MILOS ridiculing DORIAN for his BS HIT/science proofed training crap !!

[SF1900]

Why hasn't Hadi Rambod won multiple sandows? Or George Farah? Or Chad Nicholls?

Successful coaches have hardly ever been successful athletes and vice versa. Milos is basically the only one who was a Top level Olympian himself and is now one of the top-level coaches in the industry as well.

You clearly missed the point of my post.

Go back and re-read it.

Other people understood what I meant.

[a_pupil]

Charles Glass...

He doesn't workout like a gymnast

[Bevo]

It'd be interesting to see a gymnast on bodybuilder dosages.

Their training seems to be the most optimal for muscle building, if you cut down the stuff that causes injuries.

They are smart enough not to indulge in this cult of h0mos and schmoes

[illuminati]

It'd be interesting to see a gymnast on bodybuilder dosages.

Their training seems to be the most optimal for muscle building, if you cut down the stuff that causes injuries.

Do you Really Not Think Many of Them are Taking PED's ??

[Bevo]

Do you Really Not Think Many of Them are Taking PED's ??

Even if they are they aren’t taking nearly the dosages as a bber does, that’s a fact! Huge muscles is a no go for gymnasts, they have functional strength for their sport

[illuminati]

Even if they are they aren’t taking nearly the dosages as a bber does, that’s a fact! Huge muscles is a no go for gymnasts, they have functional strength for their sport

Hmmmm that isn't what you originally asked, is it.

How do you or I know what or how much they use.
A certain amount of muscle mass is useful to them & there sport, I'm sure if larger muscles were required
To aid their sport they'd do what was necessary.

Pretty much every sports participants at top level are now much bigger & Muscular than say 50/60/70 yes back.
& world records are streets ahead of what they were back then.

[Titus Pullo]

I remember getting into an argument with Milos about why he couldn't get his arms bigger. He considered that he had tried all methods and in desperation chose to use oil as an enhancement. Looked ridiculous and he almost died when an artery was hit during an injection. Well, we never did have a full discussion about how he might have increased his arms more. At first he was dismissive and not at all pleased. We did get to sort things out but have never met in person. Then his ex stole his gym from him and he had to leave the USA. He finally returned after many years.

I don't subscribe to giant set training. Might be quite effective to many and perhaps for a short period. That kind of training isn't suitable in a commercial gym because you tie up several pieces of equipment.

I doubt Dorian used HIT methods to get bigger. He probably found it okay to retain size. Eventually high intensity training will result in injuries. So even if it is effective for short periods it can't be used long term because it is dangerous compared to volume training that almost all the pros use. Arnold, Sergio, Larry, Ronnie, enough said.

While it depends on what you mean by HIT, yes, Dorian did more than "maintain size" training on a variation of HIT; he gained muscle and improved by miles.  The only caveat was he should've layed off the intensity in the last six to eight weeks of contest prep.

Talk about dangerous?  Look at Ronnie now.  And for every champ you might cite for "longevity via volume," discounting the deceased Scott, Oliva et al., Arnold, volume champ, ain't exactly without his own nagging injuries.  Even your pal, Zane, is about as keen on muscles as Roseanne Barr.  He'd rather do Yoga and play the kazoo.

There's nothing magical or intrinsically valuable about training volume in and of itself.  HIT variants can work just fine for extended periods.  Where most HIT purists fail is getting too fat and/or giving too much credence to an over-emphasis on a minimalist, compound only moves approach.  That's stupid.  Do your side laterals, face pulls, curls and pushdowns.

[joswift]

While it depends on what you mean by HIT, yes, Dorian did more than "maintain size" training on a variation of HIT; he gained muscle and improved by miles.  The only caveat was he should've layed off the intensity in the last six to eight weeks of contest prep.

Talk about dangerous?  Look at Ronnie now.  And for every champ you might cite for "longevity via volume," discounting the deceased Scott, Oliva et al., Arnold, volume champ, ain't exactly without his own nagging injuries.  Even your pal, Zane, is about as keen on muscles as Roseanne Barr.  He'd rather do Yoga and play the kazoo.

There's nothing magical or intrinsically valuable about training volume in and of itself.  HIT variants can work just fine for extended periods.  Where most HIT purists fail is getting too fat and/or giving too much credence to an over-emphasis on a minimalist, compound only moves approach.  That's stupid.  Do your side laterals, face pulls, curls and pushdowns.

how people think they can build muscle in a large calorific deficit and also train with that intensity with such low bodyfat levels and not come unstuck is beyond me.

[Humble Narcissist]

how people think they can build muscle in a large calorific deficit and also train with that intensity with such low bodyfat levels and not come unstuck is beyond me.

They are Mentzer fanboys.

[a_pupil]

Do you Really Not Think Many of Them are Taking PED's ??

I doubt any serious athlete outside of 200+ lbs divisions would be taking over 500mg a week.

Pro gymnasts would be micro dosing, especially so those who have to deal with the Olympics level testing.

One of those jacked gymnasts taking dallas mccarver level dosages would be interesting.

[illuminati]

I doubt any serious athlete outside of 200+ lbs divisions would be taking over 500mg a week.

Pro gymnasts would be micro dosing, especially so those who have to deal with the Olympics level testing.

One of those jacked gymnasts taking dallas mccarver level dosages would be interesting.

Personally I think differently .
I was Supply some bits 25yrs ago to Olympic competing athletes , They all new
how to beat the tests back then. one a Very famous American Sprinter.

Let alone the amounts of PED's Grand Tour cyclists were taking Then.!!

[Bevo]

Personally I think differently .
I was Supply some bits 25yrs ago to Olympic competing athletes , They all new
how to beat the tests back then. one a Very famous American Sprinter.

Let alone the amounts of PED's Grand Tour cyclists were taking Then.!!

Doubt gymnasts are taking 3 plus grams of gear a wk, a long with insulin and gh, and who knows what else

Bbers always justify that other sports athletes take as much as bbers

The thing is you take away the drugs from a bber he’s nothing, you take away the drugs from a pro baseball player and he’s still an elite hitter or pitcher that’s better and gifted than 99 percent of the population

[illuminati]

Doubt gymnasts are taking 3 plus grams of gear a wk, a long with insulin and gh, and who knows what else

Bbers always justify that other sports athletes take as much as bbers

The thing is you take away the drugs from a bber he’s nothing, you take away the drugs from a pro baseball player and he’s still an elite hitter or pitcher that’s better and gifted than 99 percent of the population

That's your opinion
I've no idea what they are using or how much - Further more I don't care.

I'd Think you'd find the Genetic elite Body Builders would still develop outstanding physiques
Compared to Mr average - Clearly not to the extreme they are now with PED's .

Why are you on Getbig,  If you so dislike Bodybuilders/ Bodybuilding/ PED usage
Why not post on a 'Naturals Body Building' Forum & Be happier & amongst like minded folk. ?

[Bevo]

That's your opinion
I've no idea what they are using or how much - Further more I don't care.

I'd Think you'd find the Genetic elite Body Builders would still develop outstanding physiques
Compared to Mr average - Clearly not to the extreme they are now with PED's .

Why are you on Getbig,  If you so dislike Bodybuilders/ Bodybuilding/ PED usage
Why not post on a 'Naturals Body Building' Forum & Be happier & amongst like minded folk. ?

I come here for financial and relationship advices, we have very knowledgeable and successful getbiggers at that

[Palumboism]

Personally I think differently .
I was Supply some bits 25yrs ago to Olympic competing athletes , They all new
how to beat the tests back then. one a Very famous American Sprinter.

Let alone the amounts of PED's Grand Tour cyclists were taking Then.!!

Can you expand a bit on what athletes are taking?

I knew soccer players took steroids to recover from the training faster.  I would assume steroids give athletes of all sorts advantages.

[Bevo]

Can you expand a bit on what athletes are taking?

I knew soccer players took steroids to recover from the training faster.  I would assume steroids give athletes of all sorts advantages.

In other news our own “Illuminati” was a drug dealer, no surprise there, gotta make a living instead of schmoeing

[ThisisOverload]

Can you expand a bit on what athletes are taking?

I knew soccer players took steroids to recover from the training faster.  I would assume steroids give athletes of all sorts advantages.

Depends on the sport.

I know a lot of athletes who use/used Test/Deca.

Even knew a Tennis coach who played at a high level for years on a small dose of Test/Deca.

Recovery and strength are import for any physical sport.

A guy i used to powerlift with said he was taking a gram of Test a week while running track in college.

Knew a guy who was a black belt in BJJ who used gear for years. Big dude.

You never know what people are on.

[illuminati]

I come here for financial and relationship advices, we have very knowledgeable and successful getbiggers at that

Unlike yourself.

Whoopee doo I'm a Drug Dealer - And ??

[Bevo]

Unlike yourself.

Whoopee doo I'm a Drug Dealer - And ??

I am none of that, I can admit to that. Can you?

All I have is a nice decent sized cock, not much else to brag about

[Bevo]

Depends on the sport.

I know a lot of athletes who use/used Test/Deca.

Even knew a Tennis coach who played at a high level for years on a small dose of Test/Deca.

Recovery and strength are import for any physical sport.

A guy i used to powerlift with said he was taking a gram of Test a week while running track in college.

Knew a guy who was a black belt in BJJ who used gear for years. Big dude.

You never know what people are on.

 But none are on Dallas mccarver, ramy, dick walker, dosages though

[illuminati]

Can you expand a bit on what athletes are taking?

I knew soccer players took steroids to recover from the training faster.  I would assume steroids give athletes of all sorts advantages.

I'm not right up to date with what athletes are using.

For a good indication just check the WADA Banned / Testing list.

At a Guess , Many will be using Some form of Testosterone/ GH / Insulin / Peptides / Pain killers
Each individual sport will have its own specific needs as to what PEDs are used .

Top sprinters years ago used Winstrol injections quite a lot + Some Did Low dose GH
Grand Tour Cyclists - Have used all sorts - A lot of Blood packing/ Epo & much other stuff
I Know a world class heavy weight Boxer not too long ago caught taking Dianabol 🤦‍♂️ more fool him
Listening to his idiotic 'Trainers' They also caused him a lot of injuries by there ridiculous training methods.

A lot of info is out there,  just have to search for it.
Maybe some of the younger lads on here who rub shoulders with other athletes may be better Informed
Than I am currently. 

[AbrahamG]

I am none of that, I can admit to that. Can you?

All I have is a nice decent sized cock, not much else to brag about

Isn't that enough?

[Bevo]

Isn't that enough?

Vince is the blueprint of overall success and balance imo

[ThisisOverload]

But none are on Dallas mccarver, ramy, dick walker, dosages though

Of course not.

Strongmen and powerlifters can rival BBer's no problem.

The amount of gear i heard people taking when i competed in PLing was insane.

[Bevo]

Of course not.

Strongmen and powerlifters can rival BBer's no problem.

The amount of gear i heard people taking when i competed in PLing was insane.

I agree with you there, just the point I was trying to make addressing “real” athletes vs a pageant thong show