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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2023, 03:59:02 PM »
Do modern BBs pin their pecs with oil too?

pretty sure they dont

think it's too risky

speaking of pinning i got an abscess from a quad inject and they had to drain the fucker and i couldn't train for 4 days in fact i'm not supposed to train another 3 days but i trained arms and delts today :D :D :D

pain was pretty bad but not it's much better and nearly healed but doc said not to train legs for 4-6 more weeks and i'm A-OK with that :D :D :D

he also said inject your ass not legs

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2023, 04:03:33 PM »
pretty sure they dont

think it's too risky

Are you kidding?  The (upper, outer) pecs are one of the best spots to inject.  Quads have always been painful for me, so I used to alternate pec and delt injections pretty frequently.  Triceps, too, but I stopped because I've heard that people who do arm injections can get nerve damage.

Pec injections can look scary, especially if you're a smaller guy, but they've always been smooth for me, and I've never had a single complication.

These days I just do TRT SC.  :'(

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2023, 04:04:46 PM »

I think he's doing some variation of a lateral raise, not a shoulder press.

He's doing "Arnold Presses".

I think the heaviest weight I've ever seen Arnold using on shoulder presses is 165 on behind the neck presses.  There's a photo of him doing a jerk when he was younger doing more weight than that but it seems he never really went heavy on the shoulder presses.

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2023, 04:06:24 PM »
Are you kidding?  The (upper, outer) pecs are one of the best spots to inject.  Quads have always been painful for me, so I used to alternate pec and delt injections pretty frequently.  Triceps, too, but I stopped because I've heard that people who do arm injections can get nerve damage.

Pec injections can look scary, especially if you're a smaller guy, but they've always been smooth for me, and I've never had a single complication.

These days I just do TRT SC.  :'(

i'm proof positive that site injects dont enhance mussle size just take a look at my quads, of wait! better not ;D ;D ;D

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2023, 04:06:39 PM »
pretty sure they dont

think it's too risky

speaking of pinning i got an abscess from a quad inject and they had to drain the fucker and i couldn't train for 4 days in fact i'm not supposed to train another 3 days but i trained arms and delts today :D :D :D

pain was pretty bad but not it's much better and nearly healed but doc said not to train legs for 4-6 more weeks and i'm A-OK with that :D :D :D

he also said inject your ass not legs
I have a little divot out of my left ass cheek from an abscess using Winstrol V.........fuck that garbage.............some painful shit packing it with gauze etc . etc.

NO HOMO

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2023, 04:14:32 PM »
or arms

the typical bb of nowadays, big back, legs, delts and bellies and crap arms and pecs

thier arms without the site enhancements they use would be even worse

Compared to todays pro’s, the two things that makes Dorian stand out...

His super thick calves, and his monster forearms.

Those are genetic gifts, yes. But today’s pro’s are often lacking both areas

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2023, 04:15:26 PM »
Those guys  were popular when we were starting out so we gravitate towards them......plus they just plain old looked fucking better.........PERIOD!!   LOL  :D 

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2023, 04:24:07 PM »
I have a little divot out of my left ass cheek from an abscess using Winstrol V.........fuck that garbage.............some painful shit packing it with gauze etc . etc.

NO HOMO

thanks for the input

yep it hurts pretty fucking bad, though i was just being a cowardly pussy good to know not as much of a pussy as i think :D :D :D

now i swab the site before and after and i sway the needle before and after too

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2023, 04:25:06 PM »
Compared to todays pro’s, the two things that makes Dorian stand out...

His super thick calves, and his monster forearms.

Those are genetic gifts, yes. But today’s pro’s are often lacking both areas

just like casey v but he had some huge tris too just like the GOAT M. Mentzer 8)

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2023, 04:25:59 PM »
thanks for the input

yep it hurts pretty fucking bad, though i was just being a cowardly pussy good to know not as much of a pussy as i think :D :D :D

now i swab the site before and after and i sway the needle before and after too

Makes almost zero difference, the evidence is clear on that topic

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2023, 04:30:12 PM »
Makes almost zero difference, the evidence is clear on that topic

then what's it from ???

this was a deep inject because my slin pin would pop off the last part of the inject, now i do it super slow and it's not popping out anymore

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2023, 04:32:47 PM »
then what's it from ???

this was a deep inject because my slin pin would pop off the last part of the inject, now i do it super slow and it's not popping out anymore
swabbing or not swabbing you can get an infection
http://joallenconsulting.com/2018/10/08/to-swab-or-not-to-swab-why-is-it-still-a-question/

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2023, 04:44:23 PM »
thanks for the input

yep it hurts pretty fucking bad, though i was just being a cowardly pussy good to know not as much of a pussy as i think :D :D :D

now i swab the site before and after and i sway the needle before and after too
It`s a long story but remind me tomorrow to tell you the gorey details.  :D

I swab the top of the bottles as well as the area I`m injecting.......I only do delts and glutes.

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2023, 04:50:18 PM »
swabbing or not swabbing you can get an infection
http://joallenconsulting.com/2018/10/08/to-swab-or-not-to-swab-why-is-it-still-a-question/

so all the more reason to use orals :D :D :D

i've discovered that after 250 mgs of test i lose shape and aesthetic so i'll never run more than 250 test ever again

so i'll ject 125 mon and thurs and take orals :D :D :D

now i ject ace ed but that will be finished soon and i'll go back to dbol, drol or var, all those work very well for me

dbol sweet spot is 20 mgs var is 30 mgs maybe even 20 mgs, if i get drol i'll take half a tab

more gear doesn't work better for aesthetics, and yeah i believe that those 70's 80's guys were really using not more than 500 mgs a week

the GOAT claimed 200 deca every 10 days and 20-25 mgs dbol

i know peeps will say mentzer injected 300 mgs npp eod but the guy who claimed this larry pollack recently said 500 mgs total is enough

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2023, 04:52:05 PM »
It`s a long story but remind me tomorrow to tell you the gorey details.  :D

I swab the top of the bottles as well as the area I`m injecting.......I only do delts and glutes.

looking forward to it ;D

i withdraw with a large pin and and fill the syringe and then transfer to the slin pin pre-inject

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2023, 05:01:33 PM »
looking forward to it ;D

i withdraw with a large pin and and fill the syringe and then transfer to the slin pin pre-inject
Fuck slin pins.......it`s like shitting an entire watermelon.  ;D

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2023, 05:05:37 PM »
Fuck slin pins.......it`s like shitting an entire watermelon.  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2023, 12:47:38 AM »
Arnold crushing Dorian in that pic. Did Yates even diet?

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2023, 02:19:59 AM »
Arnold crushing Dorian in that pic. Did Yates even diet?

“Crushing” LOL

Frankly, Arnold’s deltoids look somewhat small

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2023, 02:30:46 AM »
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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2023, 03:17:12 AM »
(Pre-injury) Dorian’s arms, delts, and pecs were pretty well balanced in my opinion.

Yeah. And therein lies the counter argument to Dorian training heavier: injury.

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2023, 03:47:36 AM »
The answer is quite simple: Dorian Yates trained one all out set to failure, while Schwarzenegger indulged in futile high volume training. Exercise should be brief, violent and infrequent.

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2023, 04:04:40 AM »
The answer is quite simple: Dorian Yates trained one all out set to failure, while Schwarzenegger indulged in futile high volume training. Exercise should be brief, violent and infrequent.

There was a guest posing featuring Yates back in 1995. I met him and I watched his posing routine. My mind was blown.

However, that morning, Yates showed up at a local gym to train. I was not there for that.

But someone at the show, who was at the gym, said that Dorian came into the gym, did stiff legged deadlifts with 315LBS for roughly 20 reps... and left.



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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #48 on: December 24, 2023, 04:06:50 AM »
The answer is quite simple: Dorian Yates trained one all out set to failure, while Schwarzenegger indulged in futile high volume training. Exercise should be brief, violent and infrequent.

Agreed. Exercise should tear your triceps right off the bone. Exercise should shred your biceps in half. Exercise should leave you with incomplete body parts. Exercise should turn 1993 Yates into 1997 Yates. Good thought process.

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Re: The reason that Dorian had better shoulders than Arnold
« Reply #49 on: December 24, 2023, 04:17:37 AM »
Agreed. Exercise should tear your triceps right off the bone. Exercise should shred your biceps in half. Exercise should leave you with incomplete body parts. Exercise should turn 1993 Yates into 1997 Yates. Good thought process.
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