Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[IceCold]

Or '97..classic Yates H-taper. 

0r 06...classic coleman and i dont even know what to call this other than pathetic.




oh, yeah.  dorian still won in 97, while ronnie was easily dethroned in an extremely embarrassing fashion. 

talk about twig arms. 

[Hulkster]

uneducated?

LOL

people say I have more degrees than a thermometer

[Hulkster]

if we go back to the ridiculous claim that Ronnie injects his calves for a moment,

Look at it this way:

if Ronnie was injecting his calves, he would have to have been injecting them since at least BEFORE 1991 (since his calves have always looked smooth from day one).

Now which is more likely:

1. that Ronnie was one of the FIRST pros to inject stuff into his calves and NEVER seemed to do this in ANY other bodypart (for no apparent reason - his quads and triceps could have used this stuff back then no doubt)...

OR

2. he has never injected his calves and they are genetically crappy like Dorian's biceps?

You tell me which is more likely

[NarcissisticDeity]

uneducated?

LOL

people say I have more degrees than a thermometer

LMFAO I'm not talking about your " University " degrees , there are pleanty of educated idiots on the planet , the Education of a bodybuilder , and community college doesn't count lol do they even have any really great Universitys in Canada? I'm in Massachusetts and we have among the best schools in the planet !

[NeoSeminole]

talk about twig arms. 

ha ha ha ha, please!!! Dorian has the smallest arm of any Mr. Olympia.

[NarcissisticDeity]

if we go back to the ridiculous claim that Ronnie injects his calves for a moment,

Look at it this way:

if Ronnie was injecting his calves, he would have to have been injecting them since at least BEFORE 1991 (since his calves have always looked smooth from day one).

Now which is more likely:

1. that Ronnie was one of the FIRST pros to inject stuff into his calves and NEVER seemed to do this in ANY other bodypart (for no apparent reason - his quads and triceps could have used this stuff back then no doubt)...

OR

2. he has never injected his calves and they are genetically crappy like Dorian's biceps?

You tell me which is more likely

Dorian's biceps aren't genetically crappy just not highpeaked , they don't lack development , Coleman's calves lack shape , detail , development , seperation

And Flex didn't start his career off injecting anything he did towards the end , I don't think sythol was even around when Ronnie turned Pro

these aren'r genetically crappy just not highpeaked

[Hulkster]

LMFAO I'm not talking about your " University " degrees , there are pleanty of educated idiots on the planet , the Education of a bodybuilder , and community college doesn't count lol do they even have any really great Universitys in Canada? I'm in Massachusetts and we have among the best schools in the planet !

the University of Toronto is world renowned, especially ever since I graduated from there

[NarcissisticDeity]

the University of Toronto is world renowned, especially ever since I graduated from there

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back , they didn't teach you anything about the IFBB judging criteria , you should have paid me for that education 

[Hulkster]

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back , they didn't teach you anything about the IFBB judging criteria , you should have paid me for that education 

they taught me how to use my own two eyes and to think critically and formulate my own opinions based on observations and data.

you simply follow what a bunch of judges say without actually bothering to look and see how accurate their scores might be...

big mistake.

[NarcissisticDeity]

they taught me how to use my own two eyes and to think critically and formulate my own opinions based on observations and data.

you simply follow what a bunch of judges say without actually bothering to look and see how accurate their scores might be...

big mistake.

The funny part is you keep insisting WHILE NEVER ATTENDING A PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDING CONTEST EVER IN YOUR LIFE that you some how know more than the judges who were there in attendence , 10 feet from the atheletes who have been doing this for years and years , this my friend shows your education was a waste of money 

[Hulkster]

The funny part is you keep insisting WHILE NEVER ATTENDING A PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDING CONTEST EVER IN YOUR LIFE that you some how know more than the judges who were there in attendence , 10 feet from the atheletes who have been doing this for years and years , this my friend shows your education was a waste of money 

what total bullshit.

If dorian's legs and arms are smooth on video and in the pics, you don't have to sit in the front row to know that.

videos and pics are far better than the 324th row behind some tall guy.

You don't have to have attended a pro show to know that Dorian would probably lose to the 1999 version of Ronnie

Just because pics and videos cannot show that dorian would win is no excuse to try and discredit the entire argument because someone has not been to a pro contest.

that is just retarded.

and besides, if you claim dorian was so much better in person, then Ronnie would be too.

So Ronnie would STILL win.

[NarcissisticDeity]

what total bullshit.

If dorian's legs and arms are smooth on video and in the pics, you don't have to sit in the front row to know that.

videos and pics are far better than the 324th row behind some tall guy.

You don't have to have attended a pro show to know that Dorian would probably lose to the 1999 version of Ronnie

Just because pics and videos cannot show that dorian would win is no excuse to try and discredit the entire argument because someone has not been to a pro contest.

that is just retarded.

and besides, if you claim dorian was so much better in person, then Ronnie would be too.

So Ronnie would STILL win.

Now you're getting desperate lol Hulkster now this , you will never be able to counter Dorian's domination and the judges who deemed him dominant , Dorian ruled bodybuilding in a way Coleman never did , 17 pro contests , 15 wins , 2 loses , both loses were second places finishes , the man was a winning machine , what makes that more incredible is the sport is so subjective that all the judges deemed him that great , it was no fluke even if you can't grasp it .

[NeoSeminole]

Now you're getting desperate lol Hulkster now this , you will never be able to counter Dorian's domination and the judges who deemed him dominant , Dorian ruled bodybuilding in a way Coleman never did , 17 pro contests , 15 wins , 2 loses , both loses were second places finishes , the man was a winning machine , what makes that more incredible is the sport is so subjective that all the judges deemed him that great , it was no fluke even if you can't grasp it .

Who cares about Dorian's domination? If 20 yrs from now the sport of bodybuilding advances and a guy wins the Mr. Olympia 1 time b/c the competition is so fierce, does that make him inferior to Dorian? No. He might even have a better physique than Ronnie at his prime. Domination means nothing in a discussion about who is the best. It's all relative.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Who cares about Dorian's domination? If 20 yrs from now the sport of bodybuilding advances and a guy wins the Mr. Olympia 1 time b/c the competition is so fierce, does that make him inferior to Dorian? No. He might even have a better physique than Ronnie at his prime. Domination means nothing in a discussion about who is the best. It's all relative.

Yes it is and Dorian faces much stiffer and higher caliber competition than Coleman ever faced and dominated them ALL , this shows clearly that Dorian at his prime wouldn't get walked all over by Ronnie at his , Dorian only lost twice the first time was close to momo when he was just 228lbs and the second wasn't really close but Yates did beat Lee Haney in the muscularity round when Haney was at his best , NO ONE man handed Dorian , and he wasn't even at his best !! Ronnie would have a very hard time with Dorian Yates this isn't debateable .

[Hulkster]

ND, if Dorian was as dominating as the scores indicate, then why are there so many pics of his massive flaws and shot of him getting dominated in many poses by bodybuilders like Paul Dillet, Kevin Levrone,Flex Wheeler, Nasser El Sonbaty,  Shawn Ray and Lee labrada?

that sort of thing did not happen with the 1999 Ronnie.

All you have done is stated his dominance based on numbers

You have yet to justify it using pics and videos.

there is a crucial difference and you are avoiding it.

[NeoSeminole]

Yes it is and Dorian faces much stiffer and higher caliber competition than Coleman ever faced and dominated them ALL , this shows clearly that Dorian at his prime wouldn't get walked all over by Ronnie at his , Dorian only lost twice the first time was close to momo when he was just 228lbs and the second wasn't really close but Yates did beat Lee Haney in the muscularity round when Haney was at his best , NO ONE man handed Dorian , and he wasn't even at his best !! Ronnie would have a very hard time with Dorian Yates this isn't debateable.

After viewing many pics and listening to both sides' arguments, I agree that 99 Ronnie wouldn't destroy 93 Dorian. Both men were comparable in size. It would come down to conditioning vs. detail + shape. However, I still believe nobody comes close to Ronnie in 03. Dorian at his heaviest weighed 20 lbs less and looked like shit.

[pumpster]

Who cares about Dorian's domination? If 20 yrs from now the sport of bodybuilding advances and a guy wins the Mr. Olympia 1 time b/c the competition is so fierce, does that make him inferior to Dorian? No. He might even have a better physique than Ronnie at his prime. Domination means nothing in a discussion about who is the best. It's all relative.

It's called paper domination..

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, if Dorian was as dominating as the scores indicate, then why are there so many pics of his massive flaws and shot of him getting dominated in many poses by bodybuilders like Paul Dillet, Kevin Levrone,Flex Wheeler, Nasser El Sonbaty,  Shawn Ray and Lee labrada?

that sort of thing did not happen with the 1999 Ronnie.

All you have done is stated his dominance based on numbers

You have yet to justify it using pics and videos.

there is a crucial difference and you are avoiding it.

Hulkster listen to me carefully , no bodybuilder is flawless , you see what you want to see in pictures of Dorian compared to others and the judges contradict your opinion and their numbers are based on their assesment of Dorian Yates compared to his contemporaries in the four rounds of bodybuilding competition , the muscularity round , the symmetry round and the two posing rounds

You posted a picture of Dorian from 1995 vs Shawn Ray in the back double bicep pose and then go on to claim how he's getting his ass kicked by Shawn , despite being 50lbs lighter , despite not coming even close to Dorian in terms of muscle density , width and thicknes , but you come to the conclsuion he's getting owned , your ability to accurately & objectively asses Dorian vs his contemporaries is severly lacking

you keep bitching about the scores , and how they mean nothing NO they mean everything , they are the end result of a cumulitive process in which through direct comparisons a winner is chosen , and you don't get it because you're to biased to look past your own preferrences .

[suckmymuscle]

they taught me how to use my own two eyes and to think critically and formulate my own opinions based on observations and data.

  Interesting. And yet, you simply ignore the data that, when your boy and Dorian were matched against each other in call-outs, Dorian defeated him both in muscularity&symmetry. You ignore the data that even a 285 lbs Nasser couldn't malke a dent in Dorian's shield, not even in the front mandatories, where he actually surpassed Dorian in width. You ignore the data that Dorian was able to hold his own in the relaxed round, the front lat spread and the abs-and-thighs mandatories agains the likes of Ray and Wheeler, even though these two had smaller waists and even better abdominals definition than Dorian. You ignore the fact that Dorian's side chest&triceps shot were classics from a symmetrical perspective, and that he had more muscularity than the 1999 Ronnie at them. So much for "formulating your opinions based on data".

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

and despite what the poor blind man Sucky says, it is complete with intercostals and serratus..

  In the abs-and-thighs shot, Ronnie would lose because his taper in this particular shot is actually worse than Dorian's, and his abdominals and serratus separations are inferior. It doesen't matter that Ronnie has acceptable separations at this shot: all that matters is that they're not as good as Dorian's. As for quadriceps, the 1999 Ronnie would have no muscularity advantage, althyough quads might be alittle more cut. Regardless, Dorian's better taper and separations, alone, would give him a massive advantage on this mandatory.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

Is this supposed to be impressive? He's dry, along with bloated, muscular obliques, small arms and an orange tan. 

[IceCold]

Is this supposed to be impressive? He's dry, along with bloated, muscular obliques, small arms and an orange tan. 

he's not dry, along with bloated muscular obliques, a gut, small arms, and no orange tan.

[IceCold]

ND, if Dorian was as dominating as the scores indicate, then why are there so many pics of his massive flaws and shot of him getting dominated in many poses by bodybuilders like Paul Dillet, Kevin Levrone,Flex Wheeler, Nasser El Sonbaty,  Shawn Ray and Lee labrada?

that sort of thing did not happen with the 1999 Ronnie.

All you have done is stated his dominance based on numbers

You have yet to justify it using pics and videos.

there is a crucial difference and you are avoiding it.

you finally figured it out.

the fact that dorian got the scores he did and YOU say that he was being dominated by other bbers just isnt true.

my point was that the numbers/scores prove you wrong.

its YOUR opinion that dorian was being dominated by other bbers, but in reality that just isnt true.

the numbers indicated the exact opposite. 

you see one thing and i see another.

besides, most of the pictures you post of dorian 'being dominated' he isnt even really flexing. 

also, do you have any mr. olympias on tape?

where are you basing your opinions?  there really isnt much of dorian on youtube, and as i've stated earlier, he looks much better on a tape - as do the other bbers from the clips of dorian on the internet. 

let's see how ronnie looked compared to kevin, shawn, nasser, paul, etc. IN THEIR PRIME.

oh yeah, he lost and never did well against them - again, unlike dorian. 

ronnie beat all washed up versions of those guys, unlike dorian he beat them at their all time best.

big difference. 

[IceCold]

You don't have to have attended a pro show to know that Dorian would probably lose to the 1999 version of Ronnie

at least you've gained some sense during this thread.

before, you thought ronnie (whatever year you happened to pic) would domiante dorian, but now it's probably.

whereas i think dorian would probably beat ronnie of 99.

[suckmymuscle]

Is this supposed to be impressive? He's dry, along with bloated, muscular obliques, small arms and an orange tan. 

  Ok, what about this one? Compare it to Ronnie's thick waist and terrible abdominal separations...

SUCKMYMUSCLE