NO BULLSHIT TRAINING THREAD..........JUST TRAINING !

[bhank]

Excellent comprehensive listing of his bullshit.  It's amazing when all laid out like that.

Except it is all lies but I am not going to go through another of 38 list today. I disprove one thing and he just relist it with 100 others. If I don't mention every one he says I am admitting to them so what's the point?

[tatoo]

Except it is all lies but I am not going to go through another of 38 list today. I disprove one thing and he just relist it with 100 others. If I don't mention every one he says I am admitting to them so what's the point?

to fuck with you lol.... you that stupid not to see that moron? stop acting like a puppet dewd.

[wes]

to fuck with you lol.... you that stupid not to see that moron? stop acting like a puppet dewd.

Yeah,start a bodybuilding thread and we`ll all discuss it with you.
 

[Soul Crusher]

4 - 5:30

3 Sets - wide grip lat pull downs - superset calves 
3 sets - close grip seated row - superset calves
4 sets 130 lb db rows - superset double DB rows w 60s
3 sets - high cable wide bar row - supert set double DB rows w 70's
3 sets - low cable wide bar row - superset double DB rows w 70's

45 min circuit

225lb power barbell row x 6
Cable crunches x 15
Close Grip landmine row w 3 plates x 10
Hammer curls w 50's x 10


6 - 7:30

BJJ 

[webstar]

Except it is all lies but I am not going to go through another of 38 list today. I disprove one thing and he just relist it with 100 others. If I don't mention every one he says I am admitting to them so what's the point?

Here is a softball question for you. Why does your son have a week off in the middle of October. When he already had a random week off in September. When the school year just started

 You can’t answer or give a straight answer. Because you and your son are both lying scumbags

Unless, you listened to get Big and decided to give him the week off to potty train him. Which is a smart idea,

good for you for finally getting off your ass and doing something. Fucking moron has the poor kid wearing diapers at five years old

[Hulkotron]

The previous alleged "week off" actually stretched into the first few days of October too.

[joswift]

Where did bit of bro-science come from?

The shoulder has 180deg of flexion as well as abduction.  Why do you think that is? 

The reason bodybuilders have shitty shoulder joints and complain about them later on is they fuck them up by not doing things that keep the damn things healthy.  The injure them and then just train through the pain because "its not that bad".  They have crap for mobility of their thoracic spine and blame it on something stupid

when in nature do apes lift things over their heads?

We decended from spending time on all fours get on all fours and raise your arm out in front of you reaching out 90 degrees, and see how uncomfortable that is and how much your torso has to twist,

Delts are for pushing outwards and raising our arms out to the sides and yes overhead, but not under any load

Side laterals. front raises are more than enough to build your delts, and side laterals anything above 90 degrees outwards massively impinges on the delts, your delts are fully contracted at 90 degrees

People are already commenting about how much better their delts look when they stop pressing

your delts get more than enough work bench pressing

[joswift]

The previous alleged "week off" actually stretched into the first few days of October too.

the term runs up until 25th October then they have a break , then it starts again up until Xmas

Its easy to look up
Selma school term time

[Krankenstein]

when in nature do apes lift things over their heads? This is your argument?  When do humans hang from branches swinging?  When has an ape done calf raises?

We decended from spending time on all fours get on all fours and raise your arm out in front of you reaching out 90 degrees, and see how uncomfortable that is and how much your torso has to twist, The dynnamic neuromuscular stabilization model has its place, but not in this way.  Me on fours reaching out is not uncomfortable because I didn't lose my mobility in shoulders.  Why do you think the prone track exercise is used in shoulder and cervical rehab?

Delts are for pushing outwards and raising our arms out to the sides and yes overhead, but not under any load Show me where there is any biomechanics research to back this up.  Delts are NOT for pressing either.  They do not cause elbow extension whatsoever.

Side laterals. front raises are more than enough to build your delts, and side laterals anything above 90 degrees outwards massively impinges on the delts, your delts are fully contracted at 90 degrees Front raises cause more impingement and shoulder issues than other exercises due to the long lever arm of holding a weight out in front of you.  The initiation of side laterals comes from the supraspinatus muscle which is probably beaten to shit in bodybuilders because of poor mobility

People are already commenting about how much better their delts look when they stop pressing Of course they are because they are taking an exercise out that their shoulder can't handle right now.  Go back to what I said about how people don't do things to keep their shoulders healthy

your delts get more than enough work bench pressing  not exactly

[webstar]

the term runs up until 25th October then they have a break , then it starts again up until Xmas

Its easy to look up
Selma school term time

Maybe Mensa boy finished the term early, due to his superior genetics.

[joswift]

Maybe Mensa boy finished the term early, due to his superior genetics.

or was sent home beacuse he kept shitting his diaper.

[joswift]

Delts are NOT for pressing either.

technically no muscles press, they contract

Makes me laugh when people say "push .pull" routines, all muscles pull

all muscles pull in a straight line. for insertion to insertion

flat bench doesnt even work the pecs properly, steep decline is way better

Ask anyone to flex their pecs and they alays do a hands clasped most muscular , they never stick their arms out horiziontally

Same with flys, if I lay on a bench and do a dumbell fly my pec totally relaxes when my arms go 1 degree from horizontal, its all delts

[38 returns]

Except it is all lies but I am not going to go through another of 38 list today. I disprove one thing and he just relist it with 100 others. If I don't mention every one he says I am admitting to them so what's the point?

you are a lying prick

lets update for you in caps so the world can see how much you BS



- your bullshit hard man act- YOU HAVE NEVER WON A FIGHT IN YOUR LIFE
- your sham marriage- THE FIRST ONE OR THE SECOND DO EXPLAIN WHY JEN GOT RID OF YOU
- your ketamine use- YOU ADMITTED THIS NOW DENTY IT
- your knee spearing women- POLICE REPORT YOU DENY IT
- you leaving Angel to die- YOU ADMITTED THIS NOW DENY IT
- your stolen valour- YOU LIED ABOUT YOUR SRVICE AND RREASON TO LEAVE THAT IS STOLEN VALOUR
- your probation officer- YOU CLAIMED YOU HAD ONE WHY? YOU AVOID THIS
- your massive house down size- PAINT IT HOW YOU WANT YOU NOW HAVE 750K LESS ASSETS
- your sons massive noggin- GENETICS IF HE IS YOURS HE IS CERTAINLY STUPID ENOUGH
- your gaycycle- YOU SPENT 4K ON A BIKE RATHER THAN GIVE EM A HONEYMOON
- you and paddy boy spaulding- WHAT DID HE MEAN ON YOUR WEDDING POST?
- you and blaze the tranny who gave you likes- WHY DID YOU DELETE?
- your dad not being a Rhodes scholar- WHY DID YOU LIE ABOUT THIS?
- your fucking gut- WHEN YOU TAKE A PHOTO IT GOES WHEN ANYONE ELSE DOES YOUR GUT AND TITS ARE EVIDNET. WHY?
- the fact you run like a teen age girl who has come on blob of rthe first time- AGAIN WHY?
- you 10,00 plus undefeated school fights- NO SCHOOL HAS ANY RECORD OF YOU FIGHTING, NONE. HOW?
- your lack of D1 wrestling record- WHY?
- your reason for leaving the army after 20 months- AVOID THIS DONT YOU
- your peacekeeping patrol having a takedown team- WHY A TAKEDOWN TEAM IN A PEACEKEEPING GROUP
- you a cripple on canes being head of the takedown team- EXPLAIN WHY THE TRUSTED A SPASTIC TO DO THIS?
- your 100 plus medical ailments- THESES ARE ALL BASED ON STUFF YOU HAVE CLAIMED
- you learning calculus in one night- ABJECT NONSENSE
- you fucking up your LSAT exam- DIDNT ACE IT DID YOU?
- your lies about test usage- FOR YEARS AND YEARS ON HERE YOU CLAIM TRT ON PROF MUSSLCE YOU ADMIT 2GM A WEEK. WHY LIE?
- your lies on professional muscle- FEEL FREE TO GO BACK THROUGH
- your Mexican jail fights- NAME THE JAIL AND THE PRISONER YOU WERE ARRESTED WITH AND WHAT FOR. THIS CAN BE CHECKED SO YOU WONT.
-you contacting the authorities to avoid fighting Josh- YOU ADMITTED THIS NOW APPEAR TO CLAIM YOU DIDNT-
- you being the boards bitch- I WILL GIVE YOU THIS ONE THIS IS TRUE


In your own time Walter Mitty

[Krankenstein]

technically no muscles press, they contract technically, yes...but the action of the joint is what is being referred to.  Extension, flexion, rotation

Makes me laugh when people say "push .pull" routines, all muscles pull if muscles can't press, then they surely don't pull

all muscles pull in a straight line. for insertion to insertion from origin to insertion.  open chain versus closed chain exercises

flat bench doesnt even work the pecs properly, steep decline is way better not sure about steep but yes, due to the direction of pecs, decline is better than flat for chest.  only issue is the direction the elbows move on decline.  way more internal rotation with decline

Ask anyone to flex their pecs and they alays do a hands clasped most muscular , they never stick their arms out horiziontally

Same with flys, if I lay on a bench and do a dumbell fly my pec totally relaxes when my arms go 1 degree from horizontal, its all delts yes, because there is just so much stretch that is placed on the pec before the shoulder has to accommodate what the person is doing.  Just like what I said about side laterals.
 Thats why people do the 'angled' side lateral...thinking that it will hit the medial delt more when that supraspinatus has to contract no matter what to help with stabilization

If bodybuilders would learn to do some mobility before training and THEN do some stretching at the end...they wouldn't have nearly the amount of problems.  Again, it will always come down to someone training through pain because "it doesn't hurt THAT much".   I have people come in and say to me "its not pain pain".  WTF does that even mean???

Got shoulder issues?  Try just dead hanging from a bar.  Start with :15 sec and work up.  You can start to clear out some adhesions in the joint capsule.  This is also a good way of warming up the shoulder prior to training:

[38 returns]

If bodybuilders would learn to do some mobility before training and THEN do some stretching at the end...they wouldn't have nearly the amount of problems.  Again, it will always come down to someone training through pain because "it doesn't hurt THAT much".   I have people come in and say to me "its not pain pain".  WTF does that even mean???

Got shoulder issues?  Try just dead hanging from a bar.  Start with :15 sec and work up.  You can start to clear out some adhesions in the joint capsule.  This is also a good way of warming up the shoulder prior to training:

will give this a go thank you Krank!

[joswift]

if muscles can't press, then they surely don't pull

they contract is that pulling or pushing?
they contract and bunch up, its got to be a pulling motion, hench the tendons and ligaments


they relax to expand, they dont push

[JustPlaneJane]

Excellent comprehensive listing of his bullshit.  It's amazing when all laid out like that.

Studied by NASA…

[Krankenstein]

they contract is that pulling or pushing?
they contract and bunch up, its got to be a pulling motion, hench the tendons and ligaments


they relax to expand, they dont push

So you classify extension of the forearm by way of the triceps contracting a "pulling" motion?

When people talk about pulling, generally it is the external load getting closer to the body and pushing is the load moving away.

When I do a push up, am I pulling myself away from the floor?  Unequivocally no.

[joswift]

So you classify extension of the forearm by way of the triceps contracting a "pulling" motion?

When people talk about pulling, generally it is the external load getting closer to the body and pushing is the load moving away.

When I do a push up, am I pulling myself away from the floor?  Unequivocally no.

your muscles are contacting and yes they are pulling.

muscles contract to generate force and expand when they relax

Its simple biomechanics

[Krankenstein]

your muscles are contacting and yes they are pulling.

muscles contract to generate force and expand when they relax

Its simple biomechanics

Show me ONE anatomy/physiology piece that says the triceps pull the forearm.  Or the quadriceps pull the lower leg.  Should be easy enough to find.

By your definition a push up is now called a pull-up.

They don't expand....they relax.  Contract and relax.  Want the breakdown of actin/myosin filament as well as the sarcomere?

You're adding in 'pulling' terminology to satisfy your argument but haven't backed it up.  Muscles act across a joint or joints.  They contract to effect movement of a joint. 

Tricep action:
The main function of triceps brachii is extension of the forearm at the elbow joint. In addition, its long head contributes to the extension and adduction of the arm at the shoulder joint. Besides movement, the triceps brachii also plays a role in creating anatomical spaces which are traversed by neurovascular structures. This makes the triceps brachii muscle an important surgical landmark.   (weird, it doesn't say anything about pulling there)

Is circumduction of a joint pulling Joe?   It is not. 

Bottom line is your argument about how we aren't designed to press overhead is wrong....you haven't proven otherwise.  In fact, two fo three deltoid heads are in that very motion.

[Hulkotron]

Muscles can 100% produce force while they are lengthening/stretching ("eccentric contractions), they don't have to only shorten.  The force will always be in the direction that tends to shorten the muscle, but you can still lengthen the muscle under a load (nh), happens all the time.

That is what I was taught many years ago anyway (was an exercise science major in times of yore).

[joswift]

Muscles can 100% produce force while they are lengthening/stretching ("eccentric contractions), they don't have to only shorten.  The force will always be in the direction that tends to shorten the muscle, but you can still lengthen the muscle under a load (nh), happens all the time.

That is what I was taught many years ago anyway (was an exercise science major in times of yore).

example?

[Hulkotron]

example?

You are being rather obtuse here.  Surely on your own you can think of many examples where muscles lengthen under load?

[Lartinos]

I asked Chat GPT’s opinion

“
This conversation highlights a common confusion between biomechanical concepts (muscle contraction) and practical exercise terminology (push vs. pull). Both parties make valid points, but they are discussing two different aspects. Biomechanically, muscles only pull. However, in practical gym terms, exercises are classified based on the external load’s movement direction (push or pull). This nuance is important to bridge the understanding between anatomy and exercise practice.”

[joswift]

You are being rather obtuse here.  Surely on your own you can think of many examples where muscles lengthen under load?

no, I cant think of a single one muscles contract to exert force and relax to expand to normal length zero force required

I can think of an example in birds, a birds feet contract when relaxed, that how they can fall asleep on a branch, it takes effort to open them