Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

If he wasn't overrated , kid go away when you say this you expose yourself as delusional , learn more about bodybuilding than come back and I'll entertain your nonsense .

I'm not infatuated with Yates I can apperciate his dominance while NOT being a huge fan of his physique , I can appericate Ronnie's physique at its best while NOT being a huge fan of it

I'm a HUGE fan of Flexs' phsyique but I can admit that he wasn't going to beat Yates in 93 I can seperate my personal feelings from facts its called objectivity go learn it along with bodybuilding and then come back and apologize for your ignorance and stupidty and I'll be here willing to accept it.   

you avoided my question:

how can someone who wins 6 Mr. O's but has arm and quads like this NOT be overrated:



1993 best

answer ND. You have been dodging this sort of stuff for 387 pages now.

[NarcissisticDeity]

and the fact that Yates beat smaller guys with far better quality is really sad. Everyone but you can see that this never ever should have happened.

the judges in the 90's would never let the Mr. O. lose - hence Dorian wins 6 when he really should have won 3 (anyone can see that 94 (ray), 96 (ray) and 97 (nasser) should have won - not Yates)

In the 2000's that philosophy is gone.

You're just an internet-fan you're basing ENTIRE contests on a few pictures and compressed video , you're claiming to know more than bodybuilding judges who've been doing this for years and yet you're actually clueless to the criteria they used , you lack objectivity and honesty along with an eye to disect the bodybuilders physique 12 fucking-judges picked Dorian Yates as a multiple winner for a reason thats pretty unanimous , you just don't want Dorian to win because you don't get it , well the judges did so they own you and your lame opinion.

[Hulkster]

You're just an internet-fan you're basing ENTIRE contests on a few pictures and compressed video , you're claiming to know more than bodybuilding judges who've been doing this for years and yet you're actually clueless to the criteria they used , you lack objectivity and honesty along with an eye to disect the bodybuilders physique 12 fucking-judges picked Dorian Yates as a multiple winner for a reason thats pretty unanimous , you just don't want Dorian to win because you don't get it , well the judges did so they own you and your lame opinion.

still haven't answered

ND you are claiming that Dorian will miraculously have super ripped and striated arms and legs in person, but that they disappear when seen on camera and video?

well, does that mean that striated Ronnie has no skin in person too?

how pathetic.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you avoided my question:

how can someone who wins 6 Mr. O's but has arm and quads like this NOT be overrated:


1993 best

answer ND. You have been dodging this sort of stuff for 387 pages now.

I've NEVER dodged your questions NONE of them I've answered them from the start of theis thread and well , well before it , you're clueless you don't know what you're talking about and thats exactly why I started this thread because I knew you're a zealot and can't be objective , YOU claim his arms suck and his quads suck so therefore he is overrated I will seriously NOT entertain you when you make these claims , it shows you don't know anything .

[pumpster]

pumpster isnt only refering to their MM poses. he's continously called yates and haney overated and 'tier b olympians' - when they are 2 of the most dominant and respected bbers of all time.

What a pompous ass, letting us know what i was thinking. What a dink. Learn to read & comprehend english, it must be your second language. I was referring to Haney's MM, which is as putrid or worse than Yates, which is also a nightmare. So much for looking the part of champs, huh?

Overall, Haney & Yates *are* the creme de la creme of tier-B Olympians. They BOTH had serious balance issues, like it or not-both with torsos that overwhelmed and detracted from their pros.
None other than Sergio has said same, while Schwarzenegger concurred on Yates in mid-90s Flex article, justifiably complaining that Yates was what was wrong with BB, that he didn't look the part of a true BB. All true, you turd.

Haney's smallish arms looking at least 17"..a true superstar doesn't look this bad in a classic BB pose! Because of his many weaknesses he looks like a million dollars in some shots that hide those weaknesses, then looks like sh-- in other shots.

[NarcissisticDeity]

still haven't answered

ND you are claiming that Dorian will miraculously have super ripped and striated arms and legs in person, but that they disappear when seen on camera and video?

well, does that mean that striated Ronnie has no skin in person too?

how pathetic.

No one ever claimed he had striated quads , striations don't have a fucking-thing to do with how low your bodyfat is , you claim Dorian is ' smooth ' this implied he's carrying water he isn't , he never had a problem with holding water , this is what seperated him from the rest ( among other things ) its easy to be 200lbs and ripped its 20times harder to be 260lbs and shredded like a 200 pounder

the general consensus was you had to see Dorian Yates in person to get the full effect , pictures and videos DO NOT do him justice I don't care if you believe this you're clueless and you don'tknow much about bodybuilding

[Hulkster]

YOU claim his arms suck and his quads suck so therefore he is overrated I will seriously NOT entertain you when you make these claims , it shows you don't know anything .

no, you can't answer it because all the pics and videos show I am right - his quads and arms were always smooth.

this is great ! ND is trapped and refuses to give a coherent explanation on how a Mr. O. can win so many times with smooth arms and quads and not be overrated!



hahahahahaha

He avoids the question yet again!~

[Hulkster]

the general consensus was you had to see Dorian Yates in person to get the full effect , pictures and videos DO NOT do him justice I don't care if you believe this you're clueless and you don'tknow much about bodybuilding

hahaa again you avoid the second part of the question:

if dorian looks so much better in person than what happens when you see Ronnie in person?

ND is caught between a rock and a hard place...

this is great!

[delta9mda]

correct.

I would have to travel a long way to see a pro show.

one day I will - hopefully Mr. O. or the Arnold Classic.

but I have seen pros in person (seminars at my local gym (eg. Nimrod King - huge huge huge).

But you don't have to have seen a contest in person to know that Ronnie is clearly better than Dorian

been to 4 pro shows, 2 of them mr o. you do have to see a show for real to know what you are talking about. you have not seen yates live. it really matters. ive said it and ill say it again, from the moment they walked onstage at the 95 o, it was over. yates hands down. more deatil, and quality and hardness and everything else than anyone else. period. where did ronnie place? there must be something to be said about a guy who turns pro dominates from the start and at the time of the highest quality of competition...... and to not lose a show once becoming the mr o.

[NarcissisticDeity]

been to 4 pro shows, 2 of them mr o. you do have to see a show for real to know what you are talking about. you have not seen yates live. it really matters. ive said it and ill say it again, from the moment they walked onstage at the 95 o, it was over. yates hands down. more deatil, and quality and hardness and everything else than anyone else. period. where did ronnie place? there must be something to be said about a guy who turns pro dominates from the start and at the time of the highest quality of competition...... and to not lose a show once becoming the mr o.

Thank you , someone who gets it !!

[Hulkster]

there must be something to be said about a guy who turns pro dominates from the start and at the time of the highest quality of competition...... and to not lose a show once becoming the mr o.

correct - you can say he was OVERRATED!
 

[Hulkster]

been to 4 pro shows, 2 of them mr o. you do have to see a show for real to know what you are talking about. you have not seen yates live. it really matters. ive said it and ill say it again, from the moment they walked onstage at the 95 o, it was over. yates hands down. more deatil, and quality and hardness and everything else than anyone else. period. where did ronnie place? there must be something to be said about a guy who turns pro dominates from the start and at the time of the highest quality of competition...... and to not lose a show once becoming the mr o.

but again, this does not address one of the issues that ND keeps avoiding:

if dorian looks so-so in many pics and videos due to flaws in his arms and legs,

what does that say about how Ronnie looks in person?

[Hulkster]

ps - ND don't think you are getting out of this one so easily.

you still owe the board an answer to my question



fess up

[NarcissisticDeity]

but again, this does not address one of the issues that ND keeps avoiding:

if dorian looks so-so in many pics and videos due to flaws in his arms and legs,

what does that say about how Ronnie looks in person?

I'm sure that applies to Ronnie was well but Dorian's arms are NOT flawed thats your dumb-ass assesment and neither are his quads . despite his lack of highpeaked biceps and quads like Platz he dominated in a way Coleman never did and that bothers you , the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , get the hook.

[suckmymuscle]

sucky, his arms and quads are as smooth as can be in that shot and every other shot posted on this thread.

  Smooth? I don't think so! I'm the first to admit that Ronnie's frontal quadriceps have better separations. And yes, Ronnie's biceps are bigger. But remeber that that the arms are composed of biceps, triceps and forearms. So, let's analyse this. At 257 lbs, Dorian:

 - Has greater triceps muscularity.

 - Wins the side triceps pose, both in muscularity and symmetry.

 - Has more striations on his triceps.

 - Has, by far, the most muscular forearms.

 - Has inferior biceps, although his brachialis is quite good.

 - Has a denser look to them.

  So, I don't understand, exactly, what you mean by saying that his arms and quads were "smooth". The only thing that Ronnie has on Dorian, when it comes to arms, besides the biceps, are superior deltoid tie-in separations. The problem is that this is not visible on most mandatories envolving the arms excepth the most muscular - and the crab shot only became a mandatory in recent years.

  As for the quadriceps, Ronnie has The Yates when it comes to separations between the vastus medialis and lateralis, but that's it. The 2003 Ronnie had vastly superior quads to Dorian in muscularity - to the point where it compromised his entire lower-body balance -, but this is not the case when it comes to the 1999 Ronald. I find it funny that you said Dorian had some "smooth" muscles, because, if there is one thing that everyone agrees when it comes to Dorian, even the people who think he never should have become a standard-bearer, is that there wasn't a single muscle in his entire body which didn't look like it was sculpted in stone.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

what you do not understand is that developing good muscle shape is part of the development of the muscles.

when you say "greater muscularity" this implies many attributes - size, shape, detail.

It is not simply whos muscles are bigger.

  No. This is what you don't understand: muscularity refers exclusively and especifically to muscular development. That's it. Things like "shape" are usually judged in the symmetry category, and detail is usually evaluated as a part of conditioning.

  The reason why bodybuilders diet for three months before a show is to decrease their bodyfat, so that they will increase their muscular separations. Then, they cut sodium two days out from the contest to lose subcutaneous water and obtain a hard, dry look. These things are part of conditioning. Why? Because increasing separations and hardness does not envolve building muscle!

  To understand the difference between muscularity and conditioning, a good example would be to compare Ronnie at the 1998Olympia to Ronnie at the 2003 rendition of the contest. In 1998, the entire hype about Coleman is how much he had increased his conditioning: how he had incredible crispness, separations and striations all over his body. In 2003, conversely, the hype was about his increddible muscularity. No one remarked how Ronnie had increased his separations, dryness, etc. Why? Because he didn't: he actually had less of these things then in previouis years. But his muscles were huge.
 
  Now, as for "shape", it is subjective, and it is not a part which is objectively judged in a bodybuilding contest. The things that are ordinarily judged are muscularity and the proportionality of it - muscularity&symmetry -, as well as conditioning. Now, judges might evaluate positively a bodybuilder's specific muscle shape in the symmetry round, and give him points on it. Or they may not. The point here is that, unlike muscularity&symmetry, which must be objectively evaluated and the judges have no choice but to give or remove from competitors according to their level of muscular development and proportionality, there is no such obligation to reward "this" or "that" shape; they do it if they want to, and different judges think differently. Do you understand it now, Hulky?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 

[Hulkster]

So, I don't understand, exactly, what you mean by saying that his arms and quads were "smooth".

there is nothing to "understand" - just LOOK at the fucking pics/videos!!!






you guys reduce bodybuilding to analysis on paper with your numbers and postulates.

None of it means shit if you don't open your eyes and LOOK at the physiques in question! That is why no one can understand your whole pro -dorian argument.  None of the pics and videos support the notion that he would beat a peak Ronnie at his best.

[Hulkster]

and sucky, muscular shape is awarded points in the muscularity round when the muscles are being flexed in the mandatories. It is not awarded during the "relaxed" round.

[NeoSeminole]

95 Dorian vs 03 Ronnie

[Dorian 01]

Damn, look how much better posed the Side Tri and Side Chest is on Dorian.

Hmm. Whose arm-to-thigh ratio was more unbalanced? I don't know sometimes.

[NarcissisticDeity]

there is nothing to "understand" - just LOOK at the fucking pics/videos!!!



you guys reduce bodybuilding to analysis on paper with your numbers and postulates.

None of it means shit if you don't open your eyes and LOOK at the physiques in question! That is why no one can understand your whole pro -dorian argument.  None of the pics and videos support the notion that he would beat a peak Ronnie at his best.

We haved looked at the pics & videos and thats how we came to the conclsion that Yates would in all probability beat Ronnie at his best

The side chest , side triceps and the front latspread & rear latspread , abdominal & thigh are all clearly better than Ronnie in my opinion , the back double biceps is debateable and Ronnie has the front doublebiceps

and you believe none of the pics & video support our claims but your opinion is way to slanted toward Ronnie and to biased against Dorian , look who we're dealing with you think Flex beat Dorian in 93 , you need to learn about bodybuilding and learn objectivity.

[Shockwave]

there is nothing to "understand" - just LOOK at the fucking pics/videos!!!

you guys reduce bodybuilding to analysis on paper with your numbers and postulates.

None of it means shit if you don't open your eyes and LOOK at the physiques in question! That is why no one can understand your whole pro -dorian argument.  None of the pics and videos support the notion that he would beat a peak Ronnie at his best.

Is hulkster finally melting down?

[RocketSwitch625]

95 Dorian vs 03 Ronnie

Yates pwns the shit out of Coleman in every one of those shots.

[IceCold]

fess up

thanks for posting a pic of dorian, that is black and white from his 1st Mr. Olympia vs. a picture of Coleman at his best from the 99 Grand prix, where based on the lighting and black background, he and every else looks much better than normal.

post another pic of coleman, shit, even from the same year in 99, and see the difference.  

[Jr. Yates]

Ronnie wins in those comparison pics but not by much.