video.  Pure ego training.  Your chest was collapsing and your shoulders came forward from the very first rep, dude!  Cut that 200 to 100, get a full stretch on every rep and hold it for a count of five at the bottom, without the weight touching the stack.  FEEL that shit stretching your pecs.

Then, initiate each rep with controlled power, keeping your chest high as can be, and pause in the fully contracted position for a two second count, squeezing the life out of your pecs.  Rinse and repeat until utter failure, including partials.  NO leaning forward to complete a rep.

I doubt you'd need a second set of the same, nor do I think it'd be productive -- not after the other movements you'd probably do before this . Flat bench, incline, and maybe some machine press, likely Hammer?  (I can imagine you loading up that Hammer Iso-Incline heavier than you should.  Don't lie now .)

If you give this your all, you'll do well, mate.  Just stick to a plan, stop obsessing over numbers, and as I said, if it takes a break from Getbig to put that Autistic brain on track, do that.  You're too easily distracted and defensive from the input you get here, even though most of it is constructive.  Train, enjoy the gains and come back when you're more secure in what you're doing.

Solid training advice.

[Matt]

I still haven't gotten my calories to 1,250 daily - let alone 2,500.

I'll be done with this cycle by Independence Day unless I hit at least 2K daily.

I'm not wasting going on a stack, if I'm not maximizing it.

I'm 187-lb here. But my appetite is an absolute joke. Without any question, the average teenage girl eats more.

It does make it all the more impressive that I'm much stronger than Walter Sobchak given how little I eat.

Imagine if I even at 2,500 calories daily? I'd probably literally double his total.

[hench]

A few months back i was counting everything and i agree it's a chore. All the different combos of food and amounts, sometimes i was on the can 5 times a day with an arsehole that felt like i was wiping with sandpaper.
I defintely don't look like how I'd like because i don't eat "properly" but atleast i haven't got the constant farts, churning and needing so much time heading to the bog.

I still haven't gotten my calories to 1,250 daily - let alone 2,500.

I'll be done with this cycle by Independence Day unless I hit at least 2K daily.

I'm not wasting going on a stack, if I'm not maximizing it.

I'm 187-lb here. But my appetite is an absolute joke. Without any question, the average teenage girl eats more.

It does make it all the more impressive that I'm much stronger than Walter Sobchak given how little I eat.

Imagine if I even at 2,500 calories daily? I'd probably literally double his total.