Extra 50K - What do you guys think?

[240 is Back]

A little birdie told me the IFBB will be backing down when push comes to shove.

Wayne knows there the financial bodies are buried with the IFBB. No saints in this room.

The issue will not be pushed.

[knny187]

You Don't call the magazines that Denise masino  sells pornorgraphic or her videos.You mean to tell me the IFBB officials have never seen this. MMMMMMMMM.
There a tons of web site of competing pros (female )naked and doing stuff on web cam or video males to.There have been people who have said things in print just like me i got fined or suspended they didn't.No i think there is a case there somewhere.I will have a contract attorney take a good look
So why does the IFBB have all these rules if they are not going to enforce them? They just enforce them when someone who isn't a team players breaks them.

Lee....question.....

do you find that kind of material offensive or maybe inappropriate at a public event where obviously families or children may be in attendance?

This sort of this could be more damaging if knowing how to use it.   

[Tre]

Lee....question.....

do you find that kind of material offensive or maybe inappropriate at a public event where obviously families or children may be in attendance?

This sort of this could be more damaging if knowing how to use it.   

That's on the event organizers, though, not the federation. 

[knny187]

That's on the event organizers, though, not the federation. 

True....true.

Scratch that idea Lee....unless you have a beef with them too.

[Tre]

The average Joe poster isn't going to matter no matter what they sign.  The statements that are only going to be considered are people with actual hands on experience.  I am not sure how many of those people are really going to step up, I am not sure if Lee and his revolution has this kind of support. 

Who'd you think I was talking about?  Of course it will require people with first-hand knowledge of various situations.  It's no longer some mickey mouse game when you start pursuing costly litigation.

Everybody is saying Bob should do this for Lee, the moment Lee signed that contract continues to step on the PDI stage how can Bob help him?  Anything Bob tries will be completely brushed aside because Lee is still proceeding with the intent to hurt the company.

Assuming Lee paid his 200 bucks for this year then, according to 'their rules', Bob is his rep.  

Same thing goes in any Union, when you step out of their zone of influence you are on your own.

 

So you agree they need a true performer-athlete union?

Have you got any proof of this claim? I would be really interested to see it as I am sure the IRS would as well.  Why don't you place a call to the IRS in this matter, I think the American Government even offers a reward for this.  Make the call,  and help Lee out!

I'd be very interested in knowing the answer myself.  They're conducting business in the U.S., so surely they're paying taxes in the U.S....right?  

 

[LuciusFox]

The IFBB is going to be handing out suspensions, reprimands, or whatever they wish to call it.  They get to pick who goes and for what reason.  If they constitute that your actions are far more damaging to the IFBB and its image (take any thread on here for proof, if you want some) then naked women, they have all the grounds they need to suspend you.  All they have to claim again is that your actions are the most damaging to the coporation and offered no other recourse.   Then start addressing the other issues, and give the intent that disciplinary actions will be taken if the aggressors don't stop their actions.  Or they could even state your actions are to grievous to forgive (as yours with the intent to seriously hurt the company) and are looking at revising the existing regulations for a fairer and more just system for the IFBB athletes.  American Corporate law favours the company, always has and will.  Will just a few legal manouvers and structural promises your case is in limbo, but the lawyers that you hire will still need to be paid, or is Wayne going to step up and help out his athletes or just leave you out in the cold. 

IS WAYNE GOING TO STEP UP AND HELP ITS ATHLETES IN MATTERS SUCH AS THIS?

  Please use paragraphs.

[Tre]

  Please use paragraphs.

Racq is on a rampage.

Let the man stream that conscience! 

[LuciusFox]

The average Joe poster isn't going to matter no matter what they sign.  The statements that are only going to be considered are people with actual hands on experience.  I am not sure how many of those people are really going to step up, I am not sure if Lee and his revolution has this kind of support. 

One more thing and then I am going back to bed, I am suffering from "siks de mayo" syndrome.
Everybody is saying Bob should do this for Lee, the moment Lee signed that contract continues to step on the PDI stage how can Bob help him?  Anything Bob tries will be completely brushed aside because Lee is still proceeding with the intent to hurt the company.  Now if there comes a time that Lee or Vince "tear up" their contract and state they have given up working for the PDI, then Bob can do something.  You have to remember that he is only the men's rep for the IFBB.  Anything beyond that little window is cannot be his concern.  Lee and Vince very well knew that signing that contract what would happen and gave up the rights to representation by the IFBB or its representatives.  Same thing goes in any Union, when you step out of their zone of influence you are on your own. 
Sorry Lucious but Bob is not god.


Have you got any proof of this claim? I would be really interested to see it as I am sure the IRS would as well.  Why don't you place a call to the IRS in this matter, I think the American Government even offers a reward for this.  Make the call,  and help Lee out!

   Sorry Lucious but Bob is not god....I know that Bob is not God. He only shares similarities with Him.

[Tre]

   Sorry Lucious but Bob is not god....I know that Bob is not God. He only shares similarities to Him.

Since god's "son" was Black, does that mean that God is - or was - Black, too??

[LifterChick]

I whole-heartedly agree that there needs to be a true performer-athlete union, but that is extremely unlikely as this point in time.  If Bob can’t even get more then 6 Athletes to show enough interest to even attend a meeting, how can anybody gain enough support to entrench a Union in the IFBB? 

So until then the IFBB (men’s division) has an athlete’s rep, whom is unpaid for his efforts and can only do little things and hopefully build up momentum and support to tackle the big outstanding issues.  If Bob stands up and demands this or that Uncle Ben is just going to wipe the entire position off the map.  This isn’t a Union and has no legal protection.

All the PDI supporters on here complain that Bob is a company man, remember Uncle Ben can decide that the position is not warranted for any reason and terminate the project.  Then who would benefit?  Bob would, it would free up more time to pursue his own career choices, allow him to make more money and to prepare for future shows, if that is his wish.

Please clarify why Bob should focus his attentions on Lee and letting him compete in another federation as opposed to concentrating on making the IFBB more profitable and fair to the majority of the athletes who as of now are loyal to the IFBB.  In other words should the athletes rep forego all other avenues to help Lee?  He is only one man with no staff; he cannot do it all alone.

Bottom line, everybody should stand up and support Bob in his efforts to change the corrupt system instead of trying to submarine his efforts.  Who are you really helping when you do this?

I’m not saying I disagree with the idea that the professional athletes should be allowed to compete in both organizations.  My point his get off your asses and help out to make it a reality if that is what you really want.


HDRCOR do you have a draft copy of that petition ready yet?  I can help word it for you to take to all the other athletes if you like.

[LifterChick]

Back to Lee’s “legal case”
A precedent has already been set in a similar matter and the athlete.  The NHL suspended Bob Probert for his constant use of the substance abuse program.  How many NHL players break the rules and regulations of the league and are not reprimanded, more then I can count.  The head of the NHL even stated that it is not a right to play in the NHL but a privilege.
The law that keeps being poorly quoted is the one where the IFBB cannot impede an athlete from making a living and they are not.  Lee is free to compete anywhere else he chooses.  Which so happens to be the same argument the NHL used in Bob Probert’s case.  Now before you say Bob Probert was a paid athlete (which is true) but the Detroit Red Wings and not the NHL paid him.  The NHL has a strong union, albeit a bit weaker today, but they couldn’t change the outcome.
The IFBB is Ben’s game and he has the legal right to say who gets to play on his court or not.


I'm going to put my soap box away now, be happy.

[Palpatine Q]

Back to Lee’s “legal case”
A precedent has already been set in a similar matter and the athlete.  The NHL suspended Bob Probert for his constant use of the substance abuse program.  How many NHL players break the rules and regulations of the league and are not reprimanded, more then I can count.  The head of the NHL even stated that it is not a right to play in the NHL but a privilege.
The law that keeps being poorly quoted is the one where the IFBB cannot impede an athlete from making a living and they are not.  Lee is free to compete anywhere else he chooses.  Which so happens to be the same argument the NHL used in Bob Probert’s case.  Now before you say Bob Probert was a paid athlete (which is true) but the Detroit Red Wings and not the NHL paid him.  The NHL has a strong union, albeit a bit weaker today, but they couldn’t change the outcome.
The IFBB is Ben’s game and he has the legal right to say who gets to play on his court or not.


I'm going to put my soap box away now, be happy.

DAYUMMMM.  Yer pretty smart fer a stripper.

[LifterChick]

DAYUMMMM.  Yer pretty smart fer a stripper.

Thanks, Blonde also. I wasn't always a stripper.  I used to be an EMT-A until I burned out.  Stripping is my brain dead, no stress alternative for now.

[LuciusFox]

Since god's "son" was Black, does that mean that God is - or was - Black, too??

 Maybe, unless they do a paternity test and find out that God was not the father

[shortfatugly]

You Don't call the magazines that Denise masino  sells pornorgraphic or her videos.You mean to tell me the IFBB officials have never seen this. MMMMMMMMM.
There a tons of web site of competing pros (female )naked and doing stuff on web cam or video males to.There have been people who have said things in print just like me i got fined or suspended they didn't.No i think there is a case there somewhere.I will have a contract attorney take a good look
So why does the IFBB have all these rules if they are not going to enforce them? They just enforce them when someone who isn't a team players breaks them.

oh yeah.. muscular elegance or something like that...  man....   the clit on her is something else...

and Heather Tristany....mmmmm heather tristany...  or should I say Mistress Heater....she's something.. although she is no longer competing.. wise move as she is making more bucks in a much more respectable market. 

[a_joker10]

All sports organization unions have athletes reps from each team. The president of the NBAPA is Antonio Davis.Also most leagues have a non-competition clause in the contracts. Player in the NFL cannot play in the CFL or Arena.Bowl, bu they can play in Europe because the NFL owns the league The days of Deon Sanders or other two sport stars are over. No one wants to pay for someone that gets hurt.

The better sport to compare with is boxing, boxing doesn't have athlete representation and there isn't a strong union. The athletes in Boxing are regulated through the government. Young boxers are taken advantage all of the time because they cannot understand the contracts they sign and don't have legal representation. The advantage with government regulation is that any athlete can compete in boxing federation.

I don't think the IFBB is wrong in asking for this. I also think that any athlete that wants to be a member better think about it before they join. I don't know if a union is what is needed. I think an association that has lawyers so that fair contracts can be made would be a good starting point.
The athletes in bodybuilding must help themselves, if the PDI looks like a better venture then go for it. Until the athletes take the power of unfair contracting away from the federations then this will continue no matter what the federation.

If you feel that each athlete is treated differently then in contract law there is a term called Estoppal (English common law), I don't no the American term but there are American lawyers on this site, which means that if you allow one person to do something against the contract then that part of the contract is void.
This ensures that the contract is fair for all.

The Bob Probert arguement fails to mention that he would never be allowed to compete in the NHL again. Theo Fluery is also in that group.

[Saskbb]

When comparing other pro sports to BB what do you see:

1.  Baseball/football/basketball/hockey pros all have lawyers as agents
2.  ""                                        ""    players reps orgs. are lead by lawyers/business processionals and not current players.  It is impossible for Bob to comp. and be a hard ass in a sport like BB being a hard ass is professional suicide.
3.  The bulk of the money in bodybuilding is made in sups and muscle mags, not the shows ( a baseball weekend during the playoffs in baseball make more money than all the bb shows in one year).


So what is the answer, the pros need a pro union, simple lead by a hard ass lawyer who has balls!!!  Will this happen?  LMAO never!

[LifterChick]

All sports organization unions have athletes reps from each team. The president of the NBAPA is Antonio Davis.Also most leagues have a non-competition clause in the contracts. Player in the NFL cannot play in the CFL or Arena.Bowl, bu they can play in Europe because the NFL owns the league The days of Deon Sanders or other two sport stars are over. No one wants to pay for someone that gets hurt.

The better sport to compare with is boxing, boxing doesn't have athlete representation and there isn't a strong union. The athletes in Boxing are regulated through the government. Young boxers are taken advantage all of the time because they cannot understand the contracts they sign and don't have legal representation. The advantage with government regulation is that any athlete can compete in boxing federation.

I don't think the IFBB is wrong in asking for this. I also think that any athlete that wants to be a member better think about it before they join. I don't know if a union is what is needed. I think an association that has lawyers so that fair contracts can be made would be a good starting point.
The athletes in bodybuilding must help themselves, if the PDI looks like a better venture then go for it. Until the athletes take the power of unfair contracting away from the federations then this will continue no matter what the federation.

If you feel that each athlete is treated differently then in contract law there is a term called Estoppal (English common law), I don't no the American term but there are American lawyers on this site, which means that if you allow one person to do something against the contract then that part of the contract is void.
This ensures that the contract is fair for all.

The Bob Probert arguement fails to mention that he would never be allowed to compete in the NHL again. Theo Fluery is also in that group.

Great points!
But be careful dear they will start to call you Bob's Bimbo or Manion's Slut, amongst other colorful names.

[a_joker10]

I don't think that there should be an athletes representative on the IFBB. The IFBB is a for profit company and there could be some perceived collusion.

It is much better for all of the athletes to form a Representative body. This group doesn't need all of the athletes, just enough to pay for a lawyer to go through the contracts they sign and to make sure they are not get screwed over.

The IFBB and PDI would have lawyers trying to make the contracts as one side as possible, in the end the only recourse other then walking away is to fight back with legal representation of your own.

[bigdumbbell]

IFBB probodybuilders are independent contractors. they are not in sports.

[Lee_a_priest]

The IFBB is going to be handing out suspensions, reprimands, or whatever they wish to call it.  They get to pick who goes and for what reason.  If they constitute that your actions are far more damaging to the IFBB and its image (take any thread on here for proof, if you want some) then naked women, they have all the grounds they need to suspend you.  All they have to claim again is that your actions are the most damaging to the coporation and offered no other recourse.   Then start addressing the other issues, and give the intent that disciplinary actions will be taken if the aggressors don't stop their actions.  Or they could even state your actions are to grievous to forgive (as yours with the intent to seriously hurt the company) and are looking at revising the existing regulations for a fairer and more just system for the IFBB athletes.  American Corporate law favours the company, always has and will.  Will just a few legal manouvers and structural promises your case is in limbo, but the lawyers that you hire will still need to be paid, or is Wayne going to step up and help out his athletes or just leave you out in the cold. 

IS WAYNE GOING TO STEP UP AND HELP ITS ATHLETES IN MATTERS SUCH AS THIS?

UMM Pros being busted for drug sale does that do anything to the IFBBS image.I think it does and what was done to these athletes?

[Lee_a_priest]

The average Joe poster isn't going to matter no matter what they sign.  The statements that are only going to be considered are people with actual hands on experience.  I am not sure how many of those people are really going to step up, I am not sure if Lee and his revolution has this kind of support. 

One more thing and then I am going back to bed, I am suffering from "siks de mayo" syndrome.
Everybody is saying Bob should do this for Lee, the moment Lee signed that contract continues to step on the PDI stage how can Bob help him?  Anything Bob tries will be completely brushed aside because Lee is still proceeding with the intent to hurt the company.  Now if there comes a time that Lee or Vince "tear up" their contract and state they have given up working for the PDI, then Bob can do something.  You have to remember that he is only the men's rep for the IFBB.  Anything beyond that little window is cannot be his concern.  Lee and Vince very well knew that signing that contract what would happen and gave up the rights to representation by the IFBB or its representatives.  Same thing goes in any Union, when you step out of their zone of influence you are on your own. 
Sorry Lucious but Bob is not god.


Have you got any proof of this claim? I would be really interested to see it as I am sure the IRS would as well.  Why don't you place a call to the IRS in this matter, I think the American Government even offers a reward for this.  Make the call,  and help Lee out!

As far as i know i m still an IFBB pro aren't i.

[Lee_a_priest]

Lee....question.....

do you find that kind of material offensive or maybe inappropriate at a public event where obviously families or children may be in attendance?

This sort of this could be more damaging if knowing how to use it.   

Of course it is i couldn't beleive they were selling it when i saw it and th ephotos they had.Even the hiddens photos under the table with little stickys on certain body parts.

[knny187]

As far as i know i m still an IFBB pro aren't i.

you got your "offical" membership card?

 

[knny187]

Of course it is i couldn't beleive they were selling it when i saw it and th ephotos they had.Even the hiddens photos under the table with little stickys on certain body parts.

Amazing......


I wonder why they just don't set up a booth & sell gear right there.  I mean if you can sell pornographic material at a booth....why can't you sell gear?  We'll even get a Doctor involved to fill prescriptions that way it's legit.