So Dorian is open to the possiblity that the judges would choose Ronnie over him soley based on size , however Dorian himself said he has better balance and conditioning which I've maintained for a while now
Thats why judges are brought in. The athletes' opinions are not objective and need to be discarded. Look at the Challenge Round! Gustavo beat Ronnie in the eyes of the previous Mr. Olympias, who are really out of sync with the standards and expectations of modern bodybuilding. The fact that Dorian thinks he had better balance/conditioning than Ronnie means absolutely nothing. Hell, Jay Cutler sincerely believes he should have won in 2001 AND 2003-2006!
Most athletes bitch that their placement should have been 2-3 spots higher.
You and suckmymuscle have yet to address my symmetry discussions.
They encompass every requisite pertaining to symmetry.
The entire purpose of conditioning, dryness, etc. is to showcase muscular/vascular detail.
Conditioning/dryness are irrelevant if the muscle is devoid of striations and vascularity.
so Ronnie-03 would win the muscularity round by viture of superior size , even though his conditioning wasn't as good as Dorians , Dorian would win the symmetry round Dorian again said it himself that he has the better balance which I've also maintained
Dorian can't even stand next to Ronnie in the symmetry department!
I'm sorry, the personal testimony of one of the athletes in this debate is NOT valid evidence.
Hell,
I could claim to be better than Dorian and you KNOW it would mean jackshit!
Address my previous symmetry arguments specifically please. Make a case as to why Dorian's left-right symmetry exceeds Ronnie, and how Dorian is a superior athlete from top to bottom in terms of balance and proportion? You KNOW Dorian is riddled with left-right asymmetry, particularly his lat width (left is considerably wider), quadriceps, biceps, chest, and traps.
From top-bottom, aside from Ron's quad/calves differential, you have nothing.
Ronnie's symmetry is perfect. You and suckmymuscle make the mistake of assuming symmetry is aesthetics, or that symmetry and size are irreconciliable, when in fact the two are entirely unrelated. Just because Ronnie isn't " pretty " doesn't mean he isn't symmetrical. His muscles can be absolutely massive, yet as long as they in perfect proportion with the adjacent entities, all is well.
and finallu the posing round neither would be mistaken for Labrada but Dorian is the better poser
You do realize that the actual posing is an exceedingly small element of the "posing" round, don't you? Jay Cutler is a perennial 2nd place yet his posing routines are below-average in terms of graceful transitions and entertainment value. Markus Ruhl made the 2003 posedown simply ambling about to loud bass music. If posing really meant anything in the grand scheme of things, Melvin Anthony, King Kamali and Darrem Charles would fare much better at the Mr. Olympia. As is, I don't think either have even cracked the Top 7.
Don't make a mistaken assumption and believe that Dorian would win the posing round since he's a better poser. The posing round is simply another outlet to evaluate the same old elements from the previous rounds in a different "light" (namely: muscularity, symmetry, conditioning, muscle maturity). Besides, Ronnie's routines are usually entertaining and less-than-stellar posing can just as easily attest to his physique being far superior to the remainder of the competition.
he can hit all the mandatory poses correctly and is very adept at hidding his weak points , so in my opinion bases on the IFBB judging criteria Dorian would win more rounds and it may be a close victory but I do feel he would win , maybe he wouldn't its all just spectulation in the end.
You can't hide a missing bicep. Sorry.
You can't hide asymmetrical quads devoid of striations, vascularity, balance, and separation.
His hamstrings / gluteal deficiencies from behind would be as clear as day standing next to Ron.
His chest is small, flat, and genetically flawed (so in other words looks like crap).
Smaller deltoids without Ronnie's delt cap separation.
Wide waist, poor taper w/ overdeveloped obliques.
How would he hide this laundry list of flaws ND?
Fact is, Ronnie murders Dorian across the board from the front.
From behind, even with comparable backs, Ron's hamstrings, glutes, arms and deltoids would seal the victory. That is assuming their backs are even, which they are not. Dorian's is better conditioned, but flat and 2D in relation to Ron, especially in the back double bicep.
Ronnie has thicker traps, thicker/wider lats with a better taper. Dorian couldn't touch this.
You lose ND. Really. You have nothing left here...
