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« Reply #450 on: May 05, 2006, 10:13:42 PM »

Hahahahaha, that would be awesome Grin. Imagine Bob trying to explain the situation to his lawyer Grin! Imagine 240 in court testifying against Bob! Grin

That would be classic. 
Manion would stand up as a character witness for Bob.

And I'd be trying to sell websites to the jurors during deliberations.
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« Reply #451 on: May 05, 2006, 10:15:27 PM »

That would be classic. 
Manion would stand up as a character witness for Bob.

And I'd be trying to sell websites to the jurors during deliberations.

 Yes, the judge would be listening intently as you described what a melt.down was Grin
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« Reply #452 on: May 05, 2006, 10:16:51 PM »

only every time i used the word m*ltdown in my testimony, Ron Avidan would be in the back of the courtroom yelling "SUPPORT GETBIG!"

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« Reply #453 on: May 05, 2006, 10:19:08 PM »

Hahahahaha, that would be awesome Grin. Imagine Bob trying to explain the situation to his lawyer Grin! Imagine 240 in court testifying against Bob! Grin

Why would he have a lawyer.  I thought he already has a background in Law.  And everyone knows the old saying about representing yourself in court.
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« Reply #454 on: May 05, 2006, 10:19:37 PM »

Lee, consult with a lawyer before you assume that you could have a case.

I think Bob is on the right with this one.

It would be no different than getting fired from a job because you had somebody else clock you out when you were already gone for the day but they don't fire somebody showing up late to work.

The only way the person could file a complaint or lawsuit would be he would have to have knowledge that somebody else that did the exact same thing was not fired or even reprimended.

Then again, this may be a bad example because some states "california" is an at will employment where a job doesn't need an excuse to let you go.
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« Reply #455 on: May 05, 2006, 10:27:15 PM »

I know I'm right on this one...

They often don't let PRIOR convictions in as testimony in a new casse agaainst a person being tried for the same crime, due to the fact that it's irrelevant to THAT particular case and may sway the jury to a biased conclusion based on PAST history.

...and thats involving the SAME person, and HIS history. Forget about using someone else's situation, which may or may not have the EXACT same circumstances and lead to the same outcome.

As I stated earlier...Lee would have a case if HE was suspended, but lets say Vince Taylor was not for the samee exact infraction...now you've got a case.
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« Reply #456 on: May 05, 2006, 10:27:51 PM »

Bob, when the court case goes down, will you be sitting at Lee's table, or at the IFBB's table?
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« Reply #457 on: May 05, 2006, 10:36:30 PM »

I know I'm right on this one...

They often don't let PRIOR convictions in as testimony in a new casse agaainst a person being tried for the same crime, due to the fact that it's irrelevant to THAT particular case and may sway the jury to a biased conclusion based on PAST history.

...and thats involving the SAME person, and HIS history. Forget about using someone else's situation, which may or may not have the EXACT same circumstances and lead to the same outcome.
 
As I stated earlier...Lee would have a case if HE was suspended, but lets say Vince Taylor was not for the samee exact infraction...now you've got a case.


Again....I agree with this.

Been in a similar situation before & Chick is right.  The Judicial system won't hear it.

I actually had to take a different approach & turned the company in on labor violations.  It took awhile but it costed a former employer hundreds of thousands of dollars in violations & all I did was file an "anonymous" report.   Grin

Lee....when there's a will, there's a way....but your approach has no claim that I can see.
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« Reply #458 on: May 05, 2006, 11:16:30 PM »


As I stated earlier...Lee would have a case if HE was suspended, but lets say Vince Taylor was not for the samee exact infraction...now you've got a case.

Yes, he would have to claim - and prove - discrimination.
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« Reply #459 on: May 06, 2006, 02:45:31 AM »

i have never seen pornographic magazines sold at shows/expo's.  do you mean adult material or pornographic?
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« Reply #460 on: May 06, 2006, 03:34:31 AM »

i have never seen pornographic magazines sold at shows/expo's.  do you mean adult material or porographic?

This is my thought as well. 

Lee, what magazines r you talking about as I would like some Cheesy
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« Reply #461 on: May 06, 2006, 07:12:31 AM »

You Don't call the magazines that Denise masino  sells pornorgraphic or her videos.You mean to tell me the IFBB officials have never seen this. MMMMMMMMM.
There a tons of web site of competing pros (female )naked and doing stuff on web cam or video males to.There have been people who have said things in print just like me i got fined or suspended they didn't.No i think there is a case there somewhere.I will have a contract attorney take a good look
So why does the IFBB have all these rules if they are not going to enforce them? They just enforce them when someone who isn't a team players breaks them.
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« Reply #462 on: May 06, 2006, 07:40:50 AM »

i am ignorant of her products.  sorry, i'm not all knowing.
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« Reply #463 on: May 06, 2006, 07:45:48 AM »

Lee, consult with a lawyer before you assume that you could have a case.

I think Bob is on the right with this one.

It would be no different than getting fired from a job because you had somebody else clock you out when you were already gone for the day but they don't fire somebody showing up late to work.

The only way the person could file a complaint or lawsuit would be he would have to have knowledge that somebody else that did the exact same thing was not fired or even reprimended.

Monica Brant has not - and will not be - suspended. 
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« Reply #464 on: May 06, 2006, 07:48:33 AM »

Well, thats a right you give up when you send in your $200, and sign the contract that says you'll abide by the rules as they are set up.

That agreement needs to be re-tooled, bigtime. 

People just sign it because they assume they have no choice.  Get some legal counsel onboard, charge the costs to GetBig, and then re-write that agreement and submit it to the ATHLETE membership for approval. 

Then the federation has no choice but to accept the new terms.
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« Reply #465 on: May 06, 2006, 07:48:53 AM »

Well, thats a right you give up when you send in your $200, and sign the contract that says you'll abide by the rules as they are set up.

As I said in a similiarr thread..I'm not so sure spreading the talent pool is ultimately in the athletes best interests, when were having a tough enough time getting money to more athletes with all of us under one roof!

chick, you don't seem to realize (or been told not acknowledge)
that the PDI will force the IFBB to up its game (prize money), just like the WBF did.
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« Reply #466 on: May 06, 2006, 07:58:11 AM »

The real key is information. 

Lee will need to compile and organize all sorts of evidence of IFBB intimidation, dirty tricks, and corruption. 

Once he's demonstrated the federation's lack of character (which is quite evident to critics like myself, but will have to be proven to a jury), then his case should pretty much be a slam dunk. 

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« Reply #467 on: May 06, 2006, 07:58:42 AM »

That agreement needs to be re-tooled, bigtime. 

People just sign it because they assume they have no choice.  Get some legal counsel onboard, charge the costs to GetBig, and then re-write that agreement and submit it to the ATHLETE membership for approval. 

Then the federation has no choice but to accept the new terms.


Chick, this is good advice.
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« Reply #468 on: May 06, 2006, 08:01:57 AM »

gathering supporting evidence for this kind of case is rather simple with the internet
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« Reply #469 on: May 06, 2006, 08:05:13 AM »

The IFBB is going to be handing out suspensions, reprimands, or whatever they wish to call it.  They get to pick who goes and for what reason.  If they constitute that your actions are far more damaging to the IFBB and its image (take any thread on here for proof, if you want some) then naked women, they have all the grounds they need to suspend you.  All they have to claim again is that your actions are the most damaging to the coporation and offered no other recourse.   Then start addressing the other issues, and give the intent that disciplinary actions will be taken if the aggressors don't stop their actions.  Or they could even state your actions are to grievous to forgive (as yours with the intent to seriously hurt the company) and are looking at revising the existing regulations for a fairer and more just system for the IFBB athletes.  American Corporate law favours the company, always has and will.  Will just a few legal manouvers and structural promises your case is in limbo, but the lawyers that you hire will still need to be paid, or is Wayne going to step up and help out his athletes or just leave you out in the cold. 

IS WAYNE GOING TO STEP UP AND HELP ITS ATHLETES IN MATTERS SUCH AS THIS?


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« Reply #470 on: May 06, 2006, 08:09:39 AM »

gathering supporting evidence for this kind of case is rather simple with the internet

Yes and no.

You're still going to need sworn statements by people willing to address specific allegations against the IFBB, its leadership, and its officials/judges.  Despite all the IFBB-bashing that happens on these boards (95% of it being well-deserved), it's quite a different story when people have to sign their real names to something and cannot just post anonymously on some board. 

So, based on 'internet evidence', there's a mountain of claims that can be made against the fed, but until all that stuff has signatures and real names behind it, it means nothing.


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« Reply #471 on: May 06, 2006, 08:11:40 AM »

All they have to claim again is that your actions are the most damaging to the corporation and offered no other recourse.   

Did that corporation pay its proper share of taxes in the U.S. last year? 

We know they certainly made money in the U.S...
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« Reply #472 on: May 06, 2006, 08:13:55 AM »

Did that corporation pay its proper share of taxes in the U.S. last year? 

We know they certainly made money in the U.S...

That is nice but completely irrelevant to Lee's case of discrimination.  How many other corporations are foreign based?
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« Reply #473 on: May 06, 2006, 08:25:51 AM »

That is nice but completely irrelevant to Lee's case of discrimination.  How many other corporations are foreign based?

Tons, but all legitimate corporations pay something to the IRS.

More importantly, it's not irrelevant.  If in addition to all the other 'stuff' it's demonstrated that the IFBB are tax fraudsters, then that makes his case that much more winnable. 

As of this moment, the entire burden of proof would be upon him and it's going to take a lot of sworn statements in support of his position for him to get this thing to an eventual trial.
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« Reply #474 on: May 06, 2006, 08:30:09 AM »

Yes and no.

You're still going to need sworn statements by people willing to address specific allegations against the IFBB, its leadership, and its officials/judges.  Despite all the IFBB-bashing that happens on these boards (95% of it being well-deserved), it's quite a different story when people have to sign their real names to something and cannot just post anonymously on some board. 

So, based on 'internet evidence', there's a mountain of claims that can be made against the fed, but until all that stuff has signatures and real names behind it, it means nothing.



The average Joe poster isn't going to matter no matter what they sign.  The statements that are only going to be considered are people with actual hands on experience.  I am not sure how many of those people are really going to step up, I am not sure if Lee and his revolution has this kind of support. 

One more thing and then I am going back to bed, I am suffering from "siks de mayo" syndrome.
Everybody is saying Bob should do this for Lee, the moment Lee signed that contract continues to step on the PDI stage how can Bob help him?  Anything Bob tries will be completely brushed aside because Lee is still proceeding with the intent to hurt the company.  Now if there comes a time that Lee or Vince "tear up" their contract and state they have given up working for the PDI, then Bob can do something.  You have to remember that he is only the men's rep for the IFBB.  Anything beyond that little window is cannot be his concern.  Lee and Vince very well knew that signing that contract what would happen and gave up the rights to representation by the IFBB or its representatives.  Same thing goes in any Union, when you step out of their zone of influence you are on your own. 
Sorry Lucious but Bob is not god.


Tons, but all legitimate corporations pay something to the IRS.

More importantly, it's not irrelevant.  If in addition to all the other 'stuff' it's demonstrated that the IFBB are tax fraudsters, then that makes his case that much more winnable. 

As of this moment, the entire burden of proof would be upon him and it's going to take a lot of sworn statements in support of his position for him to get this thing to an eventual trial.

Have you got any proof of this claim? I would be really interested to see it as I am sure the IRS would as well.  Why don't you place a call to the IRS in this matter, I think the American Government even offers a reward for this.  Make the call,  and help Lee out!
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