Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[nicorulez]

Hulkster, I agree with you but the reality is that this showdown with impartial judging will never occur.  If the tables were turned and Dorian was just now coming onto the scene, Ronnie would get the nod whether he was in shape or not.  ND was correct in that the reigning champ has not lost in like 22 years.  Thus, I see no way that an in shape Coleman would lose to a hypothetical upcoming Dorian if their careers were reversed.  Personally, I like the pre 1994 Dorian and give him major props.  I have always said I prefer Haney and by responses to the one thread about Dorian vs Haney, a lot of people feel similarly.  However, regardless how much "fact" you and ND throw at each other, the situation will not change.  ND will continue to believe what he wants and you will cont. with your opinions.  However, I don't think ND hates Coleman.  I think he could give two shits about him.  He is stating what he feels is an objective opinion; has he ever met the man?  You dislike Dorian's physique.  Good, however, I bet you would like Dorian the person as he is apparently a pretty nice guy.  What is really funny is that Ronnie and Dorian are apparently good friends.  Ronnie has publicly stated Dorian was the man and Dorian has stated the opposite about Ronnie.  Hell, when they can admit that the other kicks ass, it is not my place to dispute them.  In the end, both are great champions.  You prefer chocolate and ND prefers vanilla  .  However, by all means keep whaling away at each other as the entertainment value is priceless.

[freeagain]

i wish some technical wizards cuz merge footage of dorian from say 93 or 96 onstage at the olympia with coleman's mr O appearances.

coleman would be bigger .. but dorian would look so much more dense and granite like .. and of course when the mandatory poses are hit head to head.. we can see dorian's eye poppin standout bodyparts takin apart coleman round after round.

front lat spread .. yates ..... back double -bi  oooohhhh coleman got better bicep peaks but i still feel dorians sick back will make ronnie's look like a watery sack of s'hit. ab n thigh yates ... most muscular - coleman.

i think the judges would have a real head-ache pickin a clear winner. every contest result would be controversial and excitin for the sport.i still think yates convincingly pwns cutler .. and thats enough to get him close to coleman and beyond.

posin round defo yates without a doubt - his routines were cool as f'uck .. coleman is still spastic like and struggles to get all his poses in time for the end of the music. 

PLUS YATE'S DOMINANT PRESENCE ONSTAGE SUCKIN THE WILL FROM COLEMAN AND MONOPOLISIN THE JUDGES ATTENTION.

i see yates as the alpha male onstage still .. and by a good margin!

[Hulkster]

part of the reason why Dorian has this myth surrounding his condition is that everyone he faced was way smaller than he was.

Coleman was far harder and more detailed than Yates ever was:




compare these quads to dorian's watery balloons











ronnie would make Dorian look soft.

dorian's level of conditioning:


does not look all that great. Looks terrible compared to Ronnie - just look at the pics.
 He may have been hard, but he didn't have the goods to show off.

the only exception is his lower back, which was the greatest of all time.

[suckmymuscle]

Yes, his lack of detail is amazing

  His amount of details is fine, what you would expect from a bodybuilder who's still several weeks off from the show. Ansl look a that symmetrical massivness and granite density!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[FREAKgeek]

ronnie's lat width in this photo is just insane. Also, his calves hold up pretty well too.

[suckmymuscle]

yeah, saying that because Yates beat some 280 pound guys like Fux means that he would beat a 280 pound Coleman is hilarious.

Man, these dorian guys are so desperate they will say anything

  Do you know what's the difference betwenn a 280+lbs Aaron Baker, Jean-Pierre Fux and Nasser, on the one hand and a 280+ Coleman on the other? That the former three look BETTER than Ronnie! Why? Because they still look like bodybuilders at that weight and nt some off-season powerlifter or some parasite-infected alien-queen pregnant bitch at that weight. These men, having larger frames than Ronnie's, can actually still have proportions and shape at that weight; something Ronnie loses whn his bodyweight surpasss even 260 lbs.

  HA HA HA! You shouldn't even be mentioning the 280+ Ronnie:he is gross and deformed. At 285 lbs, Fux had beautiful lines, with long muscle bellies and SUPERB proportions. Sure, Ronnie has more muscle than fux at that weight, just because his frame is smaller!

  You can't weight 280+ lbs at a height of 5'11 with a medium-sized frame: your muscles start to pile onto on another and overblow your frame.

  The botom line that you don't want to admit, Sukster, is that Ronnie's greater size in 2003 and 2004 is meaningless, because he loses his strenghs(his V-taper and muscular details) when he comes over 260 lbs. And also, that Dorian defeated, over and over again, several guys who actually looked BETTER than Ronnie at the 280+ lbs range. At the bodyweight which is ideal for them both, the 250 lbs range, Dorian rapes Ronnie onstage. As he, in fact, did several times. Game over. You lose.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

You want striations ? 1993 Mr Olympia , his lower lats are feathered with them and his christmastree has never been so striated , and guess what he has striated glutes as well , his itercostles & obliques were shredded and he had striations in his chest , and striations are genetic , so you say " Dorian doesn't have as many as Ronnie " I counter with " Ronnie doesn't have as many as Andres Munzer " and why some don't have any at all no matter how lean they get !!

  Yes, ND, no one has ever looked that dry and striated. It goes to show Yates' superiority, when it comes to striations, dryness and overall hardness when the likes of Benaziza, Peter McGough, Jim Schmaltz, Samir Bannout, Tom Platz and Julian Schmidt acknowledge Dorian as the greatest ever. Oh, and also Ronnie Coleman(at least in lats and conditioning, which Coleman has publicly admitted to Dorian being the best ever)!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

part of the reason why Dorian has this myth surrounding his condition is that everyone he faced was way smaller than he was.

Coleman was far harder and more detailed than Yates ever was:



ronnie would make Dorian look soft.

dorian's level of conditioning:


does not look all that great. Looks terrible compared to Ronnie - just look at the pics.
 He may have been hard, but he didn't have the goods to show off.

the only exception is his lower back, which was the greatest of all time.

Boy you're stuck on stupid , now Dorian's conditioning is a myth? its 2006 and people are still talking about it lol and now you've come to the conclusion itts a myth ? lol Peter McGough said about Yates conditioning " He has skin like tissue paper "  and how would competing with guys who were " way smaller than him " be an advantage ? and who was smaller?

1991 Mr Olympia - Dorian Yates 242lbs - Lee Haney 250lbs
1992 Mr Olympia - Dorian Yates 242lbs - Kevin Levrone 240lbs
1993 Mr Olympia - Dorian Yates 257lbs - Lou Ferigno 317lbs
1993 Mr Olympia - Dorian Yates 257lbs - Paul Dillet 270lbs
1994 Mr Olympia - Dorian Yates 262lbs - Achim Albrecht 260lbs

The list goes on and on Yates beat Nasser who was 280lbs , Ian Harrison who was 270lbs , Paul DeMayo who was 250lbs ,Jean Pierre Fux who was 275lbs , Ronnie Coleman who was 250lbs , Dorian beat a LOT of bigger guys , so there goes that theory , man this thread has turned out to be your worse nightmare lol and ironically I was trying to extend an olive branch lol

Hulkster please pay attention to this statement very carefully , The general consenus with Dorian is , you have to see him in person , pictures or video DO NOT do him justice , you're basing your claims on a few internet pictures , Dorian dominated the 1990s for a reason , 17 contests 15 Pro wins , lost just twice and never finished lower than 2nd in a contest , do you think thats a fluke? you think Dorian managed to pull the wool over the judges eyes 15 times? with 6 Olympia wins in a row? just because you don't like his physique and think Ronnie is better , doesn't mean Dorian wasn't that good , look at his record he was just that good .

p.s. I'm still laughing at Dorian's conditioning being a " myth " lol

[suckmymuscle]

NarsisisticDeity and Hulkster are both 16 year old homosexual muscle worshipers.



Who the hell argues over the appearance of half naked musclemen except homosexuals? I mean c'mon!

  What the fuck are you doing at a bodybuilding board, then...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

And Hulkster the pic you're attempting to use a proof as Dorian's inferior conditioning is from the 1995 Mr Olympia and he was on target for that show , now either you couldn't find a better pic of picked that one because it fits your lose criteria , here are two that show his insane conditioning coupled with 255lbs of mass

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh and from the front too !! 

[Hulkster]

And Hulkster the pic you're attempting to use a proof as Dorian's inferior conditioning is from the 1995 Mr Olympia and he was on target for that show , now either you couldn't find a better pic of picked that one because it fits your lose criteria , here are two that show his insane conditioning coupled with 255lbs of mass

no, he has NO detail in the hamstrings and little in the glutes

and in the ab shot, you cannot see his bloated, cutless waterballoon quads.

I have already stated Dorian's lower back is awesome.

its the rest of hm that lacks detail compared to Ronnie.

[Hulkster]

Oh and from the front too !! 

dorian was nothing special from the front.

Ronnie was

[Hulkster]

  Yes, ND, no one has ever looked that dry and striated. It goes to show Yates' superiority, when it comes to striations, dryness and overall hardness when the likes of Benaziza, Peter McGough, Jim Schmaltz, Samir Bannout, Tom Platz and Julian Schmidt acknowledge Dorian as the greatest ever. Oh, and also Ronnie Coleman(at least in lats and conditioning, which Coleman has publicly admitted to Dorian being the best ever)!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

show me some striations and cuts on Yates somewhere other than his lower back and abs.

This is where Ronnie owns him: better cuts in the delts, chest, arms, quads, glutes, hams.

[Hulkster]

Boy you're stuck on stupid , now Dorian's conditioning is a myth? its 2006 and people are still talking about it lol and now you've come to the conclusion itts a myth ? lol Peter McGough said about Yates conditioning " He has skin like tissue paper "  and how would competing with guys who were " way smaller than him " be an advantage ? and who was smaller?

1991 Mr Olympia - Dorian Yates 242lbs - Lee Haney 250lbs
1992 Mr Olympia - Dorian Yates 242lbs - Kevin Levrone 240lbs
1993 Mr Olympia - Dorian Yates 257lbs - Lou Ferigno 317lbs
1993 Mr Olympia - Dorian Yates 257lbs - Paul Dillet 270lbs
1994 Mr Olympia - Dorian Yates 262lbs - Achim Albrecht 260lbs

The list goes on and on Yates beat Nasser who was 280lbs , Ian Harrison who was 270lbs , Paul DeMayo who was 250lbs ,Jean Pierre Fux who was 275lbs , Ronnie Coleman who was 250lbs , Dorian beat a LOT of bigger guys , so there goes that theory , man this thread has turned out to be your worse nightmare lol and ironically I was trying to extend an olive branch lol

Hulkster please pay attention to this statement very carefully , The general consenus with Dorian is , you have to see him in person , pictures or video DO NOT do him justice , you're basing your claims on a few internet pictures , Dorian dominated the 1990s for a reason , 17 contests 15 Pro wins , lost just twice and never finished lower than 2nd in a contest , do you think thats a fluke? you think Dorian managed to pull the wool over the judges eyes 15 times? with 6 Olympia wins in a row? just because you don't like his physique and think Ronnie is better , doesn't mean Dorian wasn't that good , look at his record he was just that good .

p.s. I'm still laughing at Dorian's conditioning being a " myth " lol

I should rephrase myself:

Dorian's condition was not a myth - he came in hard as nails.

What I am saying is this:

his dryness was NOT an advantage against Ronnie because he had few cuts and striations to show off compared to Ronnie (see delts, biceps, triceps, upper back, pecs, hams, glutes and quads- ALL less detailed than Ronnie).

So, his dryness wouldn't help much.

[Hulkster]

  Do you know what's the difference betwenn a 280+lbs Aaron Baker, Jean-Pierre Fux and Nasser, on the one hand and a 280+ Coleman on the other? That the former three look BETTER than Ronnie! Why? Because they still look like bodybuilders at that weight and nt some off-season powerlifter or some parasite-infected alien-queen pregnant bitch at that weight. These men, having larger frames than Ronnie's, can actually still have proportions and shape at that weight; something Ronnie loses whn his bodyweight surpasss even 260 lbs.

  HA HA HA! You shouldn't even be mentioning the 280+ Ronnie:he is gross and deformed. At 285 lbs, Fux had beautiful lines, with long muscle bellies and SUPERB proportions. Sure, Ronnie has more muscle than fux at that weight, just because his frame is smaller!

  You can't weight 280+ lbs at a height of 5'11 with a medium-sized frame: your muscles start to pile onto on another and overblow your frame.

  The botom line that you don't want to admit, Sukster, is that Ronnie's greater size in 2003 and 2004 is meaningless, because he loses his strenghs(his V-taper and muscular details) when he comes over 260 lbs. And also, that Dorian defeated, over and over again, several guys who actually looked BETTER than Ronnie at the 280+ lbs range. At the bodyweight which is ideal for them both, the 250 lbs range, Dorian rapes Ronnie onstage. As he, in fact, did several times. Game over. You lose.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

SUCKMYMUSCLE

someone fill me in:

When was Aaron Baker 280+ pounds?

[NarcissisticDeity]

dorian was nothing special from the front.

Ronnie was

Man you just keep digging yourself deeper & deeper , lol nothing special from the front? Dorian's ab-thigh looks better than Coleman's and so does his front latspread and , Dorian looks better from the side as well , side chest , and sidetri , now you are grasping at straws my friend .

[suckmymuscle]

someone fill me in:

When was Aaron Baker 280+ pounds?

  There you go: you're unable to reply to the points raised on my post, so you try to discredit it. Very typical! If I recall, Baker was 280 lbs for the 96 O. But I could be wrong. In any case, the point remains that Fux, Dillet and Nasser were 280+ lbs. And that they looked better and more proportional at that weight range than Ronnie, and...Dorian defeated each and every single one of them, several times over. You lose.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

Yates front lat spread is only good if you focus on the lats, and ignore his cutless quads, poor arms, and low detail chest.


great lats, not much else

better overall

[Hulkster]

  There you go: you're unable to reply to the points raised on my post, so you try to discredit it. Very typical ! If I recall, Baker was 280 lbs for the 96 O. But I could be wrong. In any case, the point remains that Fux, Dillet and Nasser were 280+ lbs. And that they looked better and more proportional at that weight range than Ronnie, and...Dorian defeated each and every single one of them, several times over . You lose.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I wasn't trying discredit your post. You do that all by yourself

[suckmymuscle]

I wasn't trying discredit your post. You do that all by yourself

  Give it up, Sukster: the more you resist, the more you'll prolong your agony. You've gotten to the point where you can't even reply to our points anymore. You own yourself...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[LuciusFox]

  His amount of details is fine, what you would expect from a bodybuilder who's still several weeks off from the show. Ansl look a that symmetrical massivness and granite density!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

  He has as much detail as a block of granite

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yates front lat spread is only good if you focus on the lats, and ignore his cutless quads, poor arms, and low detail chest.


better overall

Hulkster you seem to not have taken your meds today lol and again you're posting a picture of Ronnie that was done in a professional studio with perfect lighting and they took as many shots as they needed to come out perfect , to a contest photo , not 100% fair is it?  anyway Dorian owns the front latspread and no one has equaled since , and again your just outright wrong when you say he has no cuts in his qauds or he has poor arms lol poor arms wtf are you thinking , his forearms & triceps are great and his biceps in 1993 were more than good , and low detail chest ? WTF is that? his chest striated and thick , Dorian's latspread was awesome because of his lat width and shape , and his muscle balance & proportion , every muscle compliments other to create and overall balanced shot like most of Dorian's poses , dude you aren't even in the ballpark on this one , and BTW that pic of Dorian looks from 1992 Olympia either way its still a sick shot for him .

[dearth]

no, totally wrong.

this board does not 'happen" to have more ronnie supporters.

The entire world has more Ronnie supporters because most everyone can see that he is in a different class than Dorian was.

don't try and make excuses for the support of your unpopular view just because of chance.

It is not because of chance.
It is because of reality.

so now you are claiming that your "convincing arguments" are the reason for the majority being ronnie supporters?
no one had an opinion prior to ND and you having your countless rants?
I like it how you speak for the "entire world" on this topic.
you must be a tremendous mind reader... now only if you could apply some logic to your arguments

[LuciusFox]

Hulkster you seem to not have taken your meds today lol and again you're posting a picture of Ronnie that was done in a professional studio with perfect lighting and they took as many shots as they needed to come out perfect , to a contest photo , not 100% fair is it?  anyway Dorian owns the front latspread and no one has equaled since , and again your just outright wrong when you say he has no cuts in his qauds or he has poor arms lol poor arms wtf are you thinking , his forearms & triceps are great and his biceps in 1993 were more than good , and low detail chest ? WTF is that? his chest striated and thick , Dorian's latspread was awesome because of his lat width and shape , and his muscle balance & proportion , every muscle compliments other to create and overall balanced shot like most of Dorian's poses , dude you aren't even in the ballpark on this one , and BTW that pic of Dorian looks from 1992 Olympia either way its still a sick shot for him .

  Ugly body