Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

  Added weight in his quads! Wasn't in vogue in Arnie's day. (big quads)

umm... turn them around and you will quickly see that you are missing a lot of areas where there are lots of pounds of muscle.. There was a whole lot more than just added weight in the quads.

see, there is this thing called the BACK...

[Oliver Klaushof]

hahaha You fools.

The Mr. Olympia never loses! He retires!

The Sandow would have been Dorian's as long as he wanted.

Coleman was never a threat.

He would have been playing catch up, hoping Doz retires.

Btw, how old was Coleman when he was losing to Yates all those years?

I'm guessing not to far apart.

hahaha.

Yates never had a chance to reach his peak.

The fact that Dorian in the 90s could beat Ronnie Coleman 2005 depending on who you talk to is a testament to how great he was.

Sean Ray, Flex Wheeler, et al ...........

Looked good alone.

But put them against Doz and they are dwarfed by Dorian's godly combination of mass, muscle maturity, and extreme definition/dryness.

You forced yourself to look away from Dorian because he was so goddamn huge he sucked in light and gravity like a black hole. hahahaha.

Midget Sean Ray and Midget Flex Wheeler were dwarfed!

SIMPLE!

Ronnie Coleman would not be champion if Yates wasn't injured.

He's very lucky.

Only thing Coleman had on Yates(after he retired) is enormous quads and extreme bicep peaks on short(odd) muscle insertions. Yates would have brought up his quads and continued to put on mass without Ronnie's bloat.

[Oliver Klaushof]

umm... turn them around and you will quickly see that you are missing a lot of areas where there are lots of pounds of muscle.. There was a whole lot more than just added weight in the quads.

see, there is this thing called the BACK...

Yes, that's true. I know. But even so, ignoring quads, Arnold from the 70s holds his own against Ronnie in this pose.

The trend toward extreme back development started with Dorian.

[pumpster]

Olly the blockhead proving that he's a recruit/clone from Iron Age - he's even lazily used the same poor comparison pics posted on Iron Age, evidentally intended to put his heroes from the 70s in a better light.

All those pics prove is that he has no eyesite and was too lazy to get some real comparative shots.

The Mr. Olympia never loses! He retires!

Olly officially confirming he follows the company/Flex/Iron Age line like a sheep.

[NarcissisticDeity]

not nearly as soft as the pic you posted..

ND, Ronnie was not flexing fully in that shot you posted. There are a whole lot of shots from the 2003 Mr. O. where Ronnie is not fully flexing yet doing various poses and it has created this illusion that he was softer than he actually was.


I saw all the pics on the net and in the magazines from 2003 and a lot of them were pics like this - not fully completing the pose:



It wasn't until I saw the video that I realized how ripped Ronnie actually was..

Pics don't mean much if they show the muscles halfway contracted..

Ronnie wasn't as sharp as he was in 98 I'm sorry and you use that excuse way to offten its become a crutch he's not fully posed seriously !! I watched the video as well and he's not as hard as he was when he was 250lbs.

[pumpster]

Henceforth referred to as the Yates "pot shot"..and you geniuses are actually suggesting that he should've stuck around longer? 

[pumpster]

And these comparisons prove what exactly, other than confirming Yates is tier-B..?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Henceforth referred to as the Yates "pot shot"..and you geniuses are actually suggesting that he should've stuck around longer? 

I thought he should have lost , you should really stop leaping to conclusions .

[pumpster]

I thought he should have lost , you should really stop leaping to conclusions .

If you're going to start being honest, begin by acknowledging that he probably deserved two Olympias. Guys who never won should've gotten at least one-Levrone, Wheeler, etc.

[NarcissisticDeity]

If you're going to start being honest, begin by acknowledging that he probably deserved two Olympias. Guys who never won should've gotten at least one-Levrone, Wheeler, etc.

Start? I've maintained that all along and Dorian deserved all of his wins with the exception of 97 , I would have prefered Flex to win in 93 but he didn't , so like me you would have prefered someone else to win but they didn't .

[pumpster]

I've maintained that all along and Dorian deserved all of his wins with the exception of 97 , I would have prefered Flex to win in 93 but he didn't

Once the can of worms is opened with an acknowledgement that the fix was in on even one Olympia, there's no reason to think it didn't apply elsewhere.

When I said Yates is the Columbu of the 90s I wasn't kidding-has about the same silhouette (all torso) and was equally undeserving in some years.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Once the can of worms is opened with an acknowledgement that the fix was in on even one Olympia, there's no reason to think it didn't apply elsewhere.

When I said Yates is the Columbu of the 90s I wasn't kidding-has about the same silhouette (all torso) and was equally undeserving in some years.

Was the fix on in 2000/2001/2002? 

[pumpster]

ND again trying to avoid answering for the 47th time. hahahahahhahhahah

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND again trying to avoid answering for the 47th time. hahahahahhahhahah

What question? do I think the Weiders fixed the Mr Olympia? Not at all.

[Oliver Klaushof]

It's unfair to penalise Yates for a bicep tear - something that can happen to anyone.

Does that make him an inferior bodybuilder suddenly?

Because he was hit with some bad luck?

Of course not.

[pumpster]

It's unfair to penalise Yates for a bicep tear - something that can happen to anyone.

Does that make him an inferior bodybuilder suddenly?

Because he was hit with some bad luck?

Of course not.

Absolutely! The problem was the *rest* of him. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Absolutely! The problem was the *rest* of him. 

The rest of him easily disposed of the best of the 90s .

[NeoSeminole]

[Praetor Fenix]

It's unfair to penalise Yates for a bicep tear - something that can happen to anyone.

Does that make him an inferior bodybuilder suddenly?

Because he was hit with some bad luck?

Of course not.

What the hell?  

A biceps brachii tear is most certainly a physique deficit that the judges WILL penalize.
The judges could care less as to what factor(s) are actually responsible for it.
It ruins his left-right symmetry, it is unaesthetic, his biceps lack muscle to begin with.

Its the equivalent of camp-Coleman attempting to argue that his calves would not be penalized since African-Americans, on average, have longer calcaneal tendons.

None of the judges give a shit that he tore it due to his stupid HIT regimen. They are physique analysts on the day of the contest, not historians or private investigators.

Worst argument to date...

[Oliver Klaushof]

What the hell?  

A biceps brachii tear is most certainly a physique deficit that the judges WILL penalize.
The judges could care less as to what factor(s) are actually responsible for it.
It ruins his left-right symmetry, it is unaesthetic, his biceps lack muscle to begin with.

Its the equivalent of camp-Coleman attempting to argue that his calves would not be penalized since African-Americans, on average, have longer calcaneal tendons.

None of the judges give a shit that he tore it due to his stupid HIT regimen. They are physique analysts on the day of the contest, not historians or private investigators.

Worst argument to date...

The judges on that day would disagree with you 

Cutler was the better bodybuilder at the 2001 Olympia, but he's not the better bodybuilder PERIOD. That is why the Olympia is a dynasty.

[Praetor Fenix]

The judges on that day would disagree with you 

No they wouldn't. Dorian's torn bicep WAS a liability.
It wasn't acceptable and the judges did NOT ignore it.

Dorian had the incumbent advantage that every reigning Mr. Olympia enjoys, so the outcome MAY have been a different story if he wasn't a repeat victor. That said, Dorian also managed to compensate for this deficit in other regions to offset the disadvantage that the torn bicep posed.

However, against Ronnie Coleman this would be an impossible task since Dorian would have exceedingly few compensatory advantages over Coleman to begin with.

Dorian would NOT have his characteristic size advantage, since Coleman is a far more muscular athlete with better symmetry, a smaller waist w/ superior taper, AND far better muscle maturity w/ exceptional detail, more detail than Dorian could dream of exhibiting despite his "dryness".

Cutler was the better bodybuilder at the 2001 Olympia, but he's not the better bodybuilder PERIOD. And that is why the Olympia is a dynasty.

Agree 100%.

[Oliver Klaushof]

PF, even if Coleman in 2003 could beat Dorian at his peak (I'm pretending for a moment) we have no way of knowing if Dorian wouldn't have continued to put on size. Dorian came in bigger every year, so it's not unreasonable to think this.

No they wouldn't. Dorian's torn bicep WAS a liability.
It wasn't acceptable and the judges did NOT ignore it.

That doesn't matter because Dorian without injuries still had relatively poor biceps. It didn't hinder him, because he never had great biceps in to begin with. On a side note, they were still better than sean's because Sean was just too small despite his "aesthetic" build.

Dorian had the incumbent advantage that every reigning Mr. Olympia enjoys

This is in line with what I said. Dorian wasn't penalised, because he was still the best despite the bad luck that had befallen him.

[Praetor Fenix]

Yes, that's true. I know. But even so, ignoring quads, Arnold from the 70s holds his own against Ronnie in this pose.

No?

Arnold was not nearly as detailed or conditioned as Ronnie Coleman.
Arnold did not have a comparable amount of muscle on any region of his body.

Seriously, your analysis is really bad. I'm sure many people prefer Arnold's look, and perhaps some officials would even consider him more aesthetic, HOWEVER, that doesn't change the fact that Ronnie surpasses Arnold on each and every facet of the IFBB's criteria.

As Craig Titus said, peak Arnold would not even earn a legit pro-card in today's scene.

His showstoppers (chest, biceps) WERE remarkable, but Coleman's are still better in terms of size, symmetry, detail, and conditioning. Arnold's weaknesses (quadriceps, upper back, triceps) just so happen to be some of Ronnie's greatest strengths. Ronnie Coleman's superiority should not be questioned in this case.

The trend toward extreme back development started with Dorian.

No, it was Lee Haney actually.
Franco Columbu set the initial precedent.

[Oliver Klaushof]

No?

Arnold was not nearly as detailed or conditioned as Ronnie Coleman.
Arnold did not have a comparable amount of muscle on any region of his body.

Seriously, your analysis is really bad. I'm sure many people prefer Arnold's look, and perhaps some officials would even consider him more aesthetic, HOWEVER, that doesn't change the fact that Ronnie surpasses Arnold on each and every facet of the IFBB's criteria.

As Craig Titus said, peak Arnold would not even earn a legit pro-card in today's scene.

His showstoppers (chest, biceps) WERE remarkable, but Coleman's are still better in terms of size, symmetry, detail, and conditioning. Arnold's weaknesses (quadriceps, upper back, triceps) just so happen to be some of Ronnie's greatest strengths. Ronnie Coleman's superiority should not be questioned in this case.

No, it was Lee Haney actually.
Franco Columbu set the initial precedent.

I don't know about better, but Arnold's chest was CERTAINLY comparable
as were his biceps. His biceps were bigger, his chest was likely bigger.....

because Arnold had a larger frame at 6'+.

You've spun off in another direction though.............

I was specifically speaking of the FDB pose.

Ignoring quads, Arnold is comparable.

Of course Ronnie wins overall.

No disagreement there.....



As for Haney....

Haney had a great back, but Dorian set a whole new standard.

...a standard that still holds up today.

Haney's back does not.

ps-Craigger's opinions don't hold much weight. This is a drug addict idiot that completely blundered a murder. lol.

[delta9mda]

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