Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pumpster]

Even Coleman know that he should have lost the 2001 olympia.
He knew that when he signalled himself being possibly relagated to 2nd place, with his 2 fingers.
Unfortunately huckster and nuthuggers inc. thought that was how many fingers would be going up their asses after the contest.

The only sure thing is that Yates was (1) always pompous, never thought he deserved to lose even when he obviously did, and (2) Yates wasn't far enough out in front, not good enough to come in less than his best the way Coleman has, and still win.

[delta9mda]

The only sure thing is that Yates was (1) always pompous, never thought he deserved to lose even when he obviously did, and (2) Yates wasn't far enough out in front, not good enough to come in less than his best the way Coleman has, and still win.

pumpy, come on now man. i dint think it is pompous, it is confidence and as shawn said , he (shawn) doesn't train for second place. in blood and guts, yates was talking "mr yates, number one, everytime". you gotta believe in your self. yates was not at his best in 94 or 97, but more than good enough to win. not that far in front? straight 1's on every score card, not that far in front?

[Hulkster]

lol  at how dumb ND is. he posts this pic to prove that Shawn didn't deserve to beat Dorian, and the pic shows:

1. Shawn looking about as perfect as you can get.

and

2. unbalanced dorian flexing his arm that is so out of proportion with the rest of his physique that his calves are larger

and yet ND says that the videos and pics show that Dorian wiped the floor with shawn

ND really has no clue.

[Hulkster]

in 1994 the score cards showed that the judges orgasmed over size, not quality.

thus, it did not look close on paper.

But if you read the mag reviews from the time period, watch the videos (youtube) and look at the pics, it is clear that the judges were wrong in their assertion that size eclipses all quality.

Thus, any knowledgable fan can see that dorian was outclassed that night by Shawn.

but he was not outsized, and thats all the judges cared about.

Dorian could have shown up with two torn arms, no abs, no back etc. but as long as he was BIGGER they would have awarded him the win without question.

Most people have the common sense to use their OWN EYES and can clearly see that Dorian did not deserve the win.

Others, like ND, blindly follow the judges inccorrect assertion that water-retaining mass is better than quality muscle.

How anyone can look at pics and videos of the 1994 show  and then agree with the fact that shawn was obliterated is beyond normal comprehension.

But then again, ND has never really had a clue.

[pumpster]

lol  at how dumb ND is. he posts this pic to prove that Shawn didn't deserve to beat Dorian, and the pic shows:

Nothin new-basically all of those group shots show Yates in last place, owned by either Dillet, Ray, Lavrone, etc.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol  at how dumb ND is. he posts this pic to prove that Shawn didn't deserve to beat Dorian, and the pic shows:

1. Shawn looking about as perfect as you can get.

and

2. unbalanced dorian flexing his arm that is so out of proportion with the rest of his physique that his calves are larger

and yet ND says that the videos and pics show that Dorian wiped the floor with shawn

ND really has no clue.

No you don't have a clue and here let me give you one. what part of " it was no contest " didn't you comprehend ? this isn't 1980 or 2001 it wasn't close on paper Shawn didn't win the muscularity round & symmetry round and then get shafted in the posing round like Jay did with Ronnie. In fact Shawn didn't make any headway in defeating Dorian in fact Shawn was very lucky to beat Kevin Levrone. in fact Shawn was losing to Kevin going into the nightshow , and he only edged out Kevin on a ' better ' posing routine. he did NOT beat Kevin by virtue of his phsyique. so unless you can dispute these facts keep clinging to " your " theories .

[pumpster]

I don't care how bad Dillet's back was, he kills Yates in these shots from the front-the disparity is at least as wide as those back shots, and let's face it front shots are more important when it comes down to it. Just another reminder of the suspect judging at these contests.

And of course to this day Yates pompously claims he was always better than everyone else. hahahahahahahahah I think ND & SUCKMYASSHOLE relate to Yates' modesty.

[Hulkster]

you don't seem to comprehend what everyone has been saying about this contest for years now:

the judges were wrong in awarding all the rounds to Dorian.

how do you know they were wrong?: OPEN YOUR EYES!!

Don't be a blind follower: you have eyes, use them.

Dorian was outclassed by far that night.

It shows in every pic, every video.

You go on and on about how it wasn't close yet you cannot post ONE SINGLE PIC OR VIDEO to show this.

there are TONS of pics showing Shawn killing Dorian at the show. And now there are videos on youtube too.

If the judges were correct in awarding Dorian the dominant win, lets see some proof

news flash:


pics like this do nothing to show that the judges were correct in how they scored the contest. They do just the opposite.

the general opinion was that Dorian ouclassed shawn in the upper back and calves. But thats it.

According to one review I read "there was little else about dorian that overshadowed Shawn that night'

[pumpster]

Don't be a blind follower: you have eyes, use them.

Dorian was outclassed by far that night.

It shows in every pic, every video.

FYI independant thought & Iron Age/Flex do not mix. Period.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you don't seem to comprehend what everyone has been saying about this contest for years now:

the judges were wrong in awarding all the rounds to Dorian.

how do you know they were wrong?: OPEN YOUR EYES!!

Don't be a blind follower: you have eyes, use them.

Dorian was outclassed by far that night.

It shows in every pic, every video.

You go on and on about how it wasn't close yet you cannot post ONE SINGLE PIC OR VIDEO to show this.

there are TONS of pics showing Shawn killing Dorian at the show. And now there are videos on youtube too.

If the judges were correct in awarding Dorian the dominant win, lets see some proof

news flash:


pics like this do nothing to show that the judges were correct in how they scored the contest. They do just the opposite.

the general opinion was that Dorian ouclassed shawn in the upper back and calves. But thats it.

According to one review I read "there was little else about dorian that overshadowed Shawn that night'

Wait let me get this straight , Dorian won all rounds , Shawn just barely beat Levrone , Shawn declares he got the place he deserved and you're going on and on like its 2001 Olympia lol Dorian was off , especially from 93 but Shawn wasn't going to beat him . ever. Shawn wasn't going to beat Haney or Coleman. these are facts . I could see if it was close on paper , if he won by 3 or 4 points but Shawn was never close to beating Dorian.

[Hulkster]

just because Shawn wasn't close on paper does not mean that he should not have beaten Dorian.

again: use your brain and eyes - dorian was outclassed:



so what if he was bigger.

[NarcissisticDeity]

" Audience members also heartily disapproved of Levrone's third place finish in the Mr Olympia contest.

Said Manion : " My score sheet was identical to the final results. Dorian [ Yates' ] size and rear blew everyone else away. Shawn [ Ray ] was in great shape but couldn't top Dorian this time. The same is true with Kevin ; Paul [ Dillet ] seemed to be holding water. If Kevin and Paul came in top shape, they would have been right up there. "

Added Rockell ( One of the chairs of the I.F.B.B. judging committee

" Dorian had a slight injury but as far I'm concerned , it had no bearing whatsoever. He was just so dense it made no overall difference. Paul's major deficiencies were in his back: notenough muscularity for his large frame. Also, basic stamina throughtout was in question; during the call-outs, he was breathing heavy and bending over.

" Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging, which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn, but it was very close between second and third. it came down to the posedown [ which Shawn won by a single point.] "

LMFAO where is the controversy? and I.F.B.B. judging chair says Dorian's biceps made NO-fucking-Difference , Shawn just bearly beat Kevin by one-fucking-point and the crowd was pissed that Shawn was placed ahead of Kevin , Shawn says he got the placed he deserved . Jim Manion says according his accounting the final placing matched his. you have nothing to work with.
Dorian was off no questions about it , he was most certainly good enough to beat Shawn Ray and the old adage applies you have to knock the champ out in order to beat him and Shawn was lucky to beat Levrone by one point nevermind Dorian.

[nicorulez]

ND...who the hell cares if Dorian outclassed Shawn Ray...BFD.  If Dorian would come into the Mr. Olympia this year, last year are probably any year from after 1998 looking like he did in 1994/1997; he would get owned big time by Ronnie.  The only year that Dorian could have competed well with today's Coleman is if he showed up in his 2003 condiitoning.  End of story.  End of discussion.  You have no say in the matter.  Ronnie from 2003-2005 (not even his best years according to you) would murder Yates.  Get over it.  He beat Shawn Ray....whoopti do.  He never beat Ronnie when Ronnie morphed into the animal that he is now.  Yates was beaten originally by a much smaller Momo.  Thus, by your genius logic he should have never beaten Momo.  He got better and did just that.  Ronnie got better and would have pounded the Brit into the asphault from 1998 and beyond.  Hell, the one armed wonder would have been violated by Cutler s/p 2001.  Your assertions are getting tiresome.  Why don't you find something better to debate.  Dorian 1994 equals pure unmitiagated suckage.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND...who the hell cares if Dorian outclassed Shawn Ray...BFD.  If Dorian would come into the Mr. Olympia this year, last year are probably any year from after 1998 looking like he did in 1994/1997; he would get owned big time by Ronnie.  The only year that Dorian could have competed well with today's Coleman is if he showed up in his 2003 condiitoning.  End of story.  End of discussion.  You have no say in the matter.  Ronnie from 2003-2005 (not even his best years according to you) would murder Yates.  Get over it.  He beat Shawn Ray....whoopti do.  He never beat Ronnie when Ronnie morphed into the animal that he is now.  Yates was beaten originally by a much smaller Momo.  Thus, by your genius logic he should have never beaten Momo.  He got better and did just that.  Ronnie got better and would have pounded the Brit into the asphault from 1998 and beyond.  Hell, the one armed wonder would have been violated by Cutler s/p 2001.  Your assertions are getting tiresome.  Why don't you find something better to debate.  Dorian 1994 equals pure unmitiagated suckage.

EMO 

You get tired of my ' assertions ' yet you don't ever tire of responding to them lol what does his Nationality have to do with anything? I've noticed a trend with you and this  anyway maybe you're right maybe Ronnie 2003/2005 would beat Dorian with ease , maybe he wouldn't . 

[nicorulez]

He's a Brit, I am an American.  I root for my countryman... .  Ronnie, regardless of his halted speech pattern, at least goes to seminars and supplement store openings in the US.  Dorian, although I do not believe that he is arrogant at all, just went back to jolly ole England and busted his ass in his gym.  He was a great bodybuilder; however, he did little to promote the sport in the US.  Ronnie makes a better effort I feel; although I agree with you ND that his shape is not what is going to get bodybuilding mainstream.  Then again, anybody with a modicum of knowledge, realizes that America is one of the most obese countries in the world.  In fact, over 50 percent of the population is considered overweight (BMI > 25) and about thirty percent obese (I think that figure is right).  Regardless, at least the majority of posters on this board work out (at least a Little).  Thus, bodybuilding will always be a niche sport.  However, getting back to Ronnie vs Dorian.  Ronnie is better; that is obvious.  However, I feel it would be a much more interesting discussion if Dorian did not have his injuries in 1994 and could have progressed forward from his 1993 shape.  Now, if that happened, maybe I would be on the other side of the debate.  However, as it stands, Ronnie is greater.  He has more Sandows.  He has gotten progressively better (except for the gut...sorry Hedgehog).  His muscle maturity is unmatched in the sports history.  Nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever come on stage with his extreme degree of muscle mass and shape.  Bitch all you want about 2003, name one other bodybuilder in history who brought that degree of muscularity to the Mr. Olympia stage in shape (contest day...not four weeks before the show).  It has never happened before and has yet to be matched.  The only one to come close is Coleman himself.  Maybe the next gen freaks will prove me wrong.  Until then, this debate really only applies if you consider 1993 Yates to the later versions of Ronnie.  If you consider any other year, your boy loses. 

[Hulkster]

LMFAO where is the controversy? and I.F.B.B. judging chair says Dorian's biceps made NO-fucking-Difference ,

exactly. they said it made no difference.

anyone with a brain can see that they were wrong:




its amazing how you have no opinions that you formulated on your own. You just follow what is printed in magazines and blindly take it as fact.

You are not capable of making your OWN informed decision based on evidence.

You really have no clue.

[Hulkster]

Yates was beaten originally by a much smaller Momo.  Thus, by your genius logic he should have never beaten Momo.  He got better and did just that.  Ronnie got better and would have pounded the Brit into the asphault from 1998 and beyond.

ND will not respond to his own idiocy.

[Hulkster]

He's a Brit, I am an American.  I root for my countryman... .  Ronnie, regardless of his halted speech pattern, at least goes to seminars and supplement store openings in the US.  Dorian, although I do not believe that he is arrogant at all, just went back to jolly ole England and busted his ass in his gym.  He was a great bodybuilder; however, he did little to promote the sport in the US.  Ronnie makes a better effort I feel; although I agree with you ND that his shape is not what is going to get bodybuilding mainstream.  Then again, anybody with a modicum of knowledge, realizes that America is one of the most obese countries in the world.  In fact, over 50 percent of the population is considered overweight (BMI > 25) and about thirty percent obese (I think that figure is right).  Regardless, at least the majority of posters on this board work out (at least a Little).  Thus, bodybuilding will always be a niche sport.  However, getting back to Ronnie vs Dorian.  Ronnie is better; that is obvious.  However, I feel it would be a much more interesting discussion if Dorian did not have his injuries in 1994 and could have progressed forward from his 1993 shape.  Now, if that happened, maybe I would be on the other side of the debate.  However, as it stands, Ronnie is greater.  He has more Sandows.  He has gotten progressively better (except for the gut...sorry Hedgehog).  His muscle maturity is unmatched in the sports history.  Nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever come on stage with his extreme degree of muscle mass and shape.  Bitch all you want about 2003, name one other bodybuilder in history who brought that degree of muscularity to the Mr. Olympia stage in shape (contest day...not four weeks before the show).  It has never happened before and has yet to be matched.  The only one to come close is Coleman himself.  Maybe the next gen freaks will prove me wrong.  Until then, this debate really only applies if you consider 1993 Yates to the later versions of Ronnie.  If you consider any other year, your boy loses. 

Great Post!

[NarcissisticDeity]

exactly. they said it made no difference.

anyone with a brain can see that they were wrong:



its amazing how you have no opinions that you formulated on your own. You just follow what is printed in magazines and blindly take it as fact.

You are not capable of making your OWN informed decision based on evidence.

You really have no clue.

You know what makes me laugh at you is your constant and consistant hypocrisy lets take out personal feelings for a moment , just on paper according to the judges it was not a close contest . now you continue to this day to defend Ronnie's " win " over Jay Cutler at the 2001 Mr Olympia which was one , an extremely close contest on paper with Jay winning both the muscularity & symmetry rounds and someone how losing the posing round and the contes despite Ronnie being a god-awful poser .

You're a hypocrite through and through you'll try to make a case for a much lighter Shawn beating Dorian and laugh when anyone mentions Levrone who had ' no legs and no taper ' you can't see past your own bias and preferences .

1994 Shawn Ray beat Kevin by one-fucking-point he wasn't even close to Dorian reguardless of what you think.

2001 Jay Cutler was extremly close to Ronnie losing by just 4 points , see the difference? you have nothing period.

[pumpster]

Accurate review of Yates from the '94 Grand Prix, prior to injuries when he was supposedly at his "best" . Reflects exactly what i've said, on all counts, in every respect re: frontal deficiencies, physical shortcomings and imbalances, and the slim or non-existent margin of error he carried into contests, unlike Coleman. Forget about perfect scores-Coleman is dominant almost all the time, Yates wasn't.

Dorian's calves and back were so freaky they were absurd. He clearly dominated from the rear. But from the front he was really nothing special. I would go so far as to say he was quite below average for the top six. Other than those classic black and white grainy pictures from post-Olympia 1993 taken by Chris Lund, I have never understood what the hype was about this guy. Even at 5'10, he was blocky, had a wide waist and stomach distention, weak arms, and towards the end of his career was just a wreck of injuries.

He is proof that the reigning Mr. Olympia will always be Mr. Olympia. He was a good poser and had a fantastic back and was very hard for his size. He was full of strengths, and definitely a top five or even top three competitor from 1991-1997 when he was competing at the Olympias, but he was definitely not the dominant Mr. Olympia some people make him out to be in my opinion. I'll say it like this: Being Mr. Olympia multiple times, I would expect more from Dorian. Not to say he wasn't excellent, just that he didn't live up to his reputation. At the end of Dorian's routine, he posed to "What U Got" by TQ.

 http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1994englishgrandprixdvd.html

[NarcissisticDeity]

Accurate review of Yates from the '94 Grand Prix. Exactly what i've said, on all counts, in every respect. Exactly what i've said regarding front shots and domination by Dillet, Ray and in some shots, Lavrone:

Dorian's calves and back were so freaky they were absurd. He clearly dominated from the rear. But from the front he was really nothing special. I would go so far as to say he was quite below average for the top six. Other than those classic black and white grainy pictures from post-Olympia 1993 taken by Chris Lund, I have never understood what the hype was about this guy. Even at 5'10, he was blocky, had a wide waist and stomach distention, weak arms, and towards the end of his career was just a wreck of injuries. He is proof that the reigning Mr. Olympia will always be Mr. Olympia. He was a good poser and had a fantastic back and was very hard for his size. He was full of strengths, and definitely a top five or even top three competitor from 1991-1997 when he was competing at the Olympias, but he was definitely not the dominant Mr. Olympia some people make him out to be in my opinion. I'll say it like this: Being Mr. Olympia multiple times, I would expect more from Dorian. Not to say he wasn't excellent, just that he didn't live up to his reputation. At the end of Dorian's routine, he posed to "What U Got" by TQ.

 http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1994englishgrandprixdvd.html

Bodybuilding history destorys both your opinions. neither of you can compete with it , deny it all you want but it doesn't change a fact that Dorian was indeed one of the most dominating bodybuilders of all time .

[pumpster]

Bodybuilding history destorys both your opinions. neither of you can compete with it , deny it all you want but it doesn't change a fact that Dorian was indeed one of the most dominating bodybuilders of all time .

What's interesting is that others have picked up on same things i've said, to the letter. What a  coincidence!

[NarcissisticDeity]

What's interesting is that others pick up on the same things i've always said, to the letter. Must be a coincidence!

Its no coincidence you're all Coleman fans lol and the I.F.B.B. judges matter because they along with the bodybuilders make the history , pumpster doesn't matter and neither do I but I'm reporting the history while you're trying to alter it to suit your purpose. you can't have it both ways , you can't bitch about Dorian winning in 94 and then have the balls to say Ronnie deserve to win in 01/02 , especially seeing 94 was NO WHERE near as close as those two .

[pumpster]

you can't bitch about Dorian winning in 94 and then have the balls to say Ronnie deserve to win in 01/02 , especially seeing 94 was NO WHERE near as close as those two .

Yes, we can have it both ways IF Coleman's that much better and dominates, as he usually does! His margin of dominance is such that it's only when he's off that it's closer but even then he's still better.

Yates on the other hand, despite his continued rhetoric to this day, was hanging on by his pubes..hahahhahahahahaha hahahah

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes, we can have it both ways IF Coleman's that much better and dominates, as he does!

Yates on the other hand, despite his rhetoric, was hanging on by his pubes..hahahhahahahahaha hahahah

How fucking stupid can you possibly be? you have to be the most retarded person on this board bar none !! I'm sorry to resort to saying that but your stupidity boogles the mind .

how the fuck can he dominate if he won by just 4 points in 2001 and 9 points in 2002 . neither one of those are DOMINATING you idiot. thats like your retarded logic of Ronnie being able to compensate size-wise for his gut at 247lbs vs Dorian weighing 270lbs , how about in 1998 did he dominate Flex by winning by just 3 points? or how about in 2004 when he won by just 3 points again. none of those are dominating wins he was a very lucky bodybuilder indeed.

You're a typical biased delusional Coleman fan and history laughs at your nonsense .