Extra 50K - What do you guys think?

[LuciusFox]

No independent person with any business acumen will EVER agree that an IFBB Monopoly is better for the fans and the athletes.

Either the person is biased for the IFBB, or blind to how things work and have been working.

monoploies screw both employees (the athletes) and customers (the fans!)
The corporation is calling every shot and taking most of the profits.

  I disagree. Sometimes monopolies occur because it is better to work together and combine strengths than it is to compete. The NBA and NFL have just as much of a monopoly on professional basketball and football as the IFBB does on bodybuilding, and they are both excellent leagues.

[240 is Back]

  I disagree. Sometimes monopolies occur because it is better to work together and combine strengths than it is to compete. The NBA and NFL have just as much of a monopoly on professional basketball and football as the IFBB does on bodybuilding, and they are both excellent leagues.

BUT- when the NFL wasn't that fun, voila!  The XFL appeared.  The NFL adapted, and you saw lots of TD celebrations for 3 years.  Now they're ending that practice.

Likewise, the NBA has the CBA and the USBL and the NBA Europe- they don't compete- they fill diff niches.  Just like the PDI will fill the niche of fans who want to see unpredictable shows with creative stage shows, with no guts.

[Chick]

So you think a strangle hold under the roof of a monopoly is better ------ how come then IFBB affiliates at amateur level allow athletes to compete in other federations as over time they have realised by suspending athletes whom say decide to compete in NABBA (which incidentally does not have a 'sole affiliation' rule),has just dwindled there show numbers thus effectively the rules had to be changed to allow athletes to choose ??

Remembering Nabba is allot bigger than the IFBB in many European country's!!

I really wish people would stop using the phrase "monopoly"..there are plenty of other federations to choose from if you do not wish to join the IFBB. Nabba, as you pointed out is one, If it comes to be, PDI is another, etc, etc...

The key word in your question is AMATEUR. Amateur organizations cannot dictate where athletes can and cannot compete by law. The IFBB  *PRO* league, is professional and there is prize money awarded.

[LuciusFox]

BUT- when the NFL wasn't that fun, voila!  The XFL appeared.  The NFL adapted, and you saw lots of TD celebrations for 3 years.  Now they're ending that practice.

Likewise, the NBA has the CBA and the USBL and the NBA Europe- they don't compete- they fill diff niches.  Just like the PDI will fill the niche of fans who want to see unpredictable shows with creative stage shows, with no guts.

 The NFL wasn't fun when the XFL existed? That's not true at all. The NFL adapted to nothing because the XFL had zero popularity. People had already decided what they wanted. The IFBB is already not the only bodybuilding league. Obviously NABBA exists, as well as natural leagues.

[240 is Back]

Fair enough, I'll give you that.

But what if the NFL worked the playoff system so that we saw the Patriots get a giftwrapped super bowl NINE STRAIGHT SEASONS?

The game certainly wouldn't have the selling power it has now.  Commercials wouldn't cost $2+M each.  People wouldn't pay thousands for tickets. 

Too bad the IFBB thinks it has to have a dynasty to have fans.  While it may serve some perverse vision for Uncle Ben, it sucks for the fans.

[240 is Back]

AND- the NFL Players Union has a lot of power.  Athletes don't take the field without a minimum salary of $230,000.   And Troy Vincent, the union rep, doesn't take shit from the league.  Also, interestingly, he's a RETIRED athlete, so no conflict of interest occurs.

[LuciusFox]

Fair enough, I'll give you that.

But what if the NFL worked the playoff system so that we saw the Patriots get a giftwrapped super bowl NINE STRAIGHT SEASONS?

The game certainly wouldn't have the selling power it has now.  Commercials wouldn't cost $2+M each.  People wouldn't pay thousands for tickets. 

Too bad the IFBB thinks it has to have a dynasty to have fans.  While it may serve some perverse vision for Uncle Ben, it sucks for the fans.

 I agree with you completely about this. If the IFBB feels that they are as beloved as the NFL or NBA, they are sorely mistaken. The fact that they can be so corrupt means the door is open for other leagues. I wish the PDI the best of luck.

 And yes, to have an athletes rep also compete would not pass muster in a more legitimate sport

[onlyme]

He probably could get the records, but there is no reason to fear that he will.

Wouldn't it be funny if Chic broke into BB.com offices to get 240's records.  And it wass all caught on tape.  He had a hood on but it said IFBB on it.  His shirt was a BB.com with Bob C. on it.  It would be great Dumbest Crimminals Show

[onlyme]

This is a prime example of why the Athlete's Rep. should not be an IFBB Pro him/herself. There is a egregious conflict of interest between Bob and the IFBB. Bob is a "Pro", and therefore, is at the mercy of the IFBB. As we all know the politics involved in this sport are ridiculous, and anyone "going against the grain" will be and has been(Lee Priest) sanctioned. Bob, you are to represent the BB'ers and stick your neck out for the betterment of the sport and the athletes. But given your place in the IFBB and BB'ing you fail in your efforts to represent the athletes in their best interests as a whole.

The athletes deserve better. One way to make things improve is to oust Bob, and replace him with a qualified attorney and/or sports agent. For god's sake, someone that does this for a living, and has no vested interest, other than reasonable payment for services rendered.

I'm done with this. Too much to even begin...

This where Bob comes in and says he doesn't work for the IFBB.  He is the Athletes Rep.

[LuciusFox]

Wouldn't it be funny if Chic broke into BB.com offices to get 240's records.  And it wass all caught on tape.  He had a hood on but it said IFBB on it.  His shirt was a BB.com with Bob C. on it.  It would be great Dumbest Crimminals Show

 Hahahahaha, that would be awesome . Imagine Bob trying to explain the situation to his lawyer ! Imagine 240 in court testifying against Bob!

[240 is Back]

Hahahahaha, that would be awesome . Imagine Bob trying to explain the situation to his lawyer ! Imagine 240 in court testifying against Bob!

That would be classic. 
Manion would stand up as a character witness for Bob.

And I'd be trying to sell websites to the jurors during deliberations.

[LuciusFox]

That would be classic. 
Manion would stand up as a character witness for Bob.

And I'd be trying to sell websites to the jurors during deliberations.

 Yes, the judge would be listening intently as you described what a melt.down was

[240 is Back]

only every time i used the word m*ltdown in my testimony, Ron Avidan would be in the back of the courtroom yelling "SUPPORT GETBIG!"

[onlyme]

Hahahahaha, that would be awesome . Imagine Bob trying to explain the situation to his lawyer ! Imagine 240 in court testifying against Bob!

Why would he have a lawyer.  I thought he already has a background in Law.  And everyone knows the old saying about representing yourself in court.

[knny187]

Lee, consult with a lawyer before you assume that you could have a case.

I think Bob is on the right with this one.

It would be no different than getting fired from a job because you had somebody else clock you out when you were already gone for the day but they don't fire somebody showing up late to work.

The only way the person could file a complaint or lawsuit would be he would have to have knowledge that somebody else that did the exact same thing was not fired or even reprimended.

Then again, this may be a bad example because some states "california" is an at will employment where a job doesn't need an excuse to let you go.

[Chick]

I know I'm right on this one...

They often don't let PRIOR convictions in as testimony in a new casse agaainst a person being tried for the same crime, due to the fact that it's irrelevant to THAT particular case and may sway the jury to a biased conclusion based on PAST history.

...and thats involving the SAME person, and HIS history. Forget about using someone else's situation, which may or may not have the EXACT same circumstances and lead to the same outcome.

As I stated earlier...Lee would have a case if HE was suspended, but lets say Vince Taylor was not for the samee exact infraction...now you've got a case.

[240 is Back]

Bob, when the court case goes down, will you be sitting at Lee's table, or at the IFBB's table?

[knny187]

I know I'm right on this one...

They often don't let PRIOR convictions in as testimony in a new casse agaainst a person being tried for the same crime, due to the fact that it's irrelevant to THAT particular case and may sway the jury to a biased conclusion based on PAST history.

...and thats involving the SAME person, and HIS history. Forget about using someone else's situation, which may or may not have the EXACT same circumstances and lead to the same outcome.
 
As I stated earlier...Lee would have a case if HE was suspended, but lets say Vince Taylor was not for the samee exact infraction...now you've got a case.

Again....I agree with this.

Been in a similar situation before & Chick is right.  The Judicial system won't hear it.

I actually had to take a different approach & turned the company in on labor violations.  It took awhile but it costed a former employer hundreds of thousands of dollars in violations & all I did was file an "anonymous" report.   

Lee....when there's a will, there's a way....but your approach has no claim that I can see.

[kmhphoto]

As I stated earlier...Lee would have a case if HE was suspended, but lets say Vince Taylor was not for the samee exact infraction...now you've got a case.

Yes, he would have to claim - and prove - discrimination.

[bigdumbbell]

i have never seen pornographic magazines sold at shows/expo's.  do you mean adult material or pornographic?

[shortfatugly]

i have never seen pornographic magazines sold at shows/expo's.  do you mean adult material or porographic?

This is my thought as well. 

Lee, what magazines r you talking about as I would like some

[Lee_a_priest]

You Don't call the magazines that Denise masino  sells pornorgraphic or her videos.You mean to tell me the IFBB officials have never seen this. MMMMMMMMM.
There a tons of web site of competing pros (female )naked and doing stuff on web cam or video males to.There have been people who have said things in print just like me i got fined or suspended they didn't.No i think there is a case there somewhere.I will have a contract attorney take a good look
So why does the IFBB have all these rules if they are not going to enforce them? They just enforce them when someone who isn't a team players breaks them.

[bigdumbbell]

i am ignorant of her products.  sorry, i'm not all knowing.

[Tre]

Lee, consult with a lawyer before you assume that you could have a case.

I think Bob is on the right with this one.

It would be no different than getting fired from a job because you had somebody else clock you out when you were already gone for the day but they don't fire somebody showing up late to work.

The only way the person could file a complaint or lawsuit would be he would have to have knowledge that somebody else that did the exact same thing was not fired or even reprimended.

Monica Brant has not - and will not be - suspended. 

[Tre]

Well, thats a right you give up when you send in your $200, and sign the contract that says you'll abide by the rules as they are set up.

That agreement needs to be re-tooled, bigtime. 

People just sign it because they assume they have no choice.  Get some legal counsel onboard, charge the costs to GetBig, and then re-write that agreement and submit it to the ATHLETE membership for approval. 

Then the federation has no choice but to accept the new terms.