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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10075 on: October 17, 2006, 03:55:18 PM »
one of the dumbest comments on the entire thread.

anyone who says Ronnie did not kill Jay from the back in 2001 is just being stupid (ie like ND).

it was not like 2006 folks.

Ronnie's back killed Jay's back in 2001:


ND, you are a baised guy who has fallen for the 2006 Jay Cutler Hype.

How did he dominate when he lost the symmetry & muscularity rounds? , idiot thats an oxymoron ! he didn't dominate he lost the whole prejudging not just one round he lost both rounds , you can't dominate by losing lol the more we go on the more you expose yourself as ignorant

Yawn at the Cutler-Hype comment I didn't fall for anything I've maintained on these boards for a couple of years it was clearly evident that Jay won in 2001 and now that he won in 2006 you act like I'm all the sudden jumping on the bandwagon  ::) I'm not a fan of Ronnie physique or Jays but I'm objective to know when one lost and when one won , 2001 Jay won but Ronnie squeeked one by him , 2006 Jay was clearly the better of the two and was a deserving winner.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10076 on: October 17, 2006, 03:57:43 PM »
The 2001 Olympia was like the 1990 Olympia all over again when Lee Labrada lost to Lee Haney after the posing round. I'm not saying Labrada should've beaten Haney but I don't know how any bodybuilder can win Mr Olympia after losing the 2 most important rounds.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10077 on: October 17, 2006, 04:00:24 PM »
I'm still laughing at Hulkster's claim Ronnie dominated Jay from the back at the 2001 Mr Olympia despite the fact that Ronnie lost both the symmetry & muscularity rounds lol

Hulkster-logic Dorian is overrated because he was so great lol

Hulkster-logic Ronnie dominated by losing lol

I'm seriously laughing my fucking-ass off lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10078 on: October 17, 2006, 04:25:44 PM »
and he probably had better biceps than Dorian...

what is your point?

  The point is that the average man does not have 21" arms like Dorian did, although anyoone can have 19" calves like Ronnie. ;D Now seriously, try to the advantage in a arm muscularity that the 1999 Ronnie had, over Dorian, was very small, most of it biceps. Now, you keep trying to make a point that Dorian's arms were weak, when in reality Dorian's triceps were roughly equivalent to Ronnie's in muscularity - with the edge in muscularity going to Dorian when it comes to foerearms -, and Dorian used them to his advantage when it counts: in the side triceps shot.

  Now, you can argue that Dorian's triceps were sub-par and took away from him in other poses and from other angles. It's not true, bu let's assume it is. Well, ther medial triceps head is only visible from the back when the one's elbows are pointing outward. This would compromise Dorian only in the rear lat spread. Now, since Dorian's latissimus spreads so wide in this mandatory and he has such superb balance from head to toe, this wouldn't represent such a liability anyway - because, even in this shot, the visibluility of the medial triceps head is small.

  As for the inner triceps head, it's visibility is only apparent from the front, when the bodybuilder is flexing his arms. Again, Ronnie would take that - if he had the ticker inner triceps head, which is not the case when it comes to the 1999 Ronnie -, but since he already wins the front double biceps mandatory at any weight regardless, the point is irrelevant. You could argue that his arms compromise his overrall balance in the symmetry round, but it is actually Ronnie who has unually large biceps for the rest of his arms. Once again, Hulky, you have no game. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10079 on: October 17, 2006, 04:40:03 PM »
I like the way this character continues to try to change BBing and judging to suit his own biases-Yates has lousy bis so therefore biceps don't matter much.  ::) Yates has density, so that's more important than anything else.  ::) Monster delusions.

  Density is a property of conditioning, and this is only the quality wityh which you prersent your physique. No one has ever won a bodybuilding contest only with density. As an example, a dehydrated and starved Auschwitz concentration camp prisioner, who is at 3% bodyfat, will have awesome density. However, if you put him in a bodybuilding stage against 250 lbs guys with 7% bodyfat and not so dehydrated, he'll lose.

  Dorian won so many times because he was the most muscular bodybuilder with the least liabilities, the best overrall proportions when standing relaxed as well as in most mandatories, and the bodybuilder who presented his mass with the best hardness&dryness. For instance, Nasser was more muscular than Dorian on several bodyparts, such as quads and delts. But he had defective latissimus development, and he was disproportional in several different poses. Not that Dorian had impeccable proportions on all poses; no, he simplyt had less flaws on most of them. For instance, both Dorian's side chest and side triceps are classical in terms of proportions, with him being at a bodyweight of 260 lbs where his serratus are still visible. Shawn had better proportions on several poses than Dorian, but Dorian was still good enough. And when you take into consideration that Dorian carried 55 lbs of lean muscle more, you un derstand why he dominated Shawn so thoroughly.

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Last time i looked, arms were a major part of BB judging. Stop trying to dismiss it..1-2-3...DUH.

  First of all, as I have demonstrated already, Dorian actually edges the 1999 Ronnie on triceps for several aspects(see my previous post), so you critique is unfair. Furthermore, Ronnie's advantage in overrall arms muscularity is very small. You might prefer his shape, but the judges might not - and they have no obligation to. ;)

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Until recently and for most of his career, Coleman had tris that look to be almost twice the size of Yates-deal with it. ;D

  "Looking" bigger does not mean that they were. In fact, as I pointed out, their triceps were roughly equivalent in muscularity when it comes to the 1999 Ronnie. It just so happens that Ronnie's rounder muscle belly and smaller elbow joint makes his triceps appear bigger. Get over it! ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10080 on: October 17, 2006, 04:43:29 PM »
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How did he dominate when he lost the symmetry & muscularity rounds?

Where did I say Ronnie dominated Jay?

read what I said.

He dominated FROM THE BACK - this is COMMON KNOWLEDGE in the 2001 show.

note: Jay did NOT dominate Ronnie either.

Neither dominated each other - sure Jay won the first two rounds, but by a few points that I would hardly call "dominating"

Watch the youtube clip from 2001 ND: you will see that Jay's back was weak compared to ronnie's back in 2001.

Hell, jay's back is still weak in 2006! :P 8)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10081 on: October 17, 2006, 04:51:57 PM »
really?

Ronnie has a better side chest, front double bi, better back double bi, better rear lat spread, an equal side tri, and the other two poses he is not even flexing yet...

hardly a decisive win for Jay ::)

  You out of your fucking mind! ::)

Side chest - Dorian's side chest is a classic: his pectoralis muscles bulges forward, giving him tremendous pectoral muscularity. His vastus lateralis are and calves are massive, making the pose a perfecto symmetry-wise. He has etched serratus...at 260 lbs! :o

Back double biceps - Ronnie has comparable back separations to Dorian in his 1999 form. Ok. But Dorian's latissimus, teres major, teres major and infra spinatus are thicker, he has greater hardness, a smaller gluteus maximus which is symmetrical to the pose - in contrast to Ronnie's huge glutes which ruins his symmetry. His hamstrings are striated just like Ronnie's, although maybe not as developed and Dorian has calves. All things considered, Dorian has the better back double biceps.

Rear lat spread - Dorian's latissimus spread wider than that of the 1999 Ronnie, with a thicker christmas-tree. Furthemore, Dorian's more proportional, with smaller glutes, greater calves and hmstrings that, if not as big, are at least as good. Game over. Hulky, I have destroyed you again. For how long shall it continue? ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10082 on: October 17, 2006, 04:52:41 PM »
If it was so close and the judges chose Jay in the 2001 muscularity and symmetry round, why didn't they (the SAME judges) choose Shawn over Dorian in 94 if it was so controversial? What politics did Jay have that Shawn didn't if you want to argue that card?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10083 on: October 17, 2006, 04:57:32 PM »
hahaha...please. An average person will never have arms like Dorian, yet the average person has better calves than Ronnie...lol what a joke.

Ronnie's calves are big, but they look small compared to his massive thighs. I wouldn't be surprised if his calves are 20" which is almost the size of Dorian's python 20.47" arms. ::)




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10084 on: October 17, 2006, 05:00:40 PM »
I think I am one of the few in this thread that can actually admire both of these bodybuilders at there best. For one to completely disregard Dorian's best form is absurd. It is still the second best package brought on the olympia stage. Ronnie was awesome in 98 and 99. Personally it's hard to choose between 98 and 99 for me. He was drier in 98, but the gyno was bad and his quads weren't as separated as 99. 99 he had more size but he didnt appear as dry. 2003 was the "new standard" but doesn't do much for me becuase that's not Ronnie at his best condition wise. Compared to 98 he was watery and had more fat.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10085 on: October 17, 2006, 05:03:34 PM »
If you don't find these shots impressive, I doubt you are a fan of BB.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10086 on: October 17, 2006, 05:05:07 PM »
If it was so close and the judges chose Jay in the 2001 muscularity and symmetry round, why didn't they (the SAME judges) choose Shawn over Dorian in 94 if it was so controversial? What politics did Jay have that Shawn didn't if you want to argue that card?


you tell me. in the words of musclemag (who did not feel that dorian deserved to beat shawn) "Shawn Ray was Magnificent"..

likely the whole reason may have been that the judges seem to think that being 5'6 disqualifies you from winning even if you are kicking your opponents ass on stage..


big mistake.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10087 on: October 17, 2006, 05:06:45 PM »
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I think I am one of the few in this thread that can actually admire both of these bodybuilders at there best.
Equal parts delusion & self-congratulations - the lack of objectivity's familiar ground to Yates ball worshipers. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10088 on: October 17, 2006, 05:09:48 PM »
But Shawn never had the best backside. Bodybuilding is mostly about muscularity, the big gripe from the judges was that Shawn never made the big changes from year to year. He competed around 205 in 94. If he was 5'6", that's 3.1lbs/inch. Dorian had 3.74 lbs/inch. If Shawn was the same density as Dorian I wouldn't have a problem with him winning, but muscularity is such a huge part of bodybuilding, not bodyshaping. The fact that Ronnie has shape along with mass is just iciing on the cake.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10089 on: October 17, 2006, 05:09:52 PM »
Where did I say Ronnie dominated Jay?

read what I said.

He dominated FROM THE BACK - this is COMMON KNOWLEDGE in the 2001 show.

note: Jay did NOT dominate Ronnie either.

Neither dominated each other - sure Jay won the first two rounds, but by a few points that I would hardly call "dominating"

Watch the youtube clip from 2001 ND: you will see that Jay's back was weak compared to ronnie's back in 2001.

Hell, jay's back is still weak in 2006! :P 8)

Hulkster understand this , Ronald Dean Coleman did NOT I repeat did NOT dominate Jason Cutler from the back at the 2001 Mr Olympia , if according to your internet-fan-boy-logic he did dominate Jay from the back in the 2001 Mr Olympia he would have NEVER lost the symmetry & muscularity rounds , he lost all of the pre-judging ! you cannot I repeat CANNOT dominate from the back by losing 2 rounds out of 4 its impossible

Domniating would be Ronnie getting straight 5s in both rounds of the prejudging and he lost both rounds , I never claimed Jay dominated either but he clearly won the prejudging that includes from the back , once again you're going against facts that own you ( and me owning you my proxy )

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10090 on: October 17, 2006, 05:11:05 PM »
Pumpster, you have been put in your place so many times in this thread it's amazing you haven't killed yourself yet. Did you graduate from high school?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10091 on: October 17, 2006, 05:11:47 PM »
If you don't find these shots impressive, I doubt you are a fan of BB.



no one said dorian was not impressive.

but the fact is that standing onstage beside other competitors is a whole different ball game than standing by yourself offstage.. onstage,  he lost a lot of that 'wow' factor..


facts are that 99.99% of the great shots of dorian in this thread do not show him standing next to fellow pros.

just an observation that has been made before, and the dorian side doesn't seem to acknowledge.


eg. take for example the taper shot - looks really good....



until he stands next to someone..then you see how wide his waist was in comparison to others...

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10092 on: October 17, 2006, 05:12:11 PM »
I think I am one of the few in this thread that can actually admire both of these bodybuilders at there best. For one to completely disregard Dorian's best form is absurd. It is still the second best package brought on the olympia stage. Ronnie was awesome in 98 and 99. Personally it's hard to choose between 98 and 99 for me. He was drier in 98, but the gyno was bad and his quads weren't as separated as 99. 99 he had more size but he didnt appear as dry. 2003 was the "new standard" but doesn't do much for me becuase that's not Ronnie at his best condition wise. Compared to 98 he was watery and had more fat.



I can appreciate Ronnie , when Ronnie was good and he gets respect for that but not much else , and you bring up some valid points , Ironically Dorian & Ronnie have a muctual respect for each other and Ronnie speaks highly of Dorian to bad they can't see where Ronnie is comming from.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10093 on: October 17, 2006, 05:12:58 PM »
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Thats what they do , Dorian's biceps arern't just good they're the worse of all time , and then his entire arms are bad , 17" the worse arms of any Mr Olympia , his arms are smaller than Labradas , his arms aren't even on the National level , he won with one arm or a missing bicep , I love that one his bicep isn't just shorter than the other its ' missing '
Those little details just keep getting in the way...all the great BBs i've seen had great arms, Yates never did. Rest assured that Yates is numero uno amongst tier-B. :o

One of the ugliest tri shots you'll ever see.. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10094 on: October 17, 2006, 05:14:14 PM »
no one said dorian was not impressive.

but the fact is that standing onstage beside other competitors is a whole different ball game than standing by yourself offstage.. onstage,  he lost a lot of that 'wow' factor..


facts are that 99.99% of the great shots of dorian in this thread do not show him standing next to fellow pros.

just an observation that has been made before, and the dorian side doesn't seem to acknowledge.


eg. take for example the taper shot - looks really good....



until he stands next to someone..then you see how wide his waist was in comparison to others...



Dorian's waist doesn't look wide there at all. It's the same size as Levrone's, except Dorian has much wider clavicles.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10095 on: October 17, 2006, 05:14:56 PM »
no one is disregarding dorian's best form (1993)

What IS being called into question is how he could have recieved such AMAZING scores relative to his competion when two of the LARGEST and most highly regarded bodyparts (quads and arms) were flawed in comparison to MANY of his competitors.

this does not add up.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10096 on: October 17, 2006, 05:15:06 PM »
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Pumpster, you have been put in your place so many times in this thread it's amazing you haven't killed yourself yet. Did you graduate from high school?
I smell GED with your clear lack of objectivity and self-congrats. Real lame.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10097 on: October 17, 2006, 05:15:23 PM »

you tell me. in the words of musclemag (who did not feel that dorian deserved to beat shawn) "Shawn Ray was Magnificent"..

likely the whole reason may have been that the judges seem to think that being 5'6 disqualifies you from winning even if you are kicking your opponents ass on stage..


big mistake.

You're so clueless is pathetic , kicking your opponets ass on stage? lol he just barely beat Levrove and not by virtue of his phsyique but posing , he was trailing Levrone 6 points after the pre-judging he wasn't kicking anyones ass , and he never even came close to Dorian in 94 , I own you with facts.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10098 on: October 17, 2006, 05:16:10 PM »
Pumpster, you have been put in your place so many times in this thread it's amazing you haven't killed yourself yet. Did you graduate from high school?

Great point pumpy has been abused on this thread lol he's like a whore thats been past around .  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10099 on: October 17, 2006, 05:17:37 PM »
no one is disregarding dorian's best form (1993)

What IS being called into question is how he could have recieved such AMAZING scores relative to his competion when two of the LARGEST and most highly regarded bodyparts (quads and arms) were flawed in comparison to MANY of his competitors.

this does not add up.

I own you once again !!  ;) you disreguarded Dorian's 93 form you even claimed Flex Wheeler was the rightfull winner and Dorian lost that one lol dispite Flex saying he felt lucky to place 2nd over Shawn lol I own you with facts !  ;)