Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

bwahahaha, stop making excuses son. Sergio Oliva won the Mr. Olympia BEFORE Arnold and had bigger legs. Just b/c big legs were less common back then does not make it acceptable to have mediocre legs. It would be like me saying a flat midsection is not important nowadays b/c many top bodybuilders don't have them.

No excuses just the facts and Sergio had big quads no doubt but they were never as detailed or seperated as Arnolds this my friend is a fact and again Sergio was the exception NOT thr rule.

[NarcissisticDeity]

not really.

ronnie is not the picture of balance and proportion.

his 4 pack and calves throw it off.

mike francois was very balanced and proportion, but had that "blocky white guy look".

haney was pretty, but his legs and arms were too small.

nasser was very balanced and proportioned, yet was known for having an ugly freaky physique. 

Ha ha ha ha Hulkster got owned lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Arguably THE ugliest tri shot ever:

owned

[jwb]

Yates was ten times the technical poser that ronnie is now...

[NarcissisticDeity]

This is just a ridiculous pose for Yates I'm sorry Ronnie can't match this shot head to toe any year period.

[jwb]

This is just a ridiculous pose for Yates I'm sorry Ronnie can't match this shot head to toe any year period.

I second that one... ronnie performs this pose very poorly

[NarcissisticDeity]

I second that one... ronnie performs this pose very poorly

He really did never master the art of physique presentation , you're 100% right.

[jwb]

From 1993-1995 yates was a very good poser...

technically one of the best around. Every pose he did had generally 3 definite phases to it which built up to the final pose itself.

His lat spreads were awesome the way he did them... the rear one had 4 phases to it

[pumpster]

Funny how guys like Yates have to be better posers, to make up for and hide the deficiencies. Thus you don't see much in the way of double biceps and are instead left with this:

[Debussey]

Sniff. Sniff. Debussey smell shit.

[pumpster]

ND calm down on the Arnold stuff. This might help-post em in your bedroom..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Funny how guys like Yates have to be better posers, to make up for and hide the deficiencies. Thus you don't see much in the way of double biceps and are instead left with this:

lol you could look like this lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND calm down on the Arnold stuff. This might help-post em in your bedroom..

Arnold owns you like he owned Sergio !

[pumpster]

Posing can only plug so many holes..

[nicorulez]

Mr. diplomat here, having completely changed his initial assessment in the process.

Pumpster, yes I am trying to be diplomatic, because I don't believe completely discrediting ND is the right way.  I agree with you.  Ronnie at his best was unbeatable.  However, even you admit that Yates in 1993 was very good.  Although I feel that Ronnie would win, I don't believe in a million years that he would win easily.  Judges obviously hold some biases (look at Gutler and winning this year); thus, it is not out of the realm of possibility that Yates could prevail.  Obviously, I would feel it is BS, but that is the sport.  Unfortunately, there is no sprint or one on one battle with objective pointed goals.  It is up to a varied judging panel to make the choice.  Maybe some 180 pound former pro is going to hold it against Ronnie that he shows up at over 285 pounds and is taking the sport in what he perceives is the wrong direction.  Thus, yates could win.  Moreover, he looks damn good in some of the poses, but Ronnie smokes him in the majority IMO.  Regardless, we all enjoy the debate, but I feel we should discuss this thread intelligently and with reason.  ND feels he is as right on the matter as do you.  Are either of you really wrong?

[pobrecito]

pumpster, quit posting the same fucking pictures over and over again. It does nothing but make you look like a fool.

Nico - well put.

[pumpster]

Let me know which ones - i'll post each, to make your job easier.

It took this tool 450 pages to notice..hahaahahahaahaha hahahaah

[NarcissisticDeity]

pumpster, quit posting the same fucking pictures over and over again. It does nothing but make you look like a fool.

Nico - well put.

I'm affraid thats all pumpy has to offer. 

[carvedoutofwood]

Are either of you really wrong?

yes... ND is wrong.... ronnie wins

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes... ND is wrong.... ronnie wins

Ha ! purely from a mathematical standpoint I'm right , Dorian entered 17 IFBB professional contests and won 15 of them and his only two loses were both second places that my friend means he has a win/loss percentage rate of 88% compare that to Ronnie's whos rate is just 40% the odds are heavily in Dorian's favor kid , at his first Mr Olympia contest ever he placed 2nd to Lee Haney who was at his greatest overall form for a Mr Olympia contest and in the process Yates beat Haney in the muscularity contest weight just 239lbs to Lee's 250lbs , no one and I mean no one had an easy time with Yates and he at the time of his two losses was 228lbs to momo and 239lbs to Haney wasn't anywhere near his best overall shape a extremely dry and dense , balanced 257lbs , if you think Ronnie would have an easy time with Yates , you my friend don't know bodybuilding history !! but thats okay thats what I'm here for ..to explain it to you the ignorant , hell I've been teaching Hulkster , pumpster and Neoseminole for the past 400+ pages and its been all my pleasure. 

[NeoSeminole]

sure

[NarcissisticDeity]

sure

Its this easy 88% vs 40% 

[LyricTenor]

sure

aww

[nicorulez]

yes... ND is wrong.... ronnie wins

This is what disturbs me.  To give your opinion as an opinion is fine.  However, you and Pumpster act like they are fact.  For one, BB is not judged that way.  It is a subjective sport more than objective.  The point totals can change day to day.  The judges may prefer the swimmer physique one week and the massive Ruhl-like being the next.  Thus, although I concur that Ronnie at his best was near unbeatable; I have a very hard time dismissing ND.  He makes very valid and pertinent points.  Percentage wise, Dorian is even superior to Haney, although I feel that Haney was superior in all years but maybe 1993.  Moreover, Ronnie lost this year; that is a major discredit to his quest to be the best of all-time.  I agree that at his all-time peak, Ronnie may have been the most muscular bb ever.  However, Yates was and is a winner.  Although I feel that Ronnie would prevail, I feel it is foolish to so easily dismiss one of the greatest champs of all-time.  Dorian never faced someone like Ronnie (at his prime); but Ronnie at his peak never faced off against 1993/1995 Dorian either.  Thus, my point is who is really wrong?  I don't see as clear cut a victory as you all think it would be.  I would love to be in the front row of that contest, as it would be truly epic in proportions.  Regardless, both ND and Pumpster should give due credit to both of the bodybuilders they continue to bash in this thread.  I feel that both of them sometimes have a blind eye, and do not see the obvious.  Both bodybuilders at there peaks were truly amazing.  Neither would slaughter the other.

[carvedoutofwood]

This is what disturbs me.  To give your opinion as an opinion is fine.  However, you and Pumpster act like they are fact.  For one, BB is not judged that way.  It is a subjective sport more than objective.  The point totals can change day to day.  The judges may prefer the swimmer physique one week and the massive Ruhl-like being the next.  Thus, although I concur that Ronnie at his best was near unbeatable; I have a very hard time dismissing ND.  He makes very valid and pertinent points.  Percentage wise, Dorian is even superior to Haney, although I feel that Haney was superior in all years but maybe 1993.  Moreover, Ronnie lost this year; that is a major discredit to his quest to be the best of all-time.  I agree that at his all-time peak, Ronnie may have been the most muscular bb ever.  However, Yates was and is a winner.  Although I feel that Ronnie would prevail, I feel it is foolish to so easily dismiss one of the greatest champs of all-time.  Dorian never faced someone like Ronnie (at his prime); but Ronnie at his peak never faced off against 1993/1995 Dorian either.  Thus, my point is who is really wrong?  I don't see as clear cut a victory as you all think it would be.  I would love to be in the front row of that contest, as it would be truly epic in proportions.  Regardless, both ND and Pumpster should give due credit to both of the bodybuilders they continue to bash in this thread.  I feel that both of them sometimes have a blind eye, and do not see the obvious.  Both bodybuilders at there peaks were truly amazing.  Neither would slaughter the other.

the way i see it is... i can picture both guys in their prime in my head, and although dorian does hold his own in some mandatory poses ronnie crushes him in the rest, plus the sim. round is totally dominated by ronnie esp. from the front and back... ND continues to talk about weight, weight means nothing wen ur torso is so wide, its like all the muscle that doran lacked in his arms and quads got stuffed inside his torso somewher