On Fouad's Brochat podcast they all agreed prime Jay was too complete for Dorian. Bwahaha one of the most insane takes I've ever heard. I'm no Yates fan either
Not a fan of Dorian but Dorian would destroy him easily
The schmoes or the ifbb pushed cutler to be the next thing, nothing special about him aside from 2001 and 2009 like I said

Cormier, Kevin, flex, even Shawn were all better than him, add in Gunter and Ruhl too
Cutler = overrated fridge