Guys, come on now. This thread is getting a little long in the tooth. ND has a set of standards that he adheres to, and in his mind Dorian is better. Hulkster, Pumpster, and myself feel the opposite. In reality, with the variability in the IFBB judging, it is conceivable that each bodbybuilder could show up in similar shapes on two different occasions and the outcome would be different. I am almost feeling ND's plea for a truce. Really, Hulkster, do you really think after 300 pages you are going to change his mind. ND, do you think you will convince Hulkster or other Ronnie supporters. Both make excellent points, but each has to admit that with their respective biases that the viewpoint will always slant toward their guy. Personally, I loved Ronnie in 2003 as he was the most powerful looking person to ever set foot on stage. However, I can see how ND likes Dorian circa 1992/1993 as he looked damn good. Each has their respective strengths and weaknesses. But really guys, 293 pages and no end in site. Make a truce; agree to disagree. Hell, the dems and republicans have been carrying that mantra for hundreds of years. It is not a crime. If everybody on this board felt the same way, it would be pretty boring. I would then rather check out the "So You Think You Can Dance" forums. BTW, if you watch the show, Allison and Natalie are hot.

Peace all. Remember, in the end, we are a small group of individuals who need to ultimately support each other, regardless if you agree or not. Peace.