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« Reply #425 on: May 05, 2006, 11:48:13 AM »

It's not like the information is locked in a vault Roll Eyes

It's supposed to be locked in a secure database.  Sales people should have access to contact info and ordering history.  Bob, however, claimed to have that, "AND MORE!".

I don't know that additional info he was referring to.  He had numerous chances to clarify or take back what he said.  Instead, he grew the lie.
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« Reply #426 on: May 05, 2006, 11:50:03 AM »

It's supposed to be locked in a secure database.  Sales people should have access to contact info and ordering history.  Bob, however, claimed to have that, "AND MORE!".

I don't know that additional info he was referring to.  He had numerous chances to clarify or take back what he said.  Instead, he grew the lie.

 This what I am saying. He could get access to almost anything as long as he knew the right people and they were willing to help him. Not that he should or even imply that he could.
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« Reply #427 on: May 05, 2006, 11:53:27 AM »

It's funny.  BBing.com is a multi-million dollar operation.  77k a day or something, nearly $30M a year in sales.

Imagine if the public face/ spokesman of ANY OTHER THIRTY MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS came out and threatned to use the secure sales information for nefarious purposes.  He'd be fired in a heartbeat!  Scandal! News!

Yet, it's just another day on GetBig!
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« Reply #428 on: May 05, 2006, 02:45:34 PM »

Well backon topic if i am fined and suspended i will look into a discrimination case.As lots of other pros have broken the rules acccording to their rule book and NO ACTION WAS TAKEN and there are so many example out there.So to single me out would be discrinmation.So the ball is in their court.
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« Reply #429 on: May 05, 2006, 04:42:31 PM »

This is a prime example of why the Athlete's Rep. should not be an IFBB Pro him/herself. There is a egregious conflict of interest between Bob and the IFBB. Bob is a "Pro", and therefore, is at the mercy of the IFBB. As we all know the politics involved in this sport are ridiculous, and anyone "going against the grain" will be and has been(Lee Priest) sanctioned. Bob, you are to represent the BB'ers and stick your neck out for the betterment of the sport and the athletes. But given your place in the IFBB and BB'ing you fail in your efforts to represent the athletes in their best interests as a whole.

The athletes deserve better. One way to make things improve is to oust Bob, and replace him with a qualified attorney and/or sports agent. For god's sake, someone that does this for a living, and has no vested interest, other than reasonable payment for services rendered.

I'm done with this. Too much to even begin...
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« Reply #430 on: May 05, 2006, 04:54:42 PM »

Well backon topic if i am fined and suspended i will look into a discrimination case.As lots of other pros have broken the rules acccording to their rule book and NO ACTION WAS TAKEN and there are so many example out there.So to single me out would be discrinmation.So the ball is in their court.

Except the fact that you are the most fined (disciplined) IFBB pro.  Your also one of the top tier.  Easy enough for them to claim that they are starting with you because of your history and status.  An example for the rest to take into consideration and given time by the IFBB brass to change their ways.  Depending on the conditions that the IFBB imposes they could allow quite a long time for the other athletes to "toe the line", purely out of the graces of their heart.  If they are betting on the PDI to fail, they won't even have to address this issue for years.  If they wanted to be real pricks in the matter they could suspend Vince Taylor 6 months or a year after you, just to prove that they are serious, because they have now suspended another top tier athlete.  Legally this is almost an impossible case for you to prove.

This is nothing but a hypothetical situation and I don't agree with them or the actions they might take, just stating possibilities. 
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« Reply #431 on: May 05, 2006, 05:24:47 PM »

In reality , Bob should be doing all that he can to make sure lee is not sanctioned for his choices , in fact as Athlete rep bob should be addressing this issue right now for all athletes , and not slagging the athletes off for their choices !! you don't get a lawyer to represent you only to get slagged off do you ?, or a union rep for that matter !!

Bob should have a petition already sent to all athletes backing a motion that allows the athletes Pro choice, and be preparing to present the petition to the IFBB with consent from the athletes to negotiate this on there behalf !!!
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« Reply #432 on: May 05, 2006, 05:34:39 PM »

In reality , Bob should be doing all that he can to make sure lee is not sanctioned for his choices , in fact as Athlete rep bob should be addressing this issue right now for all athletes , and not slagging the athletes off for their choices !! you don't get a lawyer to represent you only to get slagged off do you ?, or a union rep for that matter !!

Bob should have a petition already sent to all athletes backing a motion that allows the athletes Pro choice, and be preparing to present the petition to the IFBB with consent from the athletes to negotiate this on there behalf !!!

I agree that the athletes should be able to compete where they want, when they want etc.  But Bob is the IFBB rep and trying to clean up the IFBB one issue at a time.  Allowing Athletes to compete in other federations weakens the IFBB and the top brass are not going to be to interested in that prospect.  IF Bob truly believes in his heart (my words here so nobody can use them against Bob) that the PDI is a pipe dream or will fail, pushing efforts in this matter would be a waste of his time and energy.  Focusing on the IFBB making it a better place to compete and earn a living in, that doesn't sound like a bad thing either, does it?

Now starting a petition, why does that need to come from the athletes rep?  Why don't you, Lee or Vince start one?  If the petition gains the support you figure it will then it can be presented to the IFBB, with a little teeth behind it.
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« Reply #433 on: May 05, 2006, 06:40:37 PM »

Well backon topic if i am fined and suspended i will look into a discrimination case.As lots of other pros have broken the rules acccording to their rule book and NO ACTION WAS TAKEN and there are so many example out there.So to single me out would be discrinmation.So the ball is in their court.

Although I support you Lee.....I think you would be pissing in the wind
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« Reply #434 on: May 05, 2006, 08:17:01 PM »

Except the fact that you are the most fined (disciplined) IFBB pro.  Your also one of the top tier.  Easy enough for them to claim that they are starting with you because of your history and status.  An example for the rest to take into consideration and given time by the IFBB brass to change their ways.  Depending on the conditions that the IFBB imposes they could allow quite a long time for the other athletes to "toe the line", purely out of the graces of their heart.  If they are betting on the PDI to fail, they won't even have to address this issue for years.  If they wanted to be real pricks in the matter they could suspend Vince Taylor 6 months or a year after you, just to prove that they are serious, because they have now suspended another top tier athlete.  Legally this is almost an impossible case for you to prove.

This is nothing but a hypothetical situation and I don't agree with them or the actions they might take, just stating possibilities. 

No i could prove it just in the pornographic section of the rules alone.They allow some people to sell the pornographic mags at IFBB show and yet they are not fined or suspended.Not hard to prove at all.
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« Reply #435 on: May 05, 2006, 08:27:13 PM »

Again Lee, you would have no case...as you would have to show that someone else that went to the PDI was NOT suspended, and you were. I can assure you, Vince willl be also, etc, etc...

Other cases have nothing to do with the reason you would be suspended for this particular infraction.

If you were to do a porno, or have porno pics on your website, and be suspended for it...THEN you could sue for discrimination.

I'm not quite sure WHY you want to be a part of the IFBB as you have made it clear, you don't like it...
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« Reply #436 on: May 05, 2006, 08:32:46 PM »

I think lee wants to be able to have the choice of whom he competes for !! I am sure the promoters of the shows would like the attendance of lee at there shows no matter who they pay a sanction fee to !!
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« Reply #437 on: May 05, 2006, 09:03:41 PM »

Well, thats a right you give up when you send in your $200, and sign the contract that says you'll abide by the rules as they are set up.

As I said in a similiarr thread..I'm not so sure spreading the talent pool is ultimately in the athletes best interests, when were having a tough enough time getting money to more athletes with all of us under one roof!
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« Reply #438 on: May 05, 2006, 09:26:10 PM »

So you think a strangle hold under the roof of a monopoly is better ------ how come then IFBB affiliates at amateur level allow athletes to compete in other federations as over time they have realised by suspending athletes whom say decide to compete in NABBA (which incidentally does not have a 'sole affiliation' rule),has just dwindled there show numbers thus effectively the rules had to be changed to allow athletes to choose ??

Remembering Nabba is allot bigger than the IFBB in many European country's!!
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« Reply #439 on: May 05, 2006, 09:29:44 PM »

No independent person with any business acumen will EVER agree that an IFBB Monopoly is better for the fans and the athletes.

Either the person is biased for the IFBB, or blind to how things work and have been working.

monoploies screw both employees (the athletes) and customers (the fans!)
The corporation is calling every shot and taking most of the profits.
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« Reply #440 on: May 05, 2006, 09:35:24 PM »

No independent person with any business acumen will EVER agree that an IFBB Monopoly is better for the fans and the athletes.

Either the person is biased for the IFBB, or blind to how things work and have been working.

monoploies screw both employees (the athletes) and customers (the fans!)
The corporation is calling every shot and taking most of the profits.

  I disagree. Sometimes monopolies occur because it is better to work together and combine strengths than it is to compete. The NBA and NFL have just as much of a monopoly on professional basketball and football as the IFBB does on bodybuilding, and they are both excellent leagues.
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« Reply #441 on: May 05, 2006, 09:41:09 PM »

  I disagree. Sometimes monopolies occur because it is better to work together and combine strengths than it is to compete. The NBA and NFL have just as much of a monopoly on professional basketball and football as the IFBB does on bodybuilding, and they are both excellent leagues.

BUT- when the NFL wasn't that fun, voila!  The XFL appeared.  The NFL adapted, and you saw lots of TD celebrations for 3 years.  Now they're ending that practice.

Likewise, the NBA has the CBA and the USBL and the NBA Europe- they don't compete- they fill diff niches.  Just like the PDI will fill the niche of fans who want to see unpredictable shows with creative stage shows, with no guts.
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« Reply #442 on: May 05, 2006, 09:42:58 PM »

So you think a strangle hold under the roof of a monopoly is better ------ how come then IFBB affiliates at amateur level allow athletes to compete in other federations as over time they have realised by suspending athletes whom say decide to compete in NABBA (which incidentally does not have a 'sole affiliation' rule),has just dwindled there show numbers thus effectively the rules had to be changed to allow athletes to choose ??

Remembering Nabba is allot bigger than the IFBB in many European country's!!

I really wish people would stop using the phrase "monopoly"..there are plenty of other federations to choose from if you do not wish to join the IFBB. Nabba, as you pointed out is one, If it comes to be, PDI is another, etc, etc...

The key word in your question is AMATEUR. Amateur organizations cannot dictate where athletes can and cannot compete by law. The IFBB  *PRO* league, is professional and there is prize money awarded.
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« Reply #443 on: May 05, 2006, 09:47:42 PM »

BUT- when the NFL wasn't that fun, voila!  The XFL appeared.  The NFL adapted, and you saw lots of TD celebrations for 3 years.  Now they're ending that practice.

Likewise, the NBA has the CBA and the USBL and the NBA Europe- they don't compete- they fill diff niches.  Just like the PDI will fill the niche of fans who want to see unpredictable shows with creative stage shows, with no guts.

 The NFL wasn't fun when the XFL existed? That's not true at all. The NFL adapted to nothing because the XFL had zero popularity. People had already decided what they wanted. The IFBB is already not the only bodybuilding league. Obviously NABBA exists, as well as natural leagues.
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« Reply #444 on: May 05, 2006, 09:50:52 PM »

Fair enough, I'll give you that.

But what if the NFL worked the playoff system so that we saw the Patriots get a giftwrapped super bowl NINE STRAIGHT SEASONS?

The game certainly wouldn't have the selling power it has now.  Commercials wouldn't cost $2+M each.  People wouldn't pay thousands for tickets. 

Too bad the IFBB thinks it has to have a dynasty to have fans.  While it may serve some perverse vision for Uncle Ben, it sucks for the fans.
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« Reply #445 on: May 05, 2006, 09:53:33 PM »

AND- the NFL Players Union has a lot of power.  Athletes don't take the field without a minimum salary of $230,000.   And Troy Vincent, the union rep, doesn't take shit from the league.  Also, interestingly, he's a RETIRED athlete, so no conflict of interest occurs.
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« Reply #446 on: May 05, 2006, 10:01:21 PM »

Fair enough, I'll give you that.

But what if the NFL worked the playoff system so that we saw the Patriots get a giftwrapped super bowl NINE STRAIGHT SEASONS?

The game certainly wouldn't have the selling power it has now.  Commercials wouldn't cost $2+M each.  People wouldn't pay thousands for tickets. 

Too bad the IFBB thinks it has to have a dynasty to have fans.  While it may serve some perverse vision for Uncle Ben, it sucks for the fans.


 I agree with you completely about this. If the IFBB feels that they are as beloved as the NFL or NBA, they are sorely mistaken. The fact that they can be so corrupt means the door is open for other leagues. I wish the PDI the best of luck.

 And yes, to have an athletes rep also compete would not pass muster in a more legitimate sport Undecided
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« Reply #447 on: May 05, 2006, 10:06:33 PM »

He probably could get the records, but there is no reason to fear that he will.

Wouldn't it be funny if Chic broke into BB.com offices to get 240's records.  And it wass all caught on tape.  He had a hood on but it said IFBB on it.  His shirt was a BB.com with Bob C. on it.  It would be great Dumbest Crimminals Show
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« Reply #448 on: May 05, 2006, 10:08:08 PM »

This is a prime example of why the Athlete's Rep. should not be an IFBB Pro him/herself. There is a egregious conflict of interest between Bob and the IFBB. Bob is a "Pro", and therefore, is at the mercy of the IFBB. As we all know the politics involved in this sport are ridiculous, and anyone "going against the grain" will be and has been(Lee Priest) sanctioned. Bob, you are to represent the BB'ers and stick your neck out for the betterment of the sport and the athletes. But given your place in the IFBB and BB'ing you fail in your efforts to represent the athletes in their best interests as a whole.

The athletes deserve better. One way to make things improve is to oust Bob, and replace him with a qualified attorney and/or sports agent. For god's sake, someone that does this for a living, and has no vested interest, other than reasonable payment for services rendered.

I'm done with this. Too much to even begin...


This where Bob comes in and says he doesn't work for the IFBB.  He is the Athletes Rep.
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« Reply #449 on: May 05, 2006, 10:09:40 PM »

Wouldn't it be funny if Chic broke into BB.com offices to get 240's records.  And it wass all caught on tape.  He had a hood on but it said IFBB on it.  His shirt was a BB.com with Bob C. on it.  It would be great Dumbest Crimminals Show

 Hahahahaha, that would be awesome Grin. Imagine Bob trying to explain the situation to his lawyer Grin! Imagine 240 in court testifying against Bob! Grin
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