Author Topic: Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce  (Read 3525422 times)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23125 on: February 06, 2007, 12:28:00 PM »
ND...your point is ..... wrong.  Ronnie in 1999 was over 255.  He was more striated than Dorian ever was.  The only reason Dorian won in 1996/1997 was legacy.  I agree, in 1993, it would have been a good show.  However, the taper that Dorian brought to the table in 1992 when he was 240-250 was lost at 260+.  In 1993, his best year, he was getting the beginnings of a gut.  So if you want to compare them at their heaviest, put the 2003 Coleman or even 2005 version and they would win.  Coleman just outsizes Dorian and is more vascular.  Graininess be damned when they start flexing.  He took it to a new level in 2003.  We may all prefer the pre-gut 1998 level, but 2003 is the year that sub-six footer walked out on stage with a legit 285+ package.  His musculature would have blown Yates in any year out of the water.  BTW, comparing Fux to Coleman is laughable.  Swallowhismommy has serious issues.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23126 on: February 06, 2007, 12:28:59 PM »
You be quiet !! I'll benchpress you for reps  >:(

LOL. You said "You be quiet !!". What a fag.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23127 on: February 06, 2007, 12:34:13 PM »
haha way to prove the opposite with your post rocketswitch. sep,cuts,striations are correlated with bf and water, so are veins.

for proof view your pics of paul with less water and bf=tons of veins in the chest. then the pic with more bf and water=no viens in the chest.

you morons keep missing the point. the amount and crispness of the sep,cuts,striations,vascularity correlate positively with bf and water levels. everything in this thread proves that.


sucky missed my point about the fat guy on lasik. i said he wouldnt be in condition because of bf. would he have any cuts, seperations, or striations-NO. because he is high in bf. what does this tell us


1)bf and water equal better conditioning which equals more definition
2)both are needed
3)sep,striations,and cuts positively correlate with both, see above example
4)if dorian lacks striations,cuts, and seperations then he is either higher in bf, or not dry.
5)a further testament to this fact is that some areas of dorian(and others) have more sep,cuts,and striations. eg. his lower back is shredded, with super seperation,cuts and striations. this is optimal conditioning. however, his legs lack seperation,cuts,and striations thus showing that this area is either higher in water or bf, i would venture it is a combination of both to a degree.
6)water and bf levels are not global but local. no one would argue that dorians lower back was not more conditioned then his quads, proving this point. lee priest upper body is much more conditioned or defined then his lower body, another point.

hope this helps.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23128 on: February 06, 2007, 12:47:07 PM »
ND, this is the only thing about you that I don't like.  You talk about that black and white front lat spread from Ronnie that ownz Dorian anyday of the week.  You claim it was in controlled lighting conditions with a professional photographer....wah wah wah!  Whatever dude, the Black and White photos of Dorian before the 1993 Mr Olympia were in controlled lighting with a professional photographer.  Then it is alright.  ::)  You are as rabid about Dorian and have your head up his ass as much as Hulkster does against Ronnie.  Even your post where you state you rooted for Flex in 1993, but weren't sure if he deserved it, reeks of Dorian fanboyism.  If you think Flex has a better physique, than he deserves it; judges be damned in your mind's eye.  You are as much of a fanboy as Hulkster.  BTW, Ronnie owns Dorian from the side chest shot.  It is not even close.  I am sure Hulkster has a competition photo on his harddrive.  Dorian won side triceps but that is all.  Ronnie kills him from the front in all mandatories including front lat spread.  Dorian was exceptional one year (1993) and great another (1995); the rest of his wns were suspect at best.

Can't get any better than that. LOL

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23129 on: February 06, 2007, 12:50:28 PM »
LOL His quads have nary a cut in them in 2003 , and he is missing 2 things , one calves and two balance & proportion , you need calves damn it lol having poor calves is a liability in any pose !! offseason and this shot just blows any shot out of the water !! man I bet you're wishing for this day to end lol

LOL. he is smooth as hell and you say that that shot blows away any shot of Coleman? You're a joke.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23130 on: February 06, 2007, 12:52:31 PM »
Dorian is dull as three-day-old baby's bathwater. He won the Olympia and went back to England. He barely promoted the sport.

Arnold is funny.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23131 on: February 06, 2007, 01:04:51 PM »
ND...ok, you get the reprieve.  If you do admit that Flex in the 1993 Mr. Olympia would have whooped any version of Dorian I am cool with you.  I agree to disagree however.  Dorian looked very average in 1996; he was going downhill by then.  In fact, many a scribe wrote how Nasser owned him from the front.  If Nasser had 75% of Coleman's back, he would have been a multi-time Mr. Olympia.  However, the pics from 1993 show how good Dorian really was.  If he would have showed up in that condition year in and out, it would have been ballgame.  I agree, 1993 Dorian probably could have taken 1998 Coleman if the judging were legit.  However, by 1999 I feel Ronnie had him pretty easily.  Dorian's side chest was impressive, but Haney was the true master of the side chest.  Dorian had nowhere the thickness in his chest of Haney.  As for Coleman, he pretty much dwarfs Dorian over the past couple of years.  Since size is the apparent name of the game, I don't see how Dorian could have realistically competed.  In fact, Cutler outweighs Dorian year in and out and has better wheels (thighs/hams).  I feel that Dorian came up now, he and Cutler would be fighting it out for 2nd place.  I think Coleman last year or 2003 was just too big.  In 2004, Coleman needed to lose about 10 pounds of water.  In 2001, a 1993 Dorian would have smoke Coleman.  However, a 1997 Dorian would barely make top three now.  I guess the reality is that our debates are just that, opinion.  I see why you like Dorian; man was amazing.  However, he did not keep that condition for more than a couple of years.  Others have stayed at their peak longer.

Agree with most of it. So why is this damn thread still going on? It must be for the fun of it.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23132 on: February 06, 2007, 01:06:20 PM »
Yes, he can be. Dorian had a construction worker physique. About as aesthetic as John Goodman.

LOL

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23133 on: February 06, 2007, 01:09:35 PM »
Another truly awful yet accurate Yates "classic" that reminds me of someone.. hahahahahha

LOL. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks he looks like kovacs.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23134 on: February 06, 2007, 01:10:33 PM »
  At 310 lbs, on the peak of the off-season, the width, thickness and density of Dorian's latissimus dorsi muscles was phenomenal. :o Ronnie can't even touch it...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

great photoshop

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23135 on: February 06, 2007, 01:15:09 PM »
I don't understand how anyone can reasonably "debate" who wins between Ronnie and Dorian.

If you said Frank Zane instead of Dorian, maybe there would be some shred of debate ALA "apples and oranges", but both Ronnie and Dorian are MASS MASS MASS, the difference being that Ronnie makes Dorian look like a child in addition to having a superior structure.

Well said.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23136 on: February 06, 2007, 01:21:20 PM »
  Why is that construction worker on a bodybuilding stage? ???

LOL

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23137 on: February 06, 2007, 01:26:45 PM »
Meso, don't sweat it.  I have come to the conclusion that ND wants to be Dorian's constable; brother in arms (literally); knight in shining armor.  ND would defend Dorian to the death.  His pathetic attempts at stating he prefers Flex are worthless.  He is more of a Dorian fanboy than Hulkster could ever imagine being a Ronnie fanboy.  He is truly blinded in his love of the Brit.  If Dorian allowed ND to follow him around like a puppy, he would jump at the chance and salivate over Dorian's incredible biceps.  ::)

So FUCKING true.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23138 on: February 06, 2007, 01:32:18 PM »
There is no damn debate here!!

ND: get a clue!   >:(

If only your opinions were as good as your scans.   ;D

LOL. I agree.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23139 on: February 06, 2007, 01:33:50 PM »
wow

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23140 on: February 06, 2007, 01:35:11 PM »
No Hulkster, you have to bow down to ND  ::).  He has proven time and again that Yate's classic lines, incredible arms and superior legs would rule the day.  He did beat Ronnie seven times; although I find it hard to believe that IFBB judging would be so kind as to not knock him for being handicapped.  I think Dorian is a savior to all the unfortunate types of the world with amuputations and such; a one armed man with funky thighs won the Mr. Olympia.  Anthing is possible in this world of ours.  If you believe strongly enough, you can convince yourself that Dorian was the greatest one armed bodybuilder in history.  Unreal.  ::)  ND is a visionary; kinda of like Martin Luther King.

LOL. This guy is good.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23141 on: February 06, 2007, 01:37:41 PM »
Iceman is on a troll-meltdown lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23142 on: February 06, 2007, 01:38:27 PM »
nd nd nd....

cmon now.... do you really mean to tell me you looked at those 99 pics of ronnie and say dorian is better....
man please.... dorian had a huge torso and tiny arms.... and its not like his torso was a good torso from the front like nasser...
so you're tellin me... that you would rather look like dorian... to flex wheeler ..or ronnie... or dillet.... or francios
man please... havng an opnion on something doesnt mean it is right..
they way your coming across its like you're lookin at a square and saying in my opinion... its a circle..
ronnie and dorian are not even close....
DORIAN NEEDs to be compared to his people like fux....
i really admire hulkster.. because i would have dropped this argument... TIME ago... because there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever....
DORIAN JUSt LOOKS LIKE A GOOD CONDITIONED FUX....

Even better post. lol.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23143 on: February 06, 2007, 01:40:17 PM »
Fact Ronnie only became Mr Olympia because Dorian retired  ;)

LOL. Get a clue you a$$.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23144 on: February 06, 2007, 01:48:56 PM »
You are actually wrong here ND. You keep saying over and over that Ronnie in the 1996 Mr O (where he was beaten by Doz) weighed about 250, same as his 2001 Arnold Classic winning form. The difference wasn't just the conditioning, BUT ALSO HOW MUCH FULLER HE WAS. I have read the FLEX and other mags' 2001 Arnold Classic reports (and people's opinion of it subsequently) and the unanimous verdict is that while Ronnie weighed about 249, he LOOKED 270+. That rear double bi pic from the 1996 Mr O of Dorian and Ronnie, where Ronnie is about 250 with subpar (compared to Doz, against whom he still holds his own) conditioning can't be taken as evidence to say Doz looks better, coz Ronnie had a much better conditioning and looked 20 lbs heavier in his 2001 Arnold Classic form.

Going by your own logic ND, Dorian in 1993 would get beaten by Lee Haney in his 1991 form. Of course, here you are going to say that Doz is better and he'd win. BTW, IMO, Ronnie at his best beats Dorian at his best (and I'm Dorian's biggest fan) regardless of what anyone thinks, but I do like the arguments that come up here - no other place or people with whom I can discuss Bodybuilding :'(

Excellent post. How could the yates fan club not see that? lol.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23145 on: February 06, 2007, 01:54:39 PM »
Agree with that LOL. Nico, what's up with saying ND is getting ready to fee Dorian up mate ??? LOL, I disagree with ND, but I like how he sticks to criticising just the physique and not disrespect / trash bodybuilders calling them druggies etc. ND, quit hanging on Dorian's nut (JOKE  :D) and come join the dark side - Once you go black, you never go back ;) ;D

LOL

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23146 on: February 06, 2007, 01:55:53 PM »

Dorian yates
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Ronnie coleman
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True. That was funny

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23147 on: February 06, 2007, 02:00:03 PM »
We need to find some pics of Yates using construction equipment ;D

This guy is too funny.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23148 on: February 06, 2007, 02:04:30 PM »
iceman,


why are you posting quotes from may?
R.I.P. DIMEBAG DARRELL ABBOTT (1966-2004)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #23149 on: February 06, 2007, 02:13:23 PM »
Moron. Posting morphed pics. Even his waist is morphed in that shot, not just his biceps. Your last twenty posts have been utter garbage.

I didnt think stupidity could reach such heights. Ernie taylors triceps? Where have you been the last 10 years. Taylors triceps were nothing more than synthol pumped up balloons.

Ignorance.


LOL. What a complete moron. Now I know why everyone hates sucky.