Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

you see, that's your problem. You look at the numbers and then make up your mind. In your head, Ronnie was the same size he was in 98 b/c he weighed the same. Imagine you didn't know how much Ronnie weighed at the 01 ASC. Do you honestly mean to tell me that he doesn't look bigger than 98?

You can post a slanted comparison in a weak attempt to prove your point but you need more than that , and don't presume to speak for me I don't look at the numbers and then make up my mind I take into consideration all of the material and then make up my mind

And your original claim was it's a great shot no doubt, but I still think 01 ASC Ronnie beats it. He had the size of 99 with the conditioning of 98. His calves weren't too shabby either, and his arms destroy Dorian's.
now you're backpeddling now its Do you honestly mean to tell me that he doesn't look bigger than 98?


You post a picture comparison to 98 , why? your claim was he had the size of 99 NOT 98 , why post pictures of 98? because you know damn well he's not comparable in terms of ' size ' in 01 with 99 thats why , you're stone cold busted 

Now Ronnie 1998 Olympia & 2001 ASC are actually very comparable in terms of size & hardness , when ever Ronnie gets real dry he gets very lean ( relatively ) I've seen 01 ASC Ronnie listed at 244 pounds to as high as 247 pounds , Ronnie 1998 Olympia 249 pounds so either way the are very comparable to each other but in no way shape or form does he have the size of 99 like you claimed , Ronnie looks very small in 01 but super sharp and dry all over

Big size difference between 99 and 01

[NeoSeminole]

Ha ha ha ha ha... I'm still waiting for you to give me a single example of a bodybuilder who had a worst back, yet won the rear lat spread on virtue of having the better triceps. What a fucking putz...

why? I never said that a bodybuilder with a worse back beat another in a back pose b/c of his triceps long heads. If you're suggesting this is proof the triceps don't matter in the back relaxed and rear lat spread, then according to your logic the calves don't matter either. Show me one bodybuilder who beat another that was better except for the calves.

Terible analogy. Why? Due to the positioning of the muscles. In the front double biceps, the full mass of the biceps is visible. The fact that the medial head is concealed is irrelevant, because the size of the muscle is viewed from the front and the the medial head is already factored in - because it neither adds to or subtracts from the biceps size. A better analogy would be flexing the biceps and then looking at it from the top.

ha ha ha, where did you get your "exercise physiology" degree from? You should sue them for teaching you shit about anatomy. The full mass of the biceps isn't visible in the front double biceps. You cannot see the lateral head nor the brachii. Also, the medial head is not concealed you dumbass - it's the part of the biceps you see in this pose.

The point of my analogy is that both muscles are equivalent in terms of size, therefore both are equally important or nonimportant. You claimed the triceps long head is "so small that it's irrelevant" in the back relaxed and rear lat spread. It logically follows from your comment that the biceps medial head is irrelevant due to its size.

What about the tons of pics that NarcissisticDeity has posted showing Ronnie's distended gut? Are you pretending they don't exist?

you claimed that 03 Ronnie's gut would make him lose the symmetry round. I asked you to post pics showing a distended midsection during the symmetry round. I even reposted my comment in case you missed it the first time. You conveniently ignored my challenge. Then you asked me to post pics showing Ronnie without a gut during the symmetry round. I did so in convincing fashion. However, that wasn't good enough for you b/c I know you. You hate losing to people online. Now you're bringing up ND's pics which were taken from unusual angles or during his posing routine. For someone who regularly claims that Ronnie would lose the symmetry round due to his gut, I'm baffled that you don't have any pics from the symmetry round.

Because it is. Dorian's lateral triceps head is also longer and fuller than Ronnie's. No contest.

again for everyone to see. You make this too easy for me. Ask anyone who's tricep looks more striated.

[NeoSeminole]

You can post a slanted comparison in a weak attempt to prove your point but you need more than that

wtf, how were those comparisons slanted?

And your original claim was "it's a great shot no doubt, but I still think 01 ASC Ronnie beats it. He had the size of 99 with the conditioning of 98. His calves weren't too shabby either, and his arms destroy Dorian's." now you're backpeddling now its "Do you honestly mean to tell me that he doesn't look bigger than 98?"

how am I backpeddling if I still stand by what I said earlier? Usually, the term "backpeddling" is applied when someone realizes they are wrong and tries to change their argument without being caught (e.g. Suckmyasshole).

You post a picture comparison to 98 , why? your claim was he had the size of 99 NOT 98 , why post pictures of 98? because you know damn well he's not comparable in terms of ' size ' in 01 with 99 thats why , you're stone cold busted

The difference between 98 and 99 Ronnie was less than 10 lbs. Ronnie was bigger in 99, but he wasn't THAT much bigger. It's not like he was 30 or even 20 lbs heavier. I compared pics from 98 and 01 ASC to show that Ronnie was noticably bigger in 01. Hence, he was very close, if not the same size, as he was in 99. The difference in size would be negligable.

[NeoSeminole]

ND, is this better?

[IceCold]

Ronnie's bdb is better than dorian's.

just look at those shots.

How the nuthuggers can possibly say that dorian's back is "more complete" with arms that bad is just stupid.

it is incomplete, not more complete.

yes, ronnie's arms are better, but this is one shot where calves are just as important as arms.

[IceCold]

ps note that these are PICS so you can't use the lame "its a screecap" excuse that has been thorougly debunked by Force Reps eariler.

that clown proved nothing.

he provided no sources as to where he got the pictures.

he has 2 posts in this thread telling me how hard he works out and that he doesnt come on here. but yet has the time to find his name mentioned in 1 sentence. 

[suckmymuscle]

why? I never said that a bodybuilder with a worse back beat another in a back pose b/c of his triceps long heads. If you're suggesting this is proof the triceps don't matter in the back relaxed and rear lat spread, then according to your logic the calves don't matter either. Show me one bodybuilder who beat another that was better except for the calves.

  Again, terrible analogy. Most of the calves mass is visible from the back, while this is not true for the inner and medial triceps head. It's very simple, really.

ha ha ha, where did you get your "exercise physiology" degree from? You should sue them for teaching you shit about anatomy. The full mass of the biceps isn't visible in the front double biceps. You cannot see the lateral head nor the brachii. Also, the medial head is not concealed you dumbass - it's the part of the biceps you see in this pose.

  But this is not relevant. Why? Because the issue here is not visibility of the muscle, but what is shown of it. The front double biceps shows the inner and medial triceps head and the biceps to full effect, while, in the rear lat spread, only the back part of the long head of the triceps is visible. Is this so hard for you to understand, retard? The poin here is that looking at the inner and meidal triceps head from the back is like looking at the biceps from the top: most of the mass is concealed.
 

The point of my analogy is that both muscles are equivalent in terms of size, therefore both are equally important or nonimportant. You claimed the triceps long head is "so small that it's irrelevant" in the back relaxed and rear lat spread. It logically follows from your comment that the biceps medial head is irrelevant due to its size.

  No, completely wrong. The issue here is not size, but angle. In the front double biceps, the biceps are visible to full effect, while this is not true when it comes to the triceps in the rear la spread. First of all, it's not true that the biceps and the triceps are of equal size: everyone knows that the triceps has more overral mass. Secondly, even if they had the same size, it would still be irrelevant, because looking at the triceps from the back is akin to looking at the biceps from the top. Get it now, dumbass?

you claimed that 03 Ronnie's gut would make him lose the symmetry round. I asked you to post pics showing a distended midsection during the symmetry round. I even reposted my comment in case you missed it the first time. You conveniently ignored my challenge. Then you asked me to post pics showing Ronnie without a gut during the symmetry round. I did so in convincing fashion.

  That's the key word: convincing. Your pics have been anything but convincing. You post pics of Ronnie when he's sucking his gut in and then claim he has no distension. You post pics of Ronnie doing the abdominals-and-thighs, where hois gut is visible even from the front, and you claim that his midsection is ggreat and "under control"(your words). NeoSperminole: give up, because you can't win this argument.

However, that wasn't good enough for you b/c I know you. You hate losing to people online.

  You greatly overestimate your importance in my life, little boy. I'm currently engaging in discussions on eight different message boards, on topics that have nothing to do with bodybuilding. You know me? No, you don't. I'm sitting here at home perfectly comfortably, and I couldn't care less about the outcome of this discussion. And, regardless, I will continue to say that Dorian Yates is better than Ronnie Coleman. I will never meet you in my life, and I could turn you off like I can unplug my computer. You are an incognita on a screen, and I certainly won't lose any sleep over you. You greatly overestimate your importance, intellect, argumentational abilities and bodybuilding knowledge. You previosuly said that you would absolutely crush me at an intellectual debate; well, I took your challenge and gave you a long, concise explanation for why you were wrong on the religious forum. Your reply was that I was wrong, and that I didn't disprove you, when in reality, I did.

Now you're bringing up ND's pics which were taken from unusual angles or during his posing routine. For someone who regularly claims that Ronnie would lose the symmetry round due to his gut, I'm baffled that you don't have any pics from the symmetry round.

  I have the review of the 2003 Olympia from three different magazines - FLEX, MD and Ironman -, but I don't have a scanner. Furthermore, what difference does it make who posted the pics? Several of you Coleman nut-huggers have used pics I've posted, and I didn't bitch about it. Everyone has used everyne's pics at this thread, so it is irrelevant. Regarless, I will search the net for "new" pics of Ronnie's pregancy in 2003, and post it.

again for everyone to see. You make this too easy for me. Ask anyone who's tricep looks more striated.

  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...NeoSperm...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...ok. There isn't a single striation on any of the Ronnie pics you've posted, so you've made a fool out of yourself. Not only were Dorian's triceps more striated, but Dorian had a longer triceps head, with greater hardness. Ronnie could never match these.

SUCMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  And these.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Iceman1981]

sorry dorian.

Where are Dorians hams in that shot?

[Iceman1981]

bwahahahahahahah hahahaha are you serious??? LOL.

First off, post a real fucking picture...not some pixelated crap where we can't see shit.

Secondly, post a picture of Ronnie in a rear relaxed pose.

I have already demostrated Yates' superiority in the rear lat spread

Why are you using the worst pics of Coleman? All of the pics you post of Coleman are washed out by too much light on Coleman, and then you complain when we post a great screencap of Coleman? Get real. Like I said before, no one believes what you say.

[Iceman1981]

oh please, the background looks grainier than Dorian.

lol. Dorian is grainy up to a certain point, but when you add in his bad acne he has on his skin and the brown spots he has all over his skin, it makes him look even more grainy. Here is a pic. Look at all of the brown pigmentation on his body. Open the pic to 100% to see what I'm talking about.

[pobrecito]

again for everyone to see. You make this too easy for me. Ask anyone who's tricep looks more striated.

[Hulkster]

Ronnie's arm in that tri comparison looks better than dorian's/

his tri is shapely and striated, and he has a bicep.

dorian's arm shows triceps and nothing else..

[Shockwave]

Ronnie's arm in that tri comparison looks better than dorian's/

his tri is shapely and striated, and he has a bicep.

dorian's arm shows triceps and nothing else..

Last I checked, it's called side Tri- not side Bi-.
Jeeze, you really are grasping, aren't you?
Ronnie has always had inferior Triceps, in that pose.

[Hulkster]

yes, ronnie's arms are better, but this is one shot where calves are just as important as arms.

Last I checked, it's called side Tri- not side Bi-.
Jeeze, you really are grasping, aren't you?
Ronnie has always had inferior Triceps, in that pose.

no, he has always had striated triceps in that pose. and great shapely arms thanks to his unreal biceps.

just because the pose is not a side bi does not mean that having great biceps is not an advantage over someone with fairly crappy biceps.

[Shockwave]

no, he has always had striated triceps in that pose. and great shapely arms thanks to his unreal biceps.

just because the pose is not a side bi does not mean that having great biceps is not an advantage over someone with fairly crappy biceps.

His triceps, aside from being striated, look like shit. They have no thickness, are oddly shaped, and are barely noticable.

[Hulkster]

one thing that I find so stupid is that some of the screencaps from the 1999 Olympia are clearer and of better quality than many of these arnold classic pics.

so why isn't the dorian side jumping all over these amazing pics for being "fake" and "doctored"

the whole "99 screencap = fake" is one of the dumbest parts of this entire thread.

It is simply a way to put down ronnie because he looks better than dorian ever did in his 99 form

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie's arm in that tri comparison looks better than dorian's/

his tri is shapely and striated, and he has a bicep.

dorian's arm shows triceps and nothing else..

Another empty claim , FYI triceps are supposed to be bigger than the biceps , and Ronnie's arm doesn'r look better , his forearm is being dwarfed by his triceps/biceps , his tricep is striated but the sidehead is not as detailed or separated as Dorian's factor in Dorian's midsection being much tighter and his overall conditioning sharper Dorian is easily beating Ronnie in the side triceps pose , this is a shot that Ronnie doesn't measure up.

[pobrecito]

one thing that I find so stupid is that some of the screencaps from the 1999 Olympia are clearer and of better quality than many of these arnold classic pics.

so why isn't the dorian side jumping all over these amazing pics for being "fake" and "doctored"

the whole "99 screencap = fake" is one of the dumbest parts of this entire thread.

It is simply a way to put down ronnie because he looks better than dorian ever did in his 99 form

STFU....ND has already owned you with the real 99 pictures of Ronnie looking soft and inferior to the screencaps.

[NarcissisticDeity]

one thing that I find so stupid is that some of the screencaps from the 1999 Olympia are clearer and of better quality than many of these arnold classic pics.

so why isn't the dorian side jumping all over these amazing pics for being "fake" and "doctored"

the whole "99 screencap = fake" is one of the dumbest parts of this entire thread.

It is simply a way to put down ronnie because he looks better than dorian ever did in his 99 form

No one said the screencaps were fake thats bullshit , the one common theme of this thread is your misinformation and misquotes , there is an obvious color difference between the screencaps & the pictures and the other screencaps , this is proven period.

And how many times did you cry ' morphed ' pictures ? Dorian 95 ring a bell ? on at least 2 times you claimed a picture was morphed and I proved you and pumpster dead wrong , so you should know about crying you do enough of it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, he has always had striated triceps in that pose. and great shapely arms thanks to his unreal biceps.

just because the pose is not a side bi does not mean that having great biceps is not an advantage over someone with fairly crappy biceps.

The judges look for balanced development in every single pose , his arms ARE NOT balanced his forearms lag behind and while pressing in on his biceps with his lats in the side triceps only makes the problem worse , oh and the judges also look for calves in this pose. 

[pobrecito]

This blows away any version of Coleman. No Contest

[Hulkster]

No one said the screencaps were fake thats bullshit , the one common theme of this thread is your misinformation and misquotes , there is an obvious color difference between the screencaps & the pictures and the other screencaps , this is proven period.

And how many times did you cry ' morphed ' pictures ? Dorian 95 ring a bell ? on at least 2 times you claimed a picture was morphed and I proved you and pumpster dead wrong , so you should know about crying you do enough of it.

1. Icecold has claimed that they were "fake" and "doctored" on several occasionis.

2.  you think a "colour" difference makes them questionable?

you can say that about the dorian pics too, and probably every sceencap in existance from ANY contest

compare:

 

[Hulkster]

Guess What ND?

every 93 screenshot you have posted showing how "good" dorian's arms are is faked, doctored, and questionable...

 

see how stupid the argument is when it is on your lover?

[NarcissisticDeity]

1. Icecold has claimed that they were "fake" and "doctored" on several occasionis.

2.  you think a "colour" difference makes them questionable?

you can say that about the dorian pics too, and probably every sceencap in existance from ANY contest

compare:

 

There is a difference between those pictures VS the screencaps but there is a difference between the screencaps you posted and the screencaps someone else posted , there is the problem.