Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[gcb]

Come on guys only five more pages to go you can make it.

[delta9mda]

yes 95 was a very good year and i was there to witness it. awesome.

[dearth]

First off, you ignorant ass, you should look up the difference between waist and abdomen. His waist is very thin in that picture, despite the abdominal distension. His waist would NEVER tape 40 inches.

first of all dumbass, a bodybuilder is supposed to have something called "V taper". In that picture all I see is a big blob of shit for a waist/abs/serratus/torso. Pathetic. Coleman should be embarrased to have idiotic nuthuggers like you'll post that picture and call it "impressive".

Ronnie spilled over a bit that evening.

Really? a bit? Are you saying his enormous GH belly suddenly grew from prejudging to night show? His internal organs must have responded well to all Chads "special tricks"

That doesn't mean Dorian is better, since Dorian has more weakness of a greater severity.
Besides, as far as I know, Hulkster posted those pictures as a reference to his quadriceps.

So now you can bodybuilding shows are judged a bodypart at a time? I guess thats why Coleman can let his belly hang out 8 olympias in a row and still win, but wait its a joke of "sport" thanks to the show being fixed.

[haider]

He doesn't look better.

Dorian's holding more mass there. Just look at it! 

Dorian's back is a mountain range.

Ronnie's is a hilltop.

what the fuck are u looking at?

[NeoSeminole]

Okay Oliver, you want to call people names?



I thought it was pretty obvious, you ass clown, but apparently I was wrong. So I edited the pic just for you. Notice the weight bearing leg on Ronnie and Dorian? They both have almost the same angle of abduction. Ronnie's leg appears to be further out b/c he has greater quad sweep than Dorian. You can also see the top of his ankle but not on Dorian. Ronnie is 5' 11" while Dorian is 5' 10". Even if Ronnie is bending his knee in the pic, it isn't considerable enough to make him lose 4 inches in height.

[nicorulez]

NeoSeminole, excellent post.  Ronnie blows Dorian out of the water.  Anyone who thinks differently is either blind or exceedingly biased.  Ronnie >>> Dorian. Simple if you look at it objectively.  This debate is idiotic as anyone with any sense of aesthetic and appreciation for quality muscle can see this fact.  BTW, Ronnie's legs absolutely crush Yate's legs from behind.  No contest.

[FREAKgeek]

all of her clothes off has been

OWNED

[FREAKgeek]

While Ronnie certainly edges out Dorian in the biceps he still is missing calves and Dorian has the edge on forearms ( another minor muscle as you guys put it ) and OVERALL BALANCE !!

I disagree about the forearms. Since Dorian has no peak and separation like Ronnie does in the upper arms, the forearms are only deceptively bigger.

[Hulkster]

NeoSeminole, excellent post.  Ronnie blows Dorian out of the water.  Anyone who thinks differently is either blind or exceedingly biased.  Ronnie >>> Dorian. Simple if you look at it objectively.  This debate is idiotic as anyone with any sense of aesthetic and appreciation for quality muscle can see this fact.  BTW, Ronnie's legs absolutely crush Yate's legs from behind.  No contest.

agreed. you can argue that dorian is better all you want, but what that means is that you are not properly applying the criteria that the judges using in a bodybuilding conest.

You can have your own criteria (eg. calves and forearms are more important than arms, quads and chest) or striations don't matter or vascularity doesn't matter etc. but you are not judging bodybuilding in the traditional sense anymore.

You are making your own value judgments based on atypical criteria that the judges don't use.

anyone who tries to argue that this


is better than this:

is ignoring criteria such as shape, vascularity and detail and this isn't even getting into more major issues like taper or finer details like striated triceps, super ripped glutes/hams and "capped" deltoids...

and there is the video proof as well..

[pumpster]

These are putrid comparison shots-the scales are wrong, Yates is closer to the camera and benefits from far better lighting.

A pathetic, desperate attempt to distort reality.

[pumpster]

Here is a more accurate comparison. As is usually the case, Yates has the advantage in density, Coleman's considerably wider with a smaller waist = better taper.

In this shot, Coleman also benefits from huge size advantages in triceps and traps from the back.

That Coleman is just plain better in virtually all aspects is clearly seen here again:

[Hulkster]

and better detail...

[NeoSeminole]

Here are more great shots of Ronnie's rear lat spread

[Hulkster]

its worth noting that this amazing Ronnie lat spread was taken just around the time of the 1999 Olympia, a form I feel would defeat Dorian.

MetRx used to run an ad with two lats spreads:

this one:

with the caption Mr. Olympia 1998


and the one above with the caption Mr. Olympia 1999. I think I still have an old mag with the ad in it somewhere..

It was a cool two page ad..

It illustrates some of the refinements that Ronnie made between 1998 and 1999: better lower back detail, and, better hams, glutes and when he turns around, much more cut quads..

[Hulkster]

this shot would have been great if Ronnie was fully hitting the pose. it looks like he is just getting ready to spread his lats..

[delta9mda]

hulkster, which one of rons nuts hangs lower

[NeoSeminole]

You guys keep posting the pic I edited to show why it's a biased comparison in favor of Dorian. Here is the original.

 

[Oliver Klaushof]

Okay Oliver, you want to call people names?



I thought it was pretty obvious, you ass clown, but apparently I was wrong. So I edited the pic just for you. Notice the weight bearing leg on Ronnie and Dorian? They both have almost the same angle of abduction. Ronnie's leg appears to be further out b/c he has greater quad sweep than Dorian. You can also see the top of his ankle but not on Dorian. Ronnie is 5' 11" while Dorian is 5' 10". Even if Ronnie is bending his knee in the pic, it isn't considerable enough to make him lose 4 inches in height.

You must be dense.

Not only is Ronnie's head tilted farther forward....

His legs are spread apart farther.

That's not "quad sweep" fool.

"Quad sweep" doesn't cause your legs to be spread 2' apart.

[NeoSeminole]

Oliver, I want you to test a simple experiment on yourself. Balace yourself on one leg and do whatever you want with the other. Hell, you can even touch your head with the other leg. Did your height change? Your height should only be affected by the weight bearing leg. It doesn't matter how far apart Ronnie's legs are in the pic if his weight bearing leg and Dorian's have the same angle of abduction. Furthermore, you can see the top of Ronnie's ankle but not Dorian's. Ronnie appears 2-3 inches shorter than Dorian in the pic even though he is an inch taller than Dorian in person. As for your comment about Ronnie's lack of prominent quad sweep in the pic, what do you call that buldge of muscle on the sides of Ronnie's legs? The same one that Dorian seems to be missing?

[NarcissisticDeity]

yates lat striations are thicker and deeper but ron looks to have more fine striations. yates wins.

Someone who gets it !!

[sculpture]

Someone who gets it !!

Nah, just someone who participates in your delusion.

[NarcissisticDeity]

wrong again:


ronnie had the complete back. Dorian had great lats, good lower back, and a ho-hum upper back, as seen in his repeatedly lessthanmindblowing back double bi.


PS notice how the B&W Ronnie pic makes his muscles look "grainy"?

Yet more proof that dorian's "grainyness" was nothing more than an artifact of black and white photography - after all, it dissappears in colour...

just to recapitulate:

grainy look to the muscles:

not grainy look:
hmm...colour photography makes it go away..

ironic how dorian was actually harder  a few weeks out than at the actual 93 O.

You're so unoriginal you let other people think for you and its funny , Fenix says his graininess was only evident in the B&Ws and then Hulkster says it , Fenix says Ronnie has better delt-caps now Hulkster is using it and Fenix says Ronnie has better balance & now Hulkster is using it lol ho pathetic can you get? you're all over the place with " your " opinions .

How does his graininess look in this pic? ( note you're now forced to say its not there because you're bound to " your " statement ) lol and ho-hum back upper back detail lol you've typed your own bullshit for so long now I'm affraid even your believe it .

Some color pictures his graininess is evident and others its not same thing with B&W pictures .

[sculpture]

This shot is absurd. So far ahead of the pack that its unfair. Dorian, great as his back latspread was can only concede defeat in this pose. Look at the incredible fullness and shape to ronnie's arms.

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[NarcissisticDeity]

Nah, just someone who participates in your delusion.

Utterly pathetic attempt on ND's behalf to make steve out to be some sort of hypocrite.

When has your chubby, petey mcGrouch ever looked in shape?

You idolator.

Steve looks decent in this shot.

Well obviously you don't get much 

[sculpture]

You're so unoriginal you let other people think for you and its funny , Fenix says his graininess was only evident in the B&Ws and then Hulkster says it , Fenix says Ronnie has better delt-caps now Hulkster is using it and Fenix says Ronnie has better balance & now Hulkster is using it lol ho pathetic can you get? you're all over the place with " your " opinions .

How does his graininess look in this pic? ( note you're now forced to say its not there because you're bound to " your " statement ) lol and ho-hum back upper back detail lol you've typed your own bullshit for so long now I'm affraid even your believe it .

Some color pictures his graininess is evident and others its not same thing with B&W pictures .

What graininess are you talking about, because its certainly not evident in those pics you post.

Regarding upper back detail, the assertion that in dorians case it is mediocre is correct. Juxtaposing dorian to flex or ronnie would make this as clear as day.

As you often do, posting dorian alone as your defence, is weak and frankly invalid.

The visual evidence in support of ronnie is staggering - at least when you accept that video doesnt favour either athlete and don't suggest that somehow the medium of video makes ronnie look good and dorian poor.