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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11975 on: November 05, 2006, 05:00:50 PM »
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« Reply #11976 on: November 05, 2006, 05:02:07 PM »
after this afternoons pics, I think ND is definately being dishonest with himself.

I mean look at this BACK!!!

it is incredible!
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11977 on: November 05, 2006, 05:03:39 PM »
It can be argued that Ronnie wasnt exactly at his best in the "dorian era". Or that it holds little meaning when a bodybuilder is given the upper hand over another in the IFBB, when comparing physiques. After all, this is the same judging panel that allowed an armless Dorian to win the olympia ;D

I only go by what I see though. My argument above wasnt meant to be an argument in favour of Ronnie; rather it was to discredit your way of comparing the two physiques.

Your eyes apparently tell you a different story- that is something I cannot and will not argue against... Unless you are being dishonest with us... or with yourself.

It can be argued that Dorian wasn't exactly at his best when he faced Ronnie but despite that he still beat Ronnie with ease !! nine times. Dorian beat Ronnie while he had a torn bicep , tricep , quad and a bloated gut ( 1997 ) and Ronnie was injury free and couldn't even make a dent on Dorian shows just how good Yates was .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11978 on: November 05, 2006, 05:06:14 PM »
after this afternoons pics, I think ND is definately being dishonest with himself.

I mean look at this BACK!!!

it is incredible!

Yes Ronnie does have an incredible back no questions about it , but Yates has him beat , Ronnie compared very well with Dorian from midback up and what seperates Dorian from Ronnie is the lower back this is a clear advantage for Yates and all the pics you posted have been posted before , with the exception of those large comparisions which Yates is hammering Ronnie in the side chest , side triceps , ab-thigh , etc , like I've said all along.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11979 on: November 05, 2006, 05:09:28 PM »
hahaha greatest back of all time
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11980 on: November 05, 2006, 05:11:51 PM »
Yes Ronnie does have an incredible back no questions about it , but Yates has him beat , Ronnie compared very well with Dorian from midback up and what seperates Dorian from Ronnie is the lower back this is a clear advantage for Yates and all the pics you posted have been posted before , with the exception of those large comparisions which Yates is hammering Ronnie in the side chest , side triceps , ab-thigh , etc , like I've said all along.

no, some of these back shots have never been posted on getbig before, at least as far as I know.

that 99 shot is from the prejudging.

Dorian's has never been as good as that.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11981 on: November 05, 2006, 05:14:57 PM »
no, some of these back shots have never been posted on getbig before, at least as far as I know.

that 99 shot is from the prejudging.

Dorian's has never been as good as that.

Sure it has !! Ronnie's lats don't insert this low and his lower back isn't the great !

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11982 on: November 05, 2006, 05:15:24 PM »
This pic says it all-average size, definition virtually absent in key areas:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11983 on: November 05, 2006, 05:18:04 PM »
What year is that side triceps of Ronnie? 03?

yes.  its 03 compared to 95 I think.

neither one's overall best shape, but close.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11984 on: November 05, 2006, 05:18:11 PM »
This pic says it all-average size, definition virtually absent in key areas:

he's guest posing , and since when is avearge size 300lbs? and he;s guest posing offseason and he still had visable abdominals & x-mass tree.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11985 on: November 05, 2006, 05:18:55 PM »
yes.  its 03 compared to 95 I think.

neither one's overall best shape, but close.

Man Ronnie at 287lbs is getting destroyed in that shot , no questions about it .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11986 on: November 05, 2006, 05:20:25 PM »
I think the best side tri I have seen of Ronnie is either 98 or 99 when his arms were at their most freaky.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11987 on: November 05, 2006, 05:22:39 PM »
as good as Ronnie's arms were in 03, no one (even priest) had freakier arms than Ronnie 99:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11988 on: November 05, 2006, 05:24:34 PM »
I think the best side tri I have seen of Ronnie is either 98 or 99 when his arms were at their most freaky.

2003 his arms are thier most freaky !

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11989 on: November 05, 2006, 05:27:19 PM »
as good as Ronnie's arms were in 03, no one (even priest) had freakier arms than Ronnie 99:



Preist has Ronnie covered in triceps and forearms , Ronnie can't hang with Lee in this area !~

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11990 on: November 05, 2006, 05:34:02 PM »

LOL
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11991 on: November 05, 2006, 05:37:50 PM »
2003 his arms are thier most freaky !

bigger is not necessarily better:



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11992 on: November 05, 2006, 05:39:16 PM »
bigger is not necessarily better:



 :)

You're just realizing this? lol thats exactly why its not a forgone conclusion 2003 Ronnie could beat Yates at his best.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11993 on: November 05, 2006, 05:40:40 PM »
Preist has Ronnie covered in triceps and forearms , Ronnie can't hang with Lee in this area !~

not so fast


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11994 on: November 05, 2006, 05:42:27 PM »
not so fast




The picture you chose only highlights a higher peaked bicep NOT better forearms and triceps.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11995 on: November 05, 2006, 05:43:05 PM »
You're just realizing this? lol thats exactly why its not a forgone conclusion 2003 Ronnie could beat Yates at his best.

In case you have not noticed in the last 485 pages, I have never really felt that Ronnie's 285 pound look was his best.

His 99 look has the most of the detail of 98 with added fullness.

it creates an amazing look



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11996 on: November 05, 2006, 05:50:47 PM »
In case you have not noticed in the last 485 pages, I have never really felt that Ronnie's 285 pound look was his best.

His 99 look has the most of the detail of 98 with added fullness.

it creates an amazing look





I agree 99 he looks his best despite not being as dry , 2001 ASC he was dry as hell but he looked lean compared to 99 !

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« Reply #11997 on: November 05, 2006, 06:39:16 PM »
I have to say that ND's most recent post above was excellent and well written!!  To me, however, Dorian's higher waist-to-shoulder ratio really give Ronnie the edge to me.  Coupled with Ronnie's superior muscularity.
The same intensity which made Dorian also broke him.  Same for Ronnie, albeit to a lesser degree and over a longer period of time.

  Here's where you're mistaken and get owned. Ronnie does have a better shoulder-to-waist ration than Dorian, but how would this affect the judging? Only when they're both standing relzed from the front. In all other ways, Dorian actually has better taper than Ronnie. Start the mandatories, and Dorian has a better taper in the abs-and-thigh, the front lat spread, the side triceps and the side chest - because there is such as thing as bad taper from the sides: it's called gut distension.

  In the relaxed round, Ronnie wins in taper from the front and ties from the back, but loses from the sides. All things considered, Dorian's overrall taper is a sgood as Ronnie's: the waist of both is about the same all-around. So, Dorian has equivalent overrall taper and better taper in more mandatories. Game over. ;)

  Ronnie does have greater muscularity than Dorian in his 2003 version, but this does not mean that he would be able to defeat Dorian. Consider that a gut distension is the worst possible symmetrical liability - because it can be seen from the sides and from the front and the midsection is the center of the body - and Ronnie has it. There goes 50% of the judging scores to Dorian. Ronnie win sin overrall muscularity, but Dorian still holds his own in the side triceps, abs-and-thighs, front lat spread and back double biceps - because, although thicker than Dorian, Ronnie's back in 2003 didn't have the separations and hardness of Dorian's and looked soft. Add to that Ronnie's huge glutes and lack of calves ruins these two mandatories from a symmetrty perspective, and Dorian wins the back double biceps - and the biceps are not very important here, since most of their mass is only visible from the front. The rear lat spread cdould go either way: equivalent lat width, but Ronnie has better taper. Dorian, conversely, has the symmetrical advantages of smller glutes.  Add to that Dorian overrall conditioning was better and made Ronnie's muscles look soft, Dorian could definitely defeat the 2003 Coleman at an unbiased contest. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11998 on: November 05, 2006, 06:56:09 PM »
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Consider that a gut distension is the worst possible symmetrical liability - because it can be seen from the sides and from the front and the midsection is the center of the body - and Ronnie has it.

anyone see the irony of this statement, coming from sucky:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11999 on: November 05, 2006, 06:59:25 PM »


the 2003 Ronnie is still by far good enough to take yates.

Ronnie is that much better in my opinion, 99 or 03.

Look at the pics, not the words.
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