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Re: Will your STATIN medicine give you DEMENTIA?
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2024, 11:05:33 PM »
Standard of Care.

Insurance companies and the profession prescribe accepted treatments and doctors must abide by them or risk getting sued.

Like Joe Swift's doc automatically prescribed statins when his cholesterol hit a certain point, even though she later said it didn't matter.

Your insurance company will usually only reimburse you for these accepted treatments.

For example, my health insurance will only pay 100% for certain basic bloodwork at my annual physical.  Anything beyond that is subject to a deductible.

Most doctors today sit in front of you with their laptop and ask you questions off a checklist.

They hit enter and out pops the diagnosis and treatment.

Your 10 minutes are up.  Next.

Repeat process until quitting time.

Yes but oddly enough Mr Swift will take advices from Doctors who prescribe his Diazepam

He also trusts his steroid dealers & probably doesn't really know what he's taking in conjunction with the other medication.


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« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2024, 11:11:55 PM »
So you're a weakling who needs Doctors.
No actually I'm a strong minded person who didn't go on any rehabilitation but was offered it twice.

I got myself back up on my feet as soon as possible, started walking every morning & then mornings & evenings.

I now cycle daily & weight train.
So you don't know me at all.


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« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2024, 12:07:21 AM »
Yes but oddly enough Mr Swift will take advices from Doctors who prescribe his Diazepam

He also trusts his steroid dealers & probably doesn't really know what he's taking in conjunction with the other medication.
I dont get diazepam from my doctor and seldom take them anymore
Occasionally if I want a good nights sleep

As for the other things, I make an informed decision.
You think I just randomly buy shit I have no idea where it comes from?

We should make informed decisions it appears you just "believe all doctors and consultants" because they know best.

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Re: Will your STATIN medicine give you DEMENTIA?
« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2024, 12:11:40 AM »
I dont get diazepam from my doctor and seldom take them anymore
Occasionally if I want a good nights sleep

As for the other things, I make an informed decision.
You think I just randomly buy shit I have no idea where it comes from?

We should make informed decisions it appears you just "believe all doctors and consultants" because they know best.
I don't just believe anything as you repeatedly write.
What you take & where you get it is no real concern of mine.

Whilst on the subject of side effects read this ...
https://summitmalibu.com/blog/valium-side-effects-uses-and-withdrawal-diazepam/

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« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2024, 12:18:26 AM »
I don't just believe anything as you repeatedly write.
What you take & where you get it is no real concern of mine.

Whilst on the subject of side effects read this ...
https://summitmalibu.com/blog/valium-side-effects-uses-and-withdrawal-diazepam/
there isnt a medicine out there that doesnt have potential side effects

Paracetamol

tiredness
breathlessness
your fingers and lips to go blue
anaemia (low red blood cell count)
liver and kidney damage
heart disease and stroke if you have high blood pressure

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Re: Will your STATIN medicine give you DEMENTIA?
« Reply #55 on: August 09, 2024, 12:28:13 AM »
there isnt a medicine out there that doesnt have potential side effects

Paracetamol

tiredness
breathlessness
your fingers and lips to go blue
anaemia (low red blood cell count)
liver and kidney damage
heart disease and stroke if you have high blood pressure
Pros & Cons to everything in life.

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Re: Will your STATIN medicine give you DEMENTIA?
« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2024, 11:20:53 AM »
there isnt a medicine out there that doesnt have potential side effects


Absolutely true.

It's all about what trade offs you are willing to accept.
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Re: Will your STATIN medicine give you DEMENTIA?
« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2024, 11:24:19 AM »
Water will kill you if you overdose on it (drown).

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« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2024, 11:36:53 AM »
Water will kill you if you overdose on it (drown).
"Too much" of anything is bad for you

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Re: Will your STATIN medicine give you DEMENTIA?
« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2024, 03:12:39 AM »
I had Gall Bladder issues not all that long ago.....I had to quit training just as I was starting back after a long layoff and went to see a surgeon that the hospital recommended.

She told me this all in the same breath that...."It`s probably nothing,but we should remove your Gall Bladder".

I quickly said goodbye!!

I recently stopped taking my statin medicine (Rosuvastatin))......don`t know if it was a bad move or not......hopefully not.

Prior to stopping I asked my then GP if I should stop, and she frantically told me no,that they were what was basically keeping me alive.....gimme` a break.

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« Reply #60 on: August 10, 2024, 10:37:37 AM »
I had Gall Bladder issues not all that long ago.....I had to quit training just as I was starting back after a long layoff and went to see a surgeon that the hospital recommended.

She told me this all in the same breath that...."It`s probably nothing,but we should remove your Gall Bladder".

I quickly said goodbye!!

I recently stopped taking my statin medicine (Rosuvastatin))......don`t know if it was a bad move or not......hopefully not.

Prior to stopping I asked my then GP if I should stop, and she frantically told me no,that they were what was basically keeping me alive.....gimme` a break.

You should have fvcking demolished her office using her lifeless body and nail her head to the wall for others to see

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Re: Will your STATIN medicine give you DEMENTIA?
« Reply #61 on: August 10, 2024, 11:02:23 AM »
You should have fvcking demolished her office using her lifeless body and nail her head to the wall for others to see
I thought about it believe me brother!   ;D

When I told my therapist about this surgeon.....here`s what she said:

"Ya know Tim,surgeons make a ton of money".

Meaning of course, that they perform a lot of unnecessary surgeries just to make a ton of fucking cash.

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« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2024, 11:39:02 AM »
I thought about it believe me brother!   ;D

When I told my therapist about this surgeon.....here`s what she said:

"Ya know Tim,surgeons make a ton of money".

Meaning of course, that they perform a lot of unnecessary surgeries just to make a ton of fucking cash.

Most people that study medicine are snobs, nerds, weirdos etc. Once they graduate they become "somebody". Brainwashed, indoctrinated fvcks with zero capability of thinking beyond what they were thought. 

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Re: Will your STATIN medicine give you DEMENTIA?
« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2024, 01:54:47 PM »
Metabolism (the electron transport chain in mitochondria) is the most fundamental process in Eukaryotes. CoQ-10 is necessary for this process. Statins suppress the production of CoQ-10, thus inhibiting the most fundamental process in complex life. From this standpoint alone, it is irrational to take any statin whatsoever.

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« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2024, 02:03:14 PM »
Metabolism (the electron transport chain in mitochondria) is the most fundamental process in Eukaryotes. CoQ-10 is necessary for this process. Statins suppress the production of CoQ-10, thus inhibiting the most fundamental process in complex life. From this standpoint alone, it is irrational to take any statin whatsoever.

COQ10 was originally in the statin pill but removed due to cost, per Mark Sisson.  Can easily supplement it cheap though.
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« Reply #65 on: August 10, 2024, 02:20:01 PM »
At one point the FDA was trying to convince statin users not to supplement with CoQ-10.

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« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2024, 02:48:43 PM »
At one point the FDA was trying to convince statin users not to supplement with CoQ-10.
NEVER trust any Government Agency, NEVER!
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« Reply #67 on: August 19, 2024, 03:51:24 AM »
Is that really a thing?

Maybe it is, but most folks get a physical at least once a year and get bloodwork.

At the higher doses the newer more potent statins (rosuvastatin and atorvastatin) will lower the LDL around 50% in most people.

There are newer drugs which are PSCK9 inhibitors and are injectable rather than oral. They can lower the LDL much more.

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« Reply #68 on: August 19, 2024, 04:39:06 AM »
I dont remember seeing this thread before...

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« Reply #69 on: August 19, 2024, 02:33:23 PM »
Most people that study medicine are snobs, nerds, weirdos etc. Once they graduate they become "somebody". Brainwashed, indoctrinated fvcks with zero capability of thinking beyond what they were thought.

I know of a doctor and I know one getbigger who was treated by him, who, no matter what the ailment he would stick a finger up your ass. The called him "The Anal Doctor."

Outside the box, free thinking, for the win.

In Africa of you have mental problems they will hack your skull open.
Alternatively they will just slap you hard.

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« Reply #70 on: August 19, 2024, 02:36:58 PM »
I know of a doctor and I know one getbigger who was treated by him, who, no matter what the ailment he would stick a finger up your ass. The called him "The Anal Doctor."

Outside the box, free thinking, for the win.
I got a finger up the ass from him and I only called in to get directions..

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« Reply #71 on: August 19, 2024, 02:41:41 PM »
At the higher doses the newer more potent statins (rosuvastatin and atorvastatin) will lower the LDL around 50% in most people.

There are newer drugs which are PSCK9 inhibitors and are injectable rather than oral. They can lower the LDL much more.

I was put on rosuvastatin and the side effects were bad enough that I had to discontinue use.
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« Reply #72 on: August 19, 2024, 03:02:00 PM »
I was put on rosuvastatin and the side effects were bad enough that I had to discontinue use.

If it was muscle pains you could consider a reattempt with adding coenzyme q10 to an alternative statin. Some people can tolerate one statin but not another. Usually pravastatin or pitavastatin are better tolerated than rosuvastatin or atorvastatin. The injectable medications are expensive and usually not covered by insurance unless you've had a stent or a bypass (but should have less risk of muscle pains).

If the indication was for treatment of high cholesterol without having had heart disease or strokes it's understandable you might not want to risk the side effects. With my family history I was more concerned about heart disease than potential dementia or muscle pains so I am pretty aggressive with minimizing cardiac risks (along with lifestyle modifications, diet, exercise etc).

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« Reply #73 on: August 19, 2024, 04:30:04 PM »
If it was muscle pains you could consider a reattempt with adding coenzyme q10 to an alternative statin. Some people can tolerate one statin but not another. Usually pravastatin or pitavastatin are better tolerated than rosuvastatin or atorvastatin. The injectable medications are expensive and usually not covered by insurance unless you've had a stent or a bypass (but should have less risk of muscle pains).

If the indication was for treatment of high cholesterol without having had heart disease or strokes it's understandable you might not want to risk the side effects. With my family history I was more concerned about heart disease than potential dementia or muscle pains so I am pretty aggressive with minimizing cardiac risks (along with lifestyle modifications, diet, exercise etc).

I was on low dose simva for a long time.  Bloodwork pre Covid was stellar.

In 2020, it went a bit haywire.  Still unsure why, but I went from a total of 175 up to 300.  I was eating more meat, but that's a huge spike.

New cardio doc put me on rosu, and it dropped to 200 pretty quickly, without dietary changes.  Muscle cramps and spasm were too much - I have always supplemented COQ10 during all these.

Moved me to prava 40mg and it went back up to the 250 range.  So he went to prava 80 + ezetimibe.  I have to get lipid panel in a week.

I also told him if I'm going to stay on the drugs and up the dose, I'm also going to restrict sat fat to less than 10g most days.  Also started running more because that was the only thing that ever raised my good cholesterol.

I am aware of the trig ratios, apob and all the other tests. My apoB test was fine.  I am also aware of all the arguments on both sides of the statin coin.  I am following the doc right now to see.

I may get a full genetic panel evaluation if my numbers aren't good.  I really want to get to the root cause of what changed post pandemic.  I do know I did a shit ton more running back then, but unsure of the effect.
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« Reply #74 on: August 19, 2024, 06:21:46 PM »
I was on low dose simva for a long time.  Bloodwork pre Covid was stellar.

In 2020, it went a bit haywire.  Still unsure why, but I went from a total of 175 up to 300.  I was eating more meat, but that's a huge spike.

New cardio doc put me on rosu, and it dropped to 200 pretty quickly, without dietary changes.  Muscle cramps and spasm were too much - I have always supplemented COQ10 during all these.

Moved me to prava 40mg and it went back up to the 250 range.  So he went to prava 80 + ezetimibe.  I have to get lipid panel in a week.

I also told him if I'm going to stay on the drugs and up the dose, I'm also going to restrict sat fat to less than 10g most days.  Also started running more because that was the only thing that ever raised my good cholesterol.

I am aware of the trig ratios, apob and all the other tests. My apoB test was fine.  I am also aware of all the arguments on both sides of the statin coin.  I am following the doc right now to see.

I may get a full genetic panel evaluation if my numbers aren't good.  I really want to get to the root cause of what changed post pandemic.  I do know I did a shit ton more running back then, but unsure of the effect.

If there were no other medicine changes then I'd assume the increased cholesterol was from the difference in diet and exercise. I don't know if there is a specific test that would answer your question as to a root cause (if you do get a test showing a definitive answer I'd be curious to know it!). Hopefully the pravastatin and ezetimibe gets you to prepandemic numbers. If you don't have stents or bypass adding additional meds beyond what you're on now has rapidly diminishing returns (and poor end point data) and I think probably not worthwhile, but there's variability in how people approach that situation and some doctors do chase numbers.