Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Shockwave]

He wasn't known as a blown up Flex Wheeler, you coined that term in another thread.
Something like, "Gee, he looks a lot like a huge Flex."

only someone ignorant of bodybuilding standards would ever say that Dorian has better overall shape than Ronnie, especially in the major extremedies, such as arms and legs.

(and overall taper)

I don't see how this can be debated: Dorian was a mass monster not known for his shape.

Peak Ronnie was referred to as a "blown up version of Flex wheeler" back in the day. He was known for his shape.  Just because that all went to hell in the last few years of his career does not change this fact.

muscle shape was never one of dorian's strong points. He won by having huge massive parts. Not shapely ones.


you don't need to be emperical to see that Dorian was never this shapely.

[delta9mda]

only someone ignorant of bodybuilding standards would ever say that Dorian has better overall shape than Ronnie, especially in the major extremedies, such as arms and legs.

(and overall taper)

I don't see how this can be debated: Dorian was a mass monster not known for his shape.

Peak Ronnie was referred to as a "blown up version of Flex wheeler" back in the day. He was known for his shape.  Just because that all went to hell in the last few years of his career does not change this fact.





muscle shape was never one of dorian's strong points. He won by having huge massive parts. Not shapely ones.


you don't need to be emperical to see that Dorian was never this shapely.

hulky, you sound real bitter man. say it with me, serinity now. serinity now.

[Hulkster]

He wasn't known as a blown up Flex Wheeler, you coined that term in another thread.
Something like, "Gee, he looks a lot like a huge Flex."

actually, it is a quote from musclemag from the 1996 Canada Pro Cup coverage.

many reviewers of the 96 NOC and Canada cup contests commented on the amazing similarities between Ronnie and Flex.

What do you think I am, new?

[delta9mda]

not new but you did say you have never been to a pro show, correct?

[Hulkster]

not new but you did say you have never been to a pro show, correct?

correct.

I would have to travel a long way to see a pro show.

one day I will - hopefully Mr. O. or the Arnold Classic.

but I have seen pros in person (seminars at my local gym (eg. Nimrod King - huge huge huge).

But you don't have to have seen a contest in person to know that Ronnie is clearly better than Dorian

[NeoSeminole]

Looks like Jay doesn't beat Ronnie in the back department anymore.

[sculpture]

Of course he doesnt.

He never did.

The ifbb hype engine is in full swing.

Just like nazi propaganda.

How many suckers will get caught up in it?

[TheAnimal]

Ronnie's glutes absolutley dominate jay's there wow

[Necrosis]

wow that MM of dorian really really sucks, he looks like pure shit. and again his quads suck beyond belief.

[pumpster]

wow that MM of dorian really really sucks, he looks like pure shit. and again his quads suck beyond belief.

No kidding; one of the all-time worst, along with Haney.

For yet another reminder of some of the gifts Yates received, take a look at this. Supposedly Yates was better, according to the "scoring". I don't care how bad his back supposedly was, Yates gets killed standing beside him, in the same way that he would have next to Coleman:

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[IceCold]

only someone ignorant of bodybuilding standards would ever say that Dorian has better overall shape than Ronnie, especially in the major extremedies, such as arms and legs.

(and overall taper)

I don't see how this can be debated: Dorian was a mass monster not known for his shape.

Peak Ronnie was referred to as a "blown up version of Flex wheeler" back in the day. He was known for his shape.  Just because that all went to hell in the last few years of his career does not change this fact.

you don't need to be emperical to see that Dorian was never this shapely.

ronnie has better shape than dorian.  much better.

but when will you realize that shape isnt that important.  that's reality and if you dont like it, then write a letter to the judges. 

shape has virtually nothing to do with muscualrity.  i've seen tons of powerlifters that have decent shape (round shoulders, biceps, etc.) but bc they have no definition or any sort of condition, they are not considered muscular. 

if shape mattered as much as you say then yates would have never have won, flex would have beaten ronnie, and dexter would be mr. olympia right now with melvin being runner-up every year. 

the reason melvin is doing well these past few years is bc his conditioning has improved.  his shape has been the same since he won his pro card and you konw how shitty he did when he had just shape and nothing else. 

ronnie known as a 'blown up flex wheeler'?  maybe.  flex has a MUCH better structure than dorian, and especially, especially ronnie.  he actually has a full length torso and not a shitty four pack.

but it doesnt matter.  dorian not only beat flex, he dominated him.  dominated with size AND conditioning (which is the most important factor in judging a winner).  dorian beat flex so bad, that he forced flex to drop out of the Olympia claiming some ridiculous story (ninjas).  dorian would beat coleman the same fashion - it would just be much closer. 

[IceCold]

No kidding; one of the all-time worst, along with Haney.

For yet another reminder of some of the gifts Yates received, take a look at this. Supposedly Yates was better, according to the "scoring". I don't care how bad his back supposedly was, Yates gets killed standing beside him, in the same way that he would have next to Coleman:

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all-time worst along with haney?  you really should be banned. 

yeah, yates MM isnt that good.  everyone has poses that arent their best.

paul has never once said that deserved to beat dorian.  in fact he always has praised dorian and calling the 95 version the best conditioned bber ever.  i have the exact quote if you would like me to post that.

so now paul himself is wrong, and you, the great pumpster, are correct.

 

[Necrosis]

ronnie has better shape than dorian.  much better.

but when will you realize that shape isnt that important.  that's reality and if you dont like it, then write a letter to the judges. 

shape has virtually nothing to do with muscualrity.  i've seen tons of powerlifters that have decent shape (round shoulders, biceps, etc.) but bc they have no definition or any sort of condition, they are not considered muscular. 

if shape mattered as much as you say then yates would have never have won, flex would have beaten ronnie, and dexter would be mr. olympia right now with melvin being runner-up every year. 

the reason melvin is doing well these past few years is bc his conditioning has improved.  his shape has been the same since he won his pro card and you konw how shitty he did when he had just shape and nothing else. 

ronnie known as a 'blown up flex wheeler'?  maybe.  flex has a MUCH better structure than dorian, and especially, especially ronnie.  he actually has a full length torso and not a shitty four pack.

but it doesnt matter.  dorian not only beat flex, he dominated him.  dominated with size AND conditioning (which is the most important factor in judging a winner).  dorian beat flex so bad, that he forced flex to drop out of the Olympia claiming some ridiculous story (ninjas).  dorian would beat coleman the same fashion - it would just be much closer. 
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so flex structure is better then dorians but way better then ronnies, are you dorian nuthuggers retarded. dorian had shitty legs, and arms with mediocore everything else except back and great conditioning. ronnie had great back and arms and legs ( save calves ). very good chest and delts with awesome shape and conditioning with awesome inserts. you my friend are a victim of down syndrome.

[sculpture]

all-time worst along with haney?  you really should be banned. 

yeah, yates MM isnt that good.  everyone has poses that arent their best.

paul has never once said that deserved to beat dorian.  in fact he always has praised dorian and calling the 95 version the best conditioned bber ever.  i have the exact quote if you would like me to post that.

so now paul himself is wrong, and you, the great pumpster, are correct.

 

Fuckin old news pal. Get over it. The quote has many times been thrown around this thread to little avail.

Get with the program.

When pumpster refers to haney being one of the worst ever he 's referring to the most muscular in which case he's pretty dead on.

The pose turns haney's arms further into shit

[RocketSwitch625]

Nice frogs legs on the left there. LOL

[IceCold]

Fuckin old news pal. Get over it. The quote has many times been thrown around this thread to little avail.

Get with the program.

When pumpster refers to haney being one of the worst ever he 's referring to the most muscular in which case he's pretty dead on.

The pose turns haney's arms further into shit

i havent seen the issue with dillet and his quote about dorian's conditioning once on this thread. 

please show me where?

also, pumpster isnt only refering to their MM poses. he's continously called yates and haney overated and 'tier b olympians' - when they are 2 of the most dominant and respected bbers of all time. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

only someone ignorant of bodybuilding standards would ever say that Dorian has better overall shape than Ronnie, especially in the major extremedies, such as arms and legs.

(and overall taper)

I don't see how this can be debated: Dorian was a mass monster not known for his shape.

Peak Ronnie was referred to as a "blown up version of Flex wheeler" back in the day. He was known for his shape.  Just because that all went to hell in the last few years of his career does not change this fact
muscle shape was never one of dorian's strong points. He won by having huge massive parts. Not shapely ones.


you don't need to be emperical to see that Dorian was never this shapely.

I always laugh when you try to compared Flex and Ronnie lol Flex had aesthetics and Coleman didn't

And here is a little clue for you , one doesn't need superior shape , superior taper , superior x-frame , superior vascularity , superior biceps to beat Ronnie Coleman , as Jay Cutler , Guther and Badell proved.. all you need is comprable size and better conditioning lol you can't counter that ! for all of Ronnie's supposed advantages he always gets beat by guys bigger/comprable size with better conditioning

[NarcissisticDeity]

i havent seen the issue with dillet and his quote about dorian's conditioning once on this thread. 

please show me where?

also, pumpster isnt only refering to their MM poses. he's continously called yates and haney overated and 'tier b olympians' - when they are 2 of the most dominant and respected bbers of all time. 

You're right , pumpy always said Haney was another one who was hand-picked by the Weiders pumpy thinks his hero Sergio should have beat Haney in 84 lol

Paul Dillett after the 1995 Mr Olympia " I've seen Jesus Christ and he looks like Dorian Yates . "

[Hulkster]

And here is a little clue for you , one doesn't need superior shape , superior taper , superior x-frame , superior vascularity , superior biceps to beat Ronnie Coleman , as Jay Cutler , Guther and Badell proved.

they certainly do when he was in shape.

ND you are a moron to say this sort of crap.


of all the Yates nut huggers you are the most bizarre.

Sucky and Icecold actually have coherent arguments, even if they are wrong .

You  come across looking like a retard, especially with comments like the ones above..

go back into hiding and let the intellectuals debate this topic

[NeoSeminole]

for all of Ronnie's supposed advantages he always gets beat by guys bigger/comprable size with better conditioning

always? Ronnie's lost only 2 shows in the past 9 yrs (not including this year's GPs)

[NarcissisticDeity]

they certainly do when he was in shape.

ND you are a moron to say this sort of crap.


of all the Yates nut huggers you are the most bizarre.

Sucky and Icecold actually have coherent arguments, even if they are wrong .

You  come across looking like a retard, especially with comments like the ones above..

go back into hiding and let the intellectuals debate this topic

LMFAO Intellectuals you and pumpy are intellectual-giants lol what a complete tool lol this debate was over the instance you said Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder ever this statement alone proves you're a hopeless clueless individual who is fueld by bias and delusion , and you tried again by saying Yates and Kovacs are the same , I've honestly tried to entertain your opinion but you're stupid and clueless and I can't debate with people who are lost . 

[Hulkster]

if dorian was not so overrated, then why are his arms and legs smooth in all the pics and videos, even when in his prime?

face it ND: he won based on a few major strengths, but had major (not minor) flaws that were overlooked due to a "size is all that matters" judging philosophy.

for someone who loves physiques like Samir, Haney, Zane  no one can understand your infatuation with Yates.

[NarcissisticDeity]

always? Ronnie's lost only 2 shows in the past 9 yrs (not including this year's GPs)

Throughout his career Ronnie gets in trouble with guys of simlar size and better conditioning.

[NarcissisticDeity]

if dorian was not so overrated, then why are his arms and legs smooth in all the pics and videos, even when in his prime?

face it ND: he won based on a few major strengths, but had major (not minor) flaws that were overlooked due to a "size is all that matters" judging philosophy.

for someone who loves physiques like Samir, Haney, Zane  no one can understand your infatuation with Yates.

If he wasn't overrated , kid go away when you say this you expose yourself as delusional , learn more about bodybuilding than come back and I'll entertain your nonsense .

I'm not infatuated with Yates I can apperciate his dominance while NOT being a huge fan of his physique , I can appericate Ronnie's physique at its best while NOT being a huge fan of it

I'm a HUGE fan of Flexs' phsyique but I can admit that he wasn't going to beat Yates in 93 I can seperate my personal feelings from facts its called objectivity go learn it along with bodybuilding and then come back and apologize for your ignorance and stupidty and I'll be here willing to accept it.   

[Hulkster]

Throughout his career Ronnie gets in trouble with guys of simlar size and better conditioning.

and the fact that Yates beat smaller guys with far better quality is really sad. Everyone but you can see that this never ever should have happened.

the judges in the 90's would never let the Mr. O. lose - hence Dorian wins 6 when he really should have won 3 (anyone can see that 94 (ray), 96 (ray) and 97 (nasser) should have won - not Yates)

In the 2000's that philosophy is gone.