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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12675 on: November 09, 2006, 07:35:30 AM »
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What a disgrace to the Sandow trophy
Yates set the standard, with the truckdriver look..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12676 on: November 09, 2006, 09:25:55 AM »
no, you can't get past a torn bicep either.

this contest is supposed to be about the best built man on earth.

someone please explain to me how you can have the BEST built MAN with disformed muscles/female glands ???

the judges seem to get so caught up with conditioning and size that they forget the fundamentals.

the same judges are given to much power year in and year out... theyre killing the sport

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12677 on: November 09, 2006, 11:58:43 AM »
Guys,

It is one thing to debate this topic as long as you remain consistent within your own criteria!

For example, how can ND proclaim Frank Zane is one of the best bodybuilders ever and talk about how bad guts are in bodybuilding, then praise Dorian "the waist" Yates and say he is so amazing?  ???  He says Ronnie's calves are such a huge flaw but is ok with Dorian missing an arm.  I don't get it.  Give me this - at least my opinions are consistent with my other opinions!!  Whether you disagree with what I have to say is another issue.

I'm very consistant with my opinion , I've always maintained that Dorian would beat Ronnie based on , conditioning , density , balance & proportion and looking better in most of the mandatory poses , how is that inconsistant? and Frank Zane is one of the best bodybuilders ever , what does that have to do with Dorian beating Ronnie? nothing I do think guts should be an automatic failure I've always been consistant with that opinion what does that have to do with Dorian at his best? he didn't have a gut in 1992/93/95/96 he had slight destension in 94 and more than slight in 1997 and that is among one of the reasons he should have lost in 1997

So take away Yates Olympia wins in 94/97 I could care less but while you're at it take away Ronnie's in 1998/1999/2000/2001/2002/2003/2004/2005 because he had visable distension in 98 although slight and it got worse progessively and Ronnie Coleman has the worse gut of ANY Mr Olympia winner by far without question , so unlike you I'm not hypocritical

I do prefer aesthetic physiques but that has NOTHING to do with my opinion concerning Ronnie vs Dorian , Dorian is clearly the better bodybuilder of the two according to the IFBB judging criteria , while I'm not a huge fan of his phsyique that has nothing to do with facts , I'm a huge Flex Wheeler fan and I honestly thought he would beat Dorian , I was routing for him before the 1993 Mr Olympia and when he lost I didn't bitch because I am objective , he was slightly off from his earlier showings and suffered for it and Yates was on , and I'm consistant ( recognize ) in my opinion that while I'm a huge Flex Wheeler fan I didn't bitch when he lost to Ronnie Coleman in 1998 , I can see objectively he got caught slipping and paid the price

And you're mellowdramatic when you say Yates only had one arm , give me a break  ::) his bicep post tear was shorter than the other and thats it , but you'll say its quite okay for Ronnie to have two high calves his entire career that lack development , size , shape and detail , typical hypocritical Coleman fan  ::) and you have balls again bitching about dorian's waist and think 03 is Ronnie's best showing , he's fucking pregnant for gods sake lol I don't think Ronnie should have ever been Mr Olympia for the simple fact his calves are so pathetic , so spare the inconsistant nonsense because I've always maintained the same thing , that Yates at his best would beat Ronnie at his.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12678 on: November 09, 2006, 12:19:03 PM »
Personally, I even think dorian's CALVES are a bit overrated.

why could I say such a thing you ask?

because they never had this kind of amazing diamamond shape, like those found on say, Jay Cutler.

I don't fall for hype. I fall for facts and evidence. Dorian's calves were not as razor sharp looking as they should be for the "greatest calves of all time"

Like most of dorian's bodyparts, they were huge but lacked great, razor sharp diamond shape, that is desirable on calves::





Just when you typed the dumbest thing you possibly can by saying Ronnie has better detail in his calves than Yates you top yourself in stupidty by now typing Yates calves are overrated ! man you should really , really reread what you type before hitting the post button , his calves are now overrated? are the the most  overrated calves of all time? and why are you posting on this thread again Mr Meltdown? I thought you were done , hell I thought we were done with your idiotic posts and you come back stronger than ever with this gem

Dorian's lack NOTHING nothing at all , he has the highly desirable diamond shape , seperation , detail , density , size , proportion they absolutely lack nothing and are among the best seen on an Olympia stage , you made a VERY rookie-move by basing your lame-ass opinion on one shot taken far away , you constantly try to knock Dorian at every turn and have made a pathetic leap into absurdity by attacking his strenghts lol I'm going to school you on what great calves look like , his calves in my opinion are better than Cutlers and I'm going to post some pictures , please pay attention to his calves and then apologize to the whole board for being an ignorant jackass and please do us a favor , stop posting like you said , because whats the sense when this nonsense is the result?

I mean seriously just look at these world class calves !

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12679 on: November 09, 2006, 12:21:49 PM »
World class

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12680 on: November 09, 2006, 12:29:48 PM »
No one comes close

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12681 on: November 09, 2006, 12:52:19 PM »
Considering there are only 2 side poses in the mandatories and 1 side pose in the symmetry round, I'd say Ronnie has Dorian beat in taper. Ronnie has a narrower waist and the same lat width. So his superior taper is evident in all front and back poses.

  Wrong. In the relaxed round, a bodybuilder is evaluated from all angles, to measure overrall muscularity and symmetry. My contention is that Dorian only loses to Ronnie from the front. They turn to the sides, and Ronnie's distended gut makes him lose flat out. He turns to that back and his taper is equivalent to Dorian's.

  So my argument is that Dorian actually had better taper from the sides while standing relaxed, and better overrall taper, because his gut distension adds so much to his total waist size. You just get a tape and then measure their waistlines and you'll see that Dorian actually had less total waist than the 2003 Ronnie. Why? Because his gut was distended, and that adds size to the waist. Try to understand this: Ronnie only had better taper than Dorian from one angle in one pose. ;) That's when he's standing relaxed from the front.

  In total, Dorian had better taper: standing relaxed from the sides, in the side triceps, side chest, abs-and-thigh, front lat spread. That's one out of three angles while standing relxed and four mandatories! ;) Your mistake is in assuming that Dorian would lose in taper from the front in the mandatories. Wrong! He'd win the in taper in the three front mandatories, including the front double biceps, because taper here is a function of the lats and not the delts. Your second mistake is saying that Dorian would "only" win from one angle in the relaxed round. There are only three! ;) That's front, side and back, and Dorian wins from the sides and ties from the back! This means that Ronnie had worst overrall taper than Dorian in the relaxed round. He only wins one out of three angles where taper is evaluated, loses one and ties one. ;) Get the taper measurer and you'll see that Dorian's total waist was smaller than Ronnie's.

  In conclusion: Dorian has better overrall taper than the 2003 Ronnie because the distended gut makes Coleman's total waist bigger. This, combined with Dorian's less symmetrical flaws, makes him win the relaxed round symmetry-wise. Ronnie wins in overrall muscularity. So the relaxed round could go either way. Regardless, Dorian has a better combination of muscularity and symmetry in four of the mandatories and ties one - the side chest, where Ronnie has bigger pecs and vastus lateralis, but no calves and his gut distension is visible in the upper part where the gut is not covered by the hands. What's left? Conditioning. Now the 1998/9 Ronnie had more separations overrall than Dorian, but this is not the case for the 2003 Ronnie. Add to that Dorian's hardness makes Ronnie look soft, and it's obvious to see who would be the most conditioned man.

  Check out the bottom pics and you'll see that Dorian had better taper than Ronnie overrall while standing relaxed and added to his muscularity in certain poses, would make him win four or five of the mandatories. NeoSeminole, I have owned yet again, and will continue to do so en absurdum. The only question here is if you'll be able to surpass Pumpster for the record of who got owned more times in this thread by me. ;)

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P.s: Check the first pic, where Dorian is doing a side triceps shot. That's called a flat stomach, NeoSemen! ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12682 on: November 09, 2006, 12:53:35 PM »
Numero Uno


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12683 on: November 09, 2006, 12:56:01 PM »
Numero Shitto.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12684 on: November 09, 2006, 12:56:34 PM »
Sucky, thoroughly humilated by neo.

  Oh, please...I have owned NeoSemen, you and Pumpster so many times at this thread that all of you have a big "SMM" tattoed on your asses. ;D The only reason why I haven't owned you more times still is because you post so little that I don't get the opportunity. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12685 on: November 09, 2006, 01:03:40 PM »
Yes suckmymuscle, your opinions are pretty consistent, but what about those of ND?  ???

Dorian loses in my opinion because of waist and his injuries which mounted more towards the end of his career.  But in 1993 when he was at his best he was still an inch shorter and 30 pounds lighter than Ronnie.

  Wtf?! I just wrote a dozen paragraphs explaining to why, at an ubiased contest, odds are that Dorian would defeat the 2003 Coleman despite the weight advantage and what do you do? You re-post the same argument again! Are you retarded? :-\

  As for the waist, I hgave already explained to you that it is irrelevant, since what matters is taper, and Dorian actually has better taper than Ronnie from most angles while contracting different muscles.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12686 on: November 09, 2006, 01:04:39 PM »
Numero Shitto.





lol! That's funny as. I don't agree but man that was funny.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12687 on: November 09, 2006, 01:07:11 PM »
I fucking love this video of Ronnie Coleman.



Pwned. LOL


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12688 on: November 09, 2006, 01:08:33 PM »
Ooooooo, what "utter domination." ::)



  This pic only highlights how tiny Ronnie's calves are in relation to his huge hams, and how large glutes are a symmetrical liability, because bodybuilding is about enhancing the male form, and large glutes are unmanly. It also shows that Ronnie had no advantage in lat width over Dorian depsite being 30 lbs heavier. The onl thing Ronnie has on Dorian there are calves, but Dorian's are equally as striated. The only "utter domination" here is mine over you. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12689 on: November 09, 2006, 01:14:54 PM »
Great lat spread at 02:06.



Hulkster pwned again. LOL

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12690 on: November 09, 2006, 01:15:57 PM »
Ronnie absolutely destroys him there.  ND, you keep on claiming that Dorian is dense.  Define density for me.  I have totally disproven Sucky.

  Oh, but you most definitely have not! There isn't one thiing you said that disproves my claim that density can be merely a visual and not physical property. You're seriously deluded if you think you have disproven me! Than you post saying that water is desner than ice, as if that disproved me! In reality, the fact that I switched the water and ice in the analogy as far as which becomes denser doesen't mean anything, because it doesen't change my claim, which is correct: the water changes in density as it goes from liquid to solid. Wow, lets's see, I want you to empirically demonstrate to me that Dorian's muscles weighted more than Ronnie's for a given size. Let's play! Let's see you pull that off!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12691 on: November 09, 2006, 01:32:58 PM »
Camp Coleman has been fucking silenced. It's plainly evident that Yates trounces Coleman 8)


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12692 on: November 09, 2006, 01:54:55 PM »
That is the worst comparison I've seen in my life. You enlarged Ronnie 3x.



Waaaa Waaaa, you f*cking cry baby. I didn't enlarge Ronnie. They are the same height in the pic. Notice how the top of their heads, ears, shoulders, hips, and knees all line up? Ronnie is also 1 inch taller than Dorian in real life. So Ronnie should actually be taller in the pic, but I made them the same height to further reduce any bias.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12693 on: November 09, 2006, 01:57:29 PM »
Here is the REAL comparison

Yates easily trounces Coleman 8)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12694 on: November 09, 2006, 02:01:49 PM »
This pic only highlights how tiny Ronnie's calves are in relation to his huge hams, and how large glutes are a symmetrical liability, because bodybuilding is about enhancing the male form, and large glutes are unmanly. It also shows that Ronnie had no advantage in lat width over Dorian depsite being 30 lbs heavier. The only thing Ronnie has on Dorian there are calves, but Dorian's are equally as striated. The only "utter domination" here is mine over you.

It also highlights Dorian's twig arms from the back and shows just how much smaller he was than 03 Ronnie. Dorian looks like an amateur next to him. I don't know why you say Ronnie has no advantage in lat width. He looks wider to me, albeit by a slight margin.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12695 on: November 09, 2006, 02:03:58 PM »
It also highlights Dorian's twig arms from the back and shows just how much smaller he was than 03 Ronnie. Dorian looks like an amateur next to him.

NeoSemen,

as I have already proven, Ronnie was fat and had BULGING obliques in 2003. Dorian would have made him look like he was in offseason shape doing a guestposing. Again, decimation by Yates

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12696 on: November 09, 2006, 02:05:25 PM »
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the judges seem to get so caught up with conditioning and size that they forget the fundamentals.

yeah, just ask dorian.

all size, not much refinement or detail, esp. compared to 99 Ronnie:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12697 on: November 09, 2006, 02:10:03 PM »


Waaaa Waaaa, you f*cking cry baby. I didn't enlarge Ronnie. They are the same height in the pic. Notice how the top of their heads, ears, shoulders, hips, and knees all line up? Ronnie is also 1 inch taller than Dorian in real life. So Ronnie should actually be taller in the pic, but I made them the same height to further reduce any bias.

They are NOT the same height not by a longshot , Ronnie is standing with his legs apart and you still have him taller than Dorian , old news you ' scale ' the pics in Ronnie's favor and he may have made a 5'9" (if that ) Jay look small but he's NOT going to make Dorian Yates look small I don't care if he's 30lbs heavier , mos of that weight is in his gut and quads

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12698 on: November 09, 2006, 02:11:11 PM »


Hulkster pwned again. LOL
coming from another guy who over values calves due to his 45% bodyfat

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12699 on: November 09, 2006, 02:14:26 PM »
Sir NeoSeminole,

as I have already proven, Ronnie was fat and had BULGING obliques in 2003. Dorian would have made him look like he was in offseason shape doing a guestposing. Again, decimation by Yates

suuuurrrreee. Here's Dorian supposedly making Ronnie look offseason. ::)