Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

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Hulkster you claimed he was FIFTH after the first round he wasn't , you claimed he was overlooked he was in 3rd after the standing relaxed round , the next three rounds he won but the point is if he was overlooked he would have never won , you think he didn't deserve to win the first round? NO you're not humble enough to admit that maybe Ronnie isn't as good as you think he is , you're ice-skating uphill with these comments he was ' overlooked ' and you have to do it because you think he should have gotten straight firsts when in reality he was very lucky to beat Flex Wheeler , lucky Flex was less than 100% and damn lucky they didn't pull a Roland Cziurlok.

read this very carefully Hulkster. You have just been owned yet again.

[logical?]

Probably better if you don't quote actual competitors from the show, ND. They all have conflicts of interest.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Chris Cormier on Dorian Yates at the 1995 Mr Olympia


This is a quote from Jon Hotten book " Muscle "

" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own.  Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hardness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Another quote from Jon Hotten's book Muscle

Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
   Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique.

[logical?]

Another quote from Jon Hotten's book Muscle

Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
   Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique.

Coleman vulnerable?

That's the last word I've ever heard used to describe Coleman's reign.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Coleman vulnerable?

That's the last word I've ever heard used to describe Coleman's reign.

Sure he was lucky in 1998 , 2001 , 2002 , 2004 , 2006 he lost , he lost the 2002 Show of Strenght , he lost the challenge round at the 2005 Mr Olympia , Ronnie was a beatable bodybuilder.

[logical?]

Sure he was lucky in 1998 , 2001 , 2002 , 2004 , 2006 he lost , he lost the 2002 Show of Strenght , he lost the challenge round at the 2005 Mr Olympia , Ronnie was a beatable bodybuilder.

He was hardly lucky in 1998. Who did you see beating him, or coming close to him?

2002 was Ronnie's worst-ever showing, but there was no one else to give it to. Levrone had a weak back and weak legs. The same goes with 2004- No one else to give it to.

I certainly don't think Jay won in 2001- I had Ronnie slightly ahead from the front- and of course from the back, it was a different story.

You have to give it to the best man on stage. Ronnie was way ahead of anyone in 2004, 1998, 2002- as bad as 2002 was.  Same as Jay winning in 2006. Looked like crap, but no one else to give it to.

[NarcissisticDeity]

He was hardly lucky in 1998. Who did you see beating him, or coming close to him?

2002 was Ronnie's worst-ever showing, but there was no one else to give it to. Levrone had a weak back and weak legs. The same goes with 2004- No one else to give it to.

I certainly don't think Jay won in 2001- I had Ronnie slightly ahead from the front- and of course from the back, it was a different story.

You have to give it to the best man on stage. Ronnie was way ahead of anyone in 2004, 1998, 2002- as bad as 2002 was.  Same as Jay winning in 2006. Looked like crap, but no one else to give it to.

If politics were involved Flex would have won the 1998 Mr Olympia , he could have beat Ronnie if he was 100% and your damn right he was lucky in 1998 , Lucky they didn't go with the heir apparent , lucky Flex was off

2001 Ronnie lost the whole prejudging I mean this is the biggest gift he ever received , NO ONE in the history of bodybuilding has ever lost the whole prejudging and came back and won the whole contest in the posing rounds , I don't feel it was fixed but Ronnie was extremely lucky

2002 Ronnie was way off and again another clear contest that he could have just as easily lost

2004 Jay was closing the gap , Ronnie was way to big and holding water I think he looked terrible in 04 another contest where he was just daring the judges to mark him down

overall he was NOT as dominant as Haney or Yates

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If politics were involved Flex would have won the 1998 Mr Olympia , he could have beat Ronnie if he was 100% and your damn right he was lucky in 1998 , Lucky they didn't go with the heir apparent , lucky Flex was off

2001 Ronnie lost the whole prejudging I mean this is the biggest gift he ever received , NO ONE in the history of bodybuilding has ever lost the whole prejudging and came back and won the whole contest in the posing rounds , I don't feel it was fixed but Ronnie was extremely lucky

2002 Ronnie was way off and again another clear contest that he could have just as easily lost

2004 Jay was closing the gap , Ronnie was way to big and holding water I think he looked terrible in 04 another contest where he was just daring the judges to mark him down

overall he was NOT as dominant as Haney or Yates

excellent post !!

[NarcissisticDeity]

I mean this physique is just flawless

[pobrecito]

Damn, even in the 91-92 offseason Dorian looked awesome!

[logical?]

If politics were involved Flex would have won the 1998 Mr Olympia , he could have beat Ronnie if he was 100% and your damn right he was lucky in 1998 , Lucky they didn't go with the heir apparent , lucky Flex was off

2001 Ronnie lost the whole prejudging I mean this is the biggest gift he ever received , NO ONE in the history of bodybuilding has ever lost the whole prejudging and came back and won the whole contest in the posing rounds , I don't feel it was fixed but Ronnie was extremely lucky

2002 Ronnie was way off and again another clear contest that he could have just as easily lost

2004 Jay was closing the gap , Ronnie was way to big and holding water I think he looked terrible in 04 another contest where he was just daring the judges to mark him down

overall he was NOT as dominant as Haney or Yates

Sorry?


I didn't say politics were involved. This is logical, not Hulkster

But Flex wasn't 100%, and hadn't been 100% since 93. To the point where I think Yates said that that 93ASC was a fluke. It shouldn't be about heir apparant. If you're arguing that there weren't politics involved, you should just say they give it to the best man on the day. None of this heir apparent stuff.

I don't think 2001 prejudging was fixed- I think Jay looked remarkable- but I actually think that Ronnie looked awesome. He was simply massive, and he had a tiny, tiny waist. He was holding water, but come  on- does this mean he should lose it to Jay?

2002 he could have lost- you're right, but he didn't.

ND all this amounts to is a string of observations that 'he could have lost.'

Well, Yates could have lost all his contests- had someone better than him shown up. There was no one better than Ronnie in 2001, 2002, 2004, just like there was no one better than Dorian when he won.

[logical?]

Yes, that picture of Yates is flawless. But he wasn't there in 2000-2004.

[pobrecito]

Yes, that picture of Yates is flawless. But he wasn't there in 2000-2004.

and if he was, Coleman would have been defeated.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes, that picture of Yates is flawless. But he wasn't there in 2000-2004.

2004 I mean seriously

[NarcissisticDeity]

Very unprofessional of Ronnie.  At least Dorian didn't flaunt his gut.  In my opinion, Dorian's midsection (waist size and gut combo) was worse than Ronnie's, but Dorian would never have done that on stage.

And you're basing this on what exactly? lol if he never flaunted it how would you know? those screencaps from the 1994 Grand Prix is honestly NO WHERE near that I mean the only one who comes close is a 400 pound Kovacs !

[delta9mda]

a great example of how magazine quotes mean squat. A quote can be misleading if you take it at face value.

here is the scorecard:

1 Ronnie Coleman USA 17 5 5 5 32 
2 Flex Wheeler USA 5 10 10 10 35 
3 Nasser El Sonbaty Yugoslavia 11 16 17 16 60 
4 Kevin Levrone USA 23 21 20 20 84 
5 Shawn Ray USA 18 22 24 25 89 
6 Chris Cormier USA 40 30 30 30 13

Notice: there was a ONE POINT difference between Ronnie's third and Shawn's fouth.

so, in reality ronnie was fighting between third and fourth at the conclusion of round one.

He barely made third, and could have ended up at fourth place in round two had shawn pulled ahead of him.

Fifth was my mistake.

but it just goes to show you that when the judges overlook ronnie,

there was a one point difference between ronnie and shawn.

when they wake up and realize how good he was,

there was a 17 to 20 point difference.Ronnie was overlooked initially in 98.

Had this not occured he proabably would have recieved a 5 in every round.

hahahaha yates never "faught" for anything but 1st place.

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 You said it isn't irrelvant? I stand by what I said 100% retard.

  Since I didn't realized any mistake - I don't know what the f**k you're talking about -, you're talking out of your ass. You're such a low I.Qd troll that I somethimes consider if you're being serious with your posts.

  Ha ha ha ha ha ha! You continue to insist with the same shit when I have already explained to you en absurdum that the long head of the triceps plays an insignificant role in the rear lat spread and the relaxed  back round. The fact is that the inner triceps head is only visible in it's entirety  on the front double biceps, a fact that you refuse to admit because you want to save your idiot(technical use of the term here: I.Q 75 -) ass from further humiliation.

  No, you didn't. The fact is Ronnie's brachialis were undrdeveloped in relation to his biceps and triceps.

  How exactly is this relevant is beyond me, since anyone can doa google search and find the brachialis in an antomy chart. Duh:

www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/medded/grossAnatomy/dissector/mm/brac.htm

By the eay, dumbass, I already said I'll circle it if you make a concise, point by point explanation for why exactly Ronnie's distended gut did not represent a symmetrical liability that would most likely make him lose to Dorian at an unbiased contest. Come on, retard. You don't have the capacity do explain it, do you?

  Owned

SUCKMYMUSCLE

  Hey, NeoSpeminole, dumbass, I did reply to you post. You got owned so badly, and yet you refuse to respond.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

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hahahaha yates never "faught" for anything but 1st place.

Delta, speak on 1995 already

[suckmymuscle]

Neo, lay it to rest.

I am in agreement with you 100%.

I also think that Hulkster has a valid point that Sucky's main arguments in his long paragraph's are completely wrong, thus rendering his whole argument invalid.

That being said, let's just move on with the debate.

  Wow. This coming from the guy ho has complimented my posts the most. Whatever. In any case, explain what arguments of mine you think are wong and I'll address them.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

you don't know the crap that suckmyasshole spews from his mouth, otherwise you would understand why I won't let it go. He threatens other members who disagree with him, sends abusive personal messages, wishes cancer upon them, and routinely claims to rape men. He also brings up old posts and calls you a bitch if you don't respond to him, yet he's too much of a pussy to draw a circle on a pic.

oh, and I've caught him lying before to weasel his fagg*t ass out of a situation.

  I never lied. You are just not cpable of debating me. It's not my fault.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

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  Wow. This coming from the guy ho has complimented my posts the most. Whatever. In any case, explain what arguments of mine you think are wong and I'll address them.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

For the most part I agree with your posts, although there have been a few that I did not agree with.

I do hope that you will continue to write your paragraph-long responses though, they are enjoyable to read and add good content to the thread.

[suckmymuscle]

For the most part I agree with your posts, although there have been a few that I did not agree with.

I do hope that you will continue to write your paragraph-long responses though, they are enjoyable to read and add good content to the thread.

  Again, you said that the basic assumptions of my arguments are wrong, and that this renders my posts irrelevant. Well, I'm still waiting for your criticism. You know what I think? That you are a troll. Seriously. You switched sides at least ten times during this thread, and even when you "agreed" with any of my posts, you wrote things like "suckmydick owns camp Coleman", or things like that. As someone said, you are here just to stir up shit. Then, I wrote you a PM asking you why you called me names at the thread even though I didn't say anything to you, and you came back here and told eveyone that I "threatened" you, when in reality I just asked you a question.

  I think that you won't reply to my post asking you what exactly is wong with my arguments because you're unable to. Just like NeoSperminole.  ;)He accused me of dodging his issues, when in reality I replied to him point by point and explained why he is wong. Of course, he refused to admit, and continued to post the same reply. Well, you said that the basic premisses of my posts are wrong. That's a very serious charge, because it undermines everything else I write. I want to hear exactly what's wrong with my arguments. Let's debate. Frankly, the only guy on this thread that can debate on an equal level with me is on the same side as I am, and I can assure you that's not you.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

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  Again, you said that the basic assumptions of my arguments are wrong, and that this renders my posts irrelevant. Well, I'm still waiting for your criticism. You know what I think? That you are a troll. Seriously. You switched sides at least ten times during this thread, and even when you "agreed" with any of my posts, you wrote things like "suckmydick owns camp Coleman", or things like that. As someone said, you are here just to stir up shit. Then, I wrote you a PM asking you why you called me names at the thread even though I didn't say anything to you, and you came back here and told eveyone that I "threatened" you, when in reality I just asked you a question.

  I think that you won't reply to my post asking you what exactly is wong with my arguments because you're unable to. Just like NeoSperminole.  ;)He accused me of dodging his issues, when in reality I replied to him point by point and explained why he is wong. Of course, he refused to admit, and continued to post the same reply. Well, you said that the basic premisses of my posts are wrong. That's a very serious charge, because it undermines everything else I write. I want to hear exactly what's wrong with my arguments. Let's debate. Frankly, the only guy on this thread that can debate on an equal level with me is on the same side as I am, and I can assure you that's not you.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Now you have just elevated this thread for me from "fun" to "personal."

Once my semester is over next week I will go back and review every post of yours. I hope you are prepared to respond to each and ever one of my posts.

[suckmymuscle]

Now you have just elevated this thread for me from "fun" to "personal."

Once my semester is over next week I will go back and review every post of yours. I hope you are prepared to respond to each and ever one of my posts.

  Join the line! Too bad that, to do that, you'll have to flip back to Ronnie's corner. Oh, wait, I fogot that's exactly what you're here for. Oh, and by the way, it is you who started the shit by calling me names despite the fact that I didn't say shit to you.

SUCKMYMUSCLE