Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

Ummm Nasser is closer to the camera and Yates is tilted more to one side.

I was comparing Nasser to the pic Suckmyasshole posted of Dorian.

[Iceman1981]

Ronnie compares very well with Dorian until the lower back and lower lats this is one area where Yates is clearly better , how can Ronnie have a better back is he's deficient in this area?

Mostly true but with Coleman's superior upper back and lower insertion lats, how can Yates compare with that? I give both guys equall width in rear lat spread.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Mostly true but with Coleman's superior upper back and lower insertion lats, how can Yates compare with that? I give both guys equall width in rear lat spread.

Dorian's lats insert lower I think thats pretty obvious and Coleman doesn't have a superior upper back , part of the upper back is the traps and this is one area I think its obvious Yates is clearly thicker and denser than Ronnie , lat width would be a push , same with sweep and same with development and detail in the teres and infraspinatus.

[Hulkster]

I'm sorry, but I don't like the shape of his traps. They look like 2 penises rubbing each other.

thats why ND likes them so much.

[Iceman1981]

Dorian's lats insert lower I think thats pretty obvious and Coleman doesn't have a superior upper back , part of the upper back is the traps and this is one area I think its obvious Yates is clearly thicker and denser than Ronnie , lat width would be a push , same with sweep and same with development and detail in the teres and infraspinatus.

Hey ND, I have to go. I'll see you guys tomorrow. ND, in your avatar. how do you get the avatar to move. It's from a video clip. How can I get one like that but of a different bodybuilder? PM if you know, thanks.

[Hulkster]

In my opinion Yates was dryer in the lower back, abs, tricep and calves. Everywhere else I believe Coleman is dryer such as the upper back, quads, traps, delts, biceps, forearms, hams, glutes, chest.

I agree exept on the triceps.

Ronnie's were striated and had MUCH more definition when viewed from the front in a front bi shot:


how the triceps look from the FRONT in a bi shot is something that most people forget to look at:

[Hulkster]

How can you say that? I think both guys have equally the same width from behind. Coleman lats look a lot lower to me than Yates. Yates has better lower back, but Coleman to me has better upper back detail and bigger traps and his delts look better. Even though you are using a black and white photo to a colored one.

using black and white shots of yates to Ronnie's colour ones is one of ND's main strategies

black and white makes everyone look way better.

[pobrecito]

using black and white shots of yates to Ronnie's colour ones is one of ND's main strategies

black and white makes everyone look way better.

actually, black and white does very little for black bodybuilders becuase they already have a great deal of contrast with their skin color and the background/lighting. This is why Yates looks so much better w/ B+W whereas Ronnie's increase is minimal with it. Hell, in most cases, Ronnie looks better in color IMO.

This comparison is in color, and I think Yates wins. Check the rear delts.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I agree exept on the triceps.

Ronnie's were striated and had MUCH more definition when viewed from the front in a front bi shot:


how the triceps look from the FRONT in a bi shot is something that most people forget to look at:

Use a better pic 

[pobrecito]

Color vs. B+W.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Color vs. B+W.

He looks great in both !

[Hulkster]

Color vs. B+W.

no surprise the b +W shot looks much better.

it just highlights the contrast and makes all the cuts appear way deeper.

[pobrecito]

no surprise the b +W shot looks much better.

it just highlights the contrast and makes all the cuts appear way deeper.

So why are you holding that against me?

Ronnie rarely looks better in B+W.

As far as I am concerned, B+W for Yates is just evening out the disadvantage he is at for having less contrast than black bodybuilders

[Hulkster]

Use a better pic 

still not seeing anything close to this sort of triceps dryness and definition from the front:

[NarcissisticDeity]

In color

[NarcissisticDeity]

still not seeing anything close to this sort of triceps dryness and definition from the front:

Well it highlights that with Yates that detail can be washed away with the example you used and it gets better with the ones I used and Coleman's darker skin makes it easier to see .

[slaveboy1980]

you guys are fucking crazy its obvious ronnie is better than dorian.ronnie rules. how the fuck can you even argue? dorian is way better than ronnie. ronnies arms are so much bigger than dorians..same with quads, chest. How can you say ronnie is better than dorian when he beat ronnie time after time during the 90s? Ronnie was never as good as dorian was. Dorian beat ronnie time after time. Dorian rules.

[suckmymuscle]

 Ronnie's lats were slightly wider and thicker due to his 30 lb advantage over Dorian.

   Bullshit. I have already explained that there's no logical correlation between his increased bodyweight and having a wider and thicker back. Most of the weight was probably caused by his quad increase and abdominal distension.Both of these pictures are miscleading because, as I have already explained, his greater hams and glutes give himn an appearance of greater overrall width.

  You have failed utterly to prove that Ronnie's lats were wider than Dorian's in 2003, in the same way thatr you failed to prove that they were just as wide in 1999. I think that they were slightly narrower in 1999 and just as wide in 2003.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

So why are you holding that against me?

Ronnie rarely looks better in B+W.

As far as I am concerned, B+W for Yates is just evening out the disadvantage he is at for having less contrast than black bodybuilders

no, Ronnie ALWAYS looks better in black and white just as Yates does.

[Hulkster]

you guys are fucking crazy its obvious ronnie is better than dorian.ronnie rules. how the f**k can you even argue? dorian is way better than ronnie. ronnies arms are so much bigger than dorians..same with quads, chest. How can you say ronnie is better than dorian when he beat ronnie time after time during the 90s? Ronnie was never as good as dorian was. Dorian beat ronnie time after time. Dorian rules.

LOL

[pobrecito]

no, Ronnie ALWAYS looks better in black and white just as Yates does.

even if you think he does, the difference is not nearly as dramatic as it is with Yates. This is becuase naturally Ronnie already has a large contrast advantage.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, Ronnie ALWAYS looks better in black and white just as Yates does.

Hulkster I've explained the story behind this pic of Yates yet you cling to it , this particular picture in the magazine was very small and when I resized it it lost quality thats NOT indicative of how he looked at the contest .

[Hulkster]

even if you think he does, the difference is not nearly as dramatic as it is with Yates. This is becuase naturally Ronnie already has a large contrast advantage.

you mean a large physique and quality advantage...

[logical?]

Regarding the lats, Dorian's insert lower, but his lats have a more flared shape to them whereas Ronnie's have more of a progressive curve thus giving the illusion of a lower insertion.

Regarding the rear delts, Ronnie's were never as clearly separated as Dorian's in the rear lat spread.

To me, they are fairly close in the rear lat, but Yates has a slight advantage in the back, slightly better conditioning, and of course, the calves.

Pretty much agree with this assessment.

However, both bodybuilders hit the pose markedly differently- and the same goes for the rear double bi.

Ronnie rounds his back and haunches his traps more, as has been noticed- it somehwat detracts from his width, but it produces that incredible 'bubble' of muscle up around his neck, the upper traps. Dorian hits his standing more upright, which seems to be the more conventional way to do it. As a second alternative, Jay seems to round his back like Ronnie a little, but he pushes his entire frame backwards.

So too with the rear double bi. Dorian hits his in a straight up and down fashion, Ronnie hits his leaning quite far back.

[Iceman1981]

you guys are fucking crazy its obvious ronnie is better than dorian.ronnie rules. how the f**k can you even argue? dorian is way better than ronnie. ronnies arms are so much bigger than dorians..same with quads, chest. How can you say ronnie is better than dorian when he beat ronnie time after time during the 90s? Ronnie was never as good as dorian was. Dorian beat ronnie time after time. Dorian rules.

Huh? lol that didn't make any sence.