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« Reply #425 on: May 05, 2006, 09:39:18 AM » |
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while i'm at it i should also ask him if he still has access to bb.com client info
He could probably get it if he wanted, but it wouldn't be worth it to him and he might need several people to help him. |
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« Reply #426 on: May 05, 2006, 10:21:02 AM » |
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Also, fewer shows would benefit things. We have what, 14 or 16 IFBB events this year?
All parties would be better served with FOUR BIG EVENTS each year on par with the O/ASC, and put a wildcard qualifier the night before I totally agree with this. When you go to the Olympia and see Ronnie, Jay, Dexter, etc., it's exciting. You look forward to the show months ahead of time, even if you go every year. But, what happens when there's an oversaturation of contests? It loses it's shock value. Just like Mike Metzger's backflip jump over the fountains at Caesar's Palace last night. That was exciting. But, what if 15 people did that each year? We wouldn't even watch anymore. The IFBB should run it's own shows and have 3 big shows plus the Olympia. The shows would be full of tier 1 bodybuilders, with an increase in fan enthusiasm, attendance, sponsorship, and prize money. |
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« Reply #427 on: May 05, 2006, 10:23:14 AM » |
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I totally agree with this. When you go to the Olympia and see Ronnie, Jay, Dexter, etc., it's exciting. You look forward to the show months ahead of time, even if you go every year. But, what happens when there's an oversaturation of contests? It loses it's shock value. Just like Mike Metzger's backflip jump over the fountains at Caesar's Palace last night. That was exciting. But, what if 15 people did that each year? We wouldn't even watch anymore. The IFBB should run it's own shows and have 3 big shows plus the Olympia. The shows would be full of tier 1 bodybuilders, with an increase in fan enthusiasm, attendance, sponsorship, and prize money.
The first few times I read you post I saw Mike Mentzer instead of Mike Metzger and I was completely confused  |
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« Reply #428 on: May 05, 2006, 11:08:38 AM » |
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Using your analogy, as a bodybuilding fan (customer), I can go to Wal-Mart, Target, or whatever. That is the fans (customers) choice. No arguement there. They are not with Wal-Mart or Target. Now the employees have a different choice. They can either work full time at Wal-Mart or at Target, or any other store they want. But they can't do both. You only have 40-50 hours a week of work, logically. They need to choose. And I can guarantee you that if they work 40 hours at Wal-Mart, Target won't hire them.
When you work for a retail company, you sign an agreement that you will be terminated from employment for working at a competitor. They could care a less if you have 1 or 2 other different jobs....you just can't be working for someone they're in direct competition with. |
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« Reply #429 on: May 05, 2006, 11:09:57 AM » |
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He could probably get it if he wanted, but it wouldn't be worth it to him and he might need several people to help him.
bob could probably rob a bank too, if he wanted to. your point? |
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« Reply #430 on: May 05, 2006, 11:11:01 AM » |
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bob could probably rob a bank too, if he wanted to.
your point?
He probably could get the records, but there is no reason to fear that he will. |
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« Reply #431 on: May 05, 2006, 11:25:49 AM » |
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When you work for a retail company, you sign an agreement that you will be terminated from employment for working at a competitor.
They could care a less if you have 1 or 2 other different jobs....you just can't be working for someone they're in direct competition with.
When you work for a retail company, you also get paid. Your analogy fails. |
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« Reply #432 on: May 05, 2006, 11:40:43 AM » |
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He probably could get the records, but there is no reason to fear that he will.
of course no one fears bob being able to access anyones info because he can't, at least according to the owner of bb.com. do you know something he (deluca) doesn't lucius? |
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« Reply #433 on: May 05, 2006, 11:44:32 AM » |
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Therefore, the Wal-Mart/Target analogy is invalid.
shit, it took 5 pages of debate tor realize this? |
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« Reply #434 on: May 05, 2006, 11:46:21 AM » |
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of course no one fears bob being able to access anyones info because he can't,
at least according to the owner of bb.com.
do you know something he (deluca) doesn't lucius?
All you have to do to access records is know somebody. Even though students' college records are legally forbidden to be shown, if you knew a student working in records and registration, you could get access to the info. It's not like the information is locked in a vault  |
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« Reply #435 on: May 05, 2006, 11:48:13 AM » |
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It's not like the information is locked in a vault It's supposed to be locked in a secure database. Sales people should have access to contact info and ordering history. Bob, however, claimed to have that, "AND MORE!". I don't know that additional info he was referring to. He had numerous chances to clarify or take back what he said. Instead, he grew the lie. |
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« Reply #436 on: May 05, 2006, 11:50:03 AM » |
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It's supposed to be locked in a secure database. Sales people should have access to contact info and ordering history. Bob, however, claimed to have that, "AND MORE!".
I don't know that additional info he was referring to. He had numerous chances to clarify or take back what he said. Instead, he grew the lie.
This what I am saying. He could get access to almost anything as long as he knew the right people and they were willing to help him. Not that he should or even imply that he could. |
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« Reply #437 on: May 05, 2006, 11:53:27 AM » |
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It's funny. BBing.com is a multi-million dollar operation. 77k a day or something, nearly $30M a year in sales.
Imagine if the public face/ spokesman of ANY OTHER THIRTY MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS came out and threatned to use the secure sales information for nefarious purposes. He'd be fired in a heartbeat! Scandal! News!
Yet, it's just another day on GetBig!
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« Reply #438 on: May 05, 2006, 02:45:34 PM » |
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Well backon topic if i am fined and suspended i will look into a discrimination case.As lots of other pros have broken the rules acccording to their rule book and NO ACTION WAS TAKEN and there are so many example out there.So to single me out would be discrinmation.So the ball is in their court.
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« Reply #439 on: May 05, 2006, 04:42:31 PM » |
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This is a prime example of why the Athlete's Rep. should not be an IFBB Pro him/herself. There is a egregious conflict of interest between Bob and the IFBB. Bob is a "Pro", and therefore, is at the mercy of the IFBB. As we all know the politics involved in this sport are ridiculous, and anyone "going against the grain" will be and has been(Lee Priest) sanctioned. Bob, you are to represent the BB'ers and stick your neck out for the betterment of the sport and the athletes. But given your place in the IFBB and BB'ing you fail in your efforts to represent the athletes in their best interests as a whole.
The athletes deserve better. One way to make things improve is to oust Bob, and replace him with a qualified attorney and/or sports agent. For god's sake, someone that does this for a living, and has no vested interest, other than reasonable payment for services rendered.
I'm done with this. Too much to even begin...
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« Reply #440 on: May 05, 2006, 04:54:42 PM » |
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Well backon topic if i am fined and suspended i will look into a discrimination case.As lots of other pros have broken the rules acccording to their rule book and NO ACTION WAS TAKEN and there are so many example out there.So to single me out would be discrinmation.So the ball is in their court.
Except the fact that you are the most fined (disciplined) IFBB pro. Your also one of the top tier. Easy enough for them to claim that they are starting with you because of your history and status. An example for the rest to take into consideration and given time by the IFBB brass to change their ways. Depending on the conditions that the IFBB imposes they could allow quite a long time for the other athletes to "toe the line", purely out of the graces of their heart. If they are betting on the PDI to fail, they won't even have to address this issue for years. If they wanted to be real pricks in the matter they could suspend Vince Taylor 6 months or a year after you, just to prove that they are serious, because they have now suspended another top tier athlete. Legally this is almost an impossible case for you to prove. This is nothing but a hypothetical situation and I don't agree with them or the actions they might take, just stating possibilities. |
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« Reply #441 on: May 05, 2006, 05:24:47 PM » |
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In reality , Bob should be doing all that he can to make sure lee is not sanctioned for his choices , in fact as Athlete rep bob should be addressing this issue right now for all athletes , and not slagging the athletes off for their choices !! you don't get a lawyer to represent you only to get slagged off do you ?, or a union rep for that matter !!
Bob should have a petition already sent to all athletes backing a motion that allows the athletes Pro choice, and be preparing to present the petition to the IFBB with consent from the athletes to negotiate this on there behalf !!!
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« Reply #442 on: May 05, 2006, 05:34:39 PM » |
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In reality , Bob should be doing all that he can to make sure lee is not sanctioned for his choices , in fact as Athlete rep bob should be addressing this issue right now for all athletes , and not slagging the athletes off for their choices !! you don't get a lawyer to represent you only to get slagged off do you ?, or a union rep for that matter !!
Bob should have a petition already sent to all athletes backing a motion that allows the athletes Pro choice, and be preparing to present the petition to the IFBB with consent from the athletes to negotiate this on there behalf !!!
I agree that the athletes should be able to compete where they want, when they want etc. But Bob is the IFBB rep and trying to clean up the IFBB one issue at a time. Allowing Athletes to compete in other federations weakens the IFBB and the top brass are not going to be to interested in that prospect. IF Bob truly believes in his heart (my words here so nobody can use them against Bob) that the PDI is a pipe dream or will fail, pushing efforts in this matter would be a waste of his time and energy. Focusing on the IFBB making it a better place to compete and earn a living in, that doesn't sound like a bad thing either, does it? Now starting a petition, why does that need to come from the athletes rep? Why don't you, Lee or Vince start one? If the petition gains the support you figure it will then it can be presented to the IFBB, with a little teeth behind it. |
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« Reply #443 on: May 05, 2006, 06:40:37 PM » |
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Well backon topic if i am fined and suspended i will look into a discrimination case.As lots of other pros have broken the rules acccording to their rule book and NO ACTION WAS TAKEN and there are so many example out there.So to single me out would be discrinmation.So the ball is in their court.
Although I support you Lee.....I think you would be pissing in the wind |
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« Reply #444 on: May 05, 2006, 08:17:01 PM » |
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Except the fact that you are the most fined (disciplined) IFBB pro. Your also one of the top tier. Easy enough for them to claim that they are starting with you because of your history and status. An example for the rest to take into consideration and given time by the IFBB brass to change their ways. Depending on the conditions that the IFBB imposes they could allow quite a long time for the other athletes to "toe the line", purely out of the graces of their heart. If they are betting on the PDI to fail, they won't even have to address this issue for years. If they wanted to be real pricks in the matter they could suspend Vince Taylor 6 months or a year after you, just to prove that they are serious, because they have now suspended another top tier athlete. Legally this is almost an impossible case for you to prove.
This is nothing but a hypothetical situation and I don't agree with them or the actions they might take, just stating possibilities.
No i could prove it just in the pornographic section of the rules alone.They allow some people to sell the pornographic mags at IFBB show and yet they are not fined or suspended.Not hard to prove at all. |
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« Reply #445 on: May 05, 2006, 08:27:13 PM » |
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Again Lee, you would have no case...as you would have to show that someone else that went to the PDI was NOT suspended, and you were. I can assure you, Vince willl be also, etc, etc...
Other cases have nothing to do with the reason you would be suspended for this particular infraction.
If you were to do a porno, or have porno pics on your website, and be suspended for it...THEN you could sue for discrimination.
I'm not quite sure WHY you want to be a part of the IFBB as you have made it clear, you don't like it...
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« Reply #446 on: May 05, 2006, 08:32:46 PM » |
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I think lee wants to be able to have the choice of whom he competes for !! I am sure the promoters of the shows would like the attendance of lee at there shows no matter who they pay a sanction fee to !!
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« Reply #447 on: May 05, 2006, 09:03:41 PM » |
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Well, thats a right you give up when you send in your $200, and sign the contract that says you'll abide by the rules as they are set up.
As I said in a similiarr thread..I'm not so sure spreading the talent pool is ultimately in the athletes best interests, when were having a tough enough time getting money to more athletes with all of us under one roof!
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« Reply #448 on: May 05, 2006, 09:26:10 PM » |
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So you think a strangle hold under the roof of a monopoly is better ------ how come then IFBB affiliates at amateur level allow athletes to compete in other federations as over time they have realised by suspending athletes whom say decide to compete in NABBA (which incidentally does not have a 'sole affiliation' rule),has just dwindled there show numbers thus effectively the rules had to be changed to allow athletes to choose ??
Remembering Nabba is allot bigger than the IFBB in many European country's!!
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« Reply #449 on: May 05, 2006, 09:29:44 PM » |
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No independent person with any business acumen will EVER agree that an IFBB Monopoly is better for the fans and the athletes.
Either the person is biased for the IFBB, or blind to how things work and have been working.
monoploies screw both employees (the athletes) and customers (the fans!)
The corporation is calling every shot and taking most of the profits.
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