Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie would be 10x more impressive in person too so exactly what is your point?

 

So me the quote that states this , I've seen it leveled at Dorian at least 5 times and NOT once for Ronnie

[NarcissisticDeity]

you got that right.

like every damn muscle on his entire front side except for his abs:

Yawn

Flex magazine Dec 1995

Dorian Yates : Skin like tissue paper. In the crucial front double-biceps shot , the left bicep is short , but NOT fatally so. Traps look as if they have the capacity to render him deaf. Back , upper and lower , is sensational in EVERY respect : width , thickness and detail. Side triceps is a masterpiece that he's made into a Broadway production number. Thighs have more sweep than before . Calves? Yates wrote the book on calves . In muscle thickness , he's in a class of his own . Today's combination of size , proportion , shape and condition make this his peak form.

Countdown to the excuses.......3........2 ......1 

[pobrecito]

Dorian just looks fucking amazing in this shot....big as a house and DRY to the BONE.

[pobrecito]

95 was a massacre!

[Hulkster]

So me the quote that states this , I've seen it leveled at Dorian at least 5 times and NOT once for Ronnie

so what?

dorian does not possess unique magical properties that no other bodybuilder does.

exactly how is it that just because you have 'never seen it stated' about Ronnie means that it is not true?

it is true for EVERYONE, not just dorian.

I can't believe I have to explain this...

you really have no clue do you?

[NarcissisticDeity]

so what?

dorian does not possess unique magical properties that no other bodybuilder does.

exactly how is it that just because you have 'never seen it stated' about Ronnie means that it is not true?

it is true for EVERYONE, not just dorian.

I can't believe I have to explain this...

you really have no clue do you?

Shut up , and put up !! the quotes that favor Ronnie  ( loser )

[Hulkster]

Shut up , and put up !! the quotes that favor Ronnie  ( loser )

here are some for starters, following 2003, not even his best form:


"Ronnie persevers and proves continually, that, at his best, he is unbeatable"
MD, page. 45, feb. 04, Steve Blechman

"Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"
-Steve Blechan.
MD, page 44, Feb. 04,

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time"
-Flex Wheeler, page 160, same MD.

"Everyone was in awe. I almost bit my tounge a number of times sitting in the crowd watching him. I never ever imagined a human being could look like that. ....People were just shaking their heads" - Flex Wheeler, same article.


"I freaked out when I saw Ronnie. It was just hands down that he had first place. Hell, yeah, everyone did. There were a bunch of guys standing backstage looking at him. We couldn't do anything but stare"-Victor Martinez, page 352, Feb. 04 MD.

"You could hear the thud as our jaws dropped to the floor when he came out onstage...His combination of mass and cuts were so awe inspiring. Ron Harris and I just kept rubbing our eyes. Here is a man reported to be 297 pounds the morning of the show and had every bit of cuts that a Mr. Olympia should have."- Carlon M. Colker, MD page 414, Feb. 04.

"(in reference to Ronnie's super dominant 2003 win) A judging panel comprised of Stevie Wonder, Helen Keller and Ray Charles could have gotten that call right"-same article

"he was so far ahead of everyone else I heard a rumour that his DNA actually tested positive for being an alien" - Hany Rambod, page, 356, MD feb. 04.

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
-Paul Dillett, page, 366 MD, Feb. 04.

(notice, no mention of dorian. only ronnie, flex, and sergio. dorian does not belong in that class of bodybuilders )


"as to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come"
-Dexter Jackson, Flex, Jan. 04, page 52.

"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet"
 - Kenny Kassel, IFBB official, Flex, Jan. O4 page 58

There are many more, but I think you get the picture...

 


now, who is the loser?

[NarcissisticDeity]

here are some for starters, following 2003, not even his best form:


"Ronnie persevers and proves continually, that, at his best, he is unbeatable"
MD, page. 45, feb. 04, Steve Blechman

"Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"
-Steve Blechan.
MD, page 44, Feb. 04,

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time"
-Flex Wheeler, page 160, same MD.

"Everyone was in awe. I almost bit my tounge a number of times sitting in the crowd watching him. I never ever imagined a human being could look like that. ....People were just shaking their heads" - Flex Wheeler, same article.


"I freaked out when I saw Ronnie. It was just hands down that he had first place. Hell, yeah, everyone did. There were a bunch of guys standing backstage looking at him. We couldn't do anything but stare"-Victor Martinez, page 352, Feb. 04 MD.

"You could hear the thud as our jaws dropped to the floor when he came out onstage...His combination of mass and cuts were so awe inspiring. Ron Harris and I just kept rubbing our eyes. Here is a man reported to be 297 pounds the morning of the show and had every bit of cuts that a Mr. Olympia should have."- Carlon M. Colker, MD page 414, Feb. 04.

"(in reference to Ronnie's super dominant 2003 win) A judging panel comprised of Stevie Wonder, Helen Keller and Ray Charles could have gotten that call right"-same article

"he was so far ahead of everyone else I heard a rumour that his DNA actually tested positive for being an alien" - Hany Rambod, page, 356, MD feb. 04.

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
-Paul Dillett, page, 366 MD, Feb. 04.

(notice, no mention of dorian. only ronnie, flex, and sergio. dorian does not belong in that class of bodybuilders )


"as to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come"
-Dexter Jackson, Flex, Jan. 04, page 52.

"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet"
 - Kenny Kassel, IFBB official, Flex, Jan. O4 page 58

There are many more, but I think you get the picture...

 


now, who is the loser?

Nice try but NOT one single mention of Ronnie looking better in person than he does in photos in videos , so NICE TRY but you've accomplished nothing  ( loser )

[NeoSeminole]

[NarcissisticDeity]

here are some for starters, following 2003, not even his best form:


"Ronnie persevers and proves continually, that, at his best, he is unbeatable"
MD, page. 45, feb. 04, Steve Blechman

"Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"
-Steve Blechan.
MD, page 44, Feb. 04,

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time"
-Flex Wheeler, page 160, same MD.

"Everyone was in awe. I almost bit my tounge a number of times sitting in the crowd watching him. I never ever imagined a human being could look like that. ....People were just shaking their heads" - Flex Wheeler, same article.


"I freaked out when I saw Ronnie. It was just hands down that he had first place. Hell, yeah, everyone did. There were a bunch of guys standing backstage looking at him. We couldn't do anything but stare"-Victor Martinez, page 352, Feb. 04 MD.

"You could hear the thud as our jaws dropped to the floor when he came out onstage...His combination of mass and cuts were so awe inspiring. Ron Harris and I just kept rubbing our eyes. Here is a man reported to be 297 pounds the morning of the show and had every bit of cuts that a Mr. Olympia should have."- Carlon M. Colker, MD page 414, Feb. 04.

"(in reference to Ronnie's super dominant 2003 win) A judging panel comprised of Stevie Wonder, Helen Keller and Ray Charles could have gotten that call right"-same article

"he was so far ahead of everyone else I heard a rumour that his DNA actually tested positive for being an alien" - Hany Rambod, page, 356, MD feb. 04.

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
-Paul Dillett, page, 366 MD, Feb. 04.

(notice, no mention of dorian. only ronnie, flex, and sergio. dorian does not belong in that class of bodybuilders )


"as to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come"
-Dexter Jackson, Flex, Jan. 04, page 52.

"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet"
 - Kenny Kassel, IFBB official, Flex, Jan. O4 page 58

There are many more, but I think you get the picture...

 


now, who is the loser?

"Ronnie persevers and proves continually, that, at his best, he is unbeatable"
MD, page. 45, feb. 04, Steve Blechman

2003? his best? not his best by a long shot

"Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"
-Steve Blechan.
MD, page 44, Feb. 04,

His opinion and I'm sure many agree

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time"
-Flex Wheeler, page 160, same MD.

"Everyone was in awe. I almost bit my tounge a number of times sitting in the crowd watching him. I never ever imagined a human being could look like that. ....People were just shaking their heads" - Flex Wheeler, same article.

He also went on record three times mind you stating Joel Stubbs has the best back in bodybuilding history lol and he'd own at least two of Ronnie's Sandows

"I freaked out when I saw Ronnie. It was just hands down that he had first place. Hell, yeah, everyone did. There were a bunch of guys standing backstage looking at him. We couldn't do anything but stare"[/b]-Victor Martinez, page 352, Feb. 04 MD.

03 was no contest he was the clear winner , he's stating the obvious

"You could hear the thud as our jaws dropped to the floor when he came out onstage...His combination of mass and cuts were so awe inspiring. Ron Harris and I just kept rubbing our eyes. Here is a man reported to be 297 pounds the morning of the show and had every bit of cuts that a Mr. Olympia should have."- Carlon M. Colker, MD page 414, Feb. 04.

"(in reference to Ronnie's super dominant 2003 win) A judging panel comprised of Stevie Wonder, Helen Keller and Ray Charles could have gotten that call right"-same article

Again the general consensus of 03 was he was beyond belief

"he was so far ahead of everyone else I heard a rumour that his DNA actually tested positive for being an alien" - Hany Rambod, page, 356, MD feb. 04.

Again stating the obvious he was beyond his contemporaries

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
-Paul Dillett, page, 366 MD, Feb. 04.

(notice, no mention of dorian. only ronnie, flex, and sergio. dorian does not belong in that class of bodybuilders )

In reference of his showing of 03 he was right , Ronnie did set a new trend for size and ' conditioning ' the same way Yates did in 1993

"as to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come"[/b]
-Dexter Jackson, Flex, Jan. 04, page 52.

Again in referrence to his 03 Olympia win , he was the best bodybuilder on earth in 2003

"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet" [/b]
 - Kenny Kassel, IFBB official, Flex, Jan. O4 page 58

There are many more, but I think you get the picture...

yes its still hard to see these new muscles under his water & fat lol


again NOT one single quote saying Ronnie looks better live than in photos or video , Ronnie 2003 was from another planet , he was so far ahead of everyone else it wasn't funny , he did set the trend of amazing size and ' conditioning '

[suckmymuscle]

  This pic is so true. Here is Sperm, and he even has the Mongoloid eyelids of the Seminoles to prove his ancestry. I feel sorry for him, though, when he crosses the finish line and realizes that he's the only one who cares.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

Nice try but NOT one single mention of Ronnie looking better in person than he does in photos in videos , so NICE TRY but you've accomplished nothing  ( loser )

and why should there be? When in shape, ronnie's physique speaks for itself.

With dorian, even when he was in shape, he still looked like ass in many shots and in many bodyparts, hence the need to say such things.

ronnie is too good for that sort of thing.

its not necessary.

with dorian, it sure the hell is:

 

[NeoSeminole]

This pic is so true. Here is Sperm, and he even has the Mongoloid eyelids of the Seminoles to prove his ancestry. I feel sorry for him, though, when he crosses the finish line and realizes that he's the only one who cares.

monster irony considering you're the one who picks a fight with anyone you disagree with - even your own side.

[NarcissisticDeity]

and why should there be? When in shape, ronnie's physique speaks for itself.

With dorian, even when he was in shape, he still looked like ass in many shots and in many bodyparts, hence the need to say such things.

ronnie is too good for that sort of thing.

its not necessary.

with dorian, it sure the hell is:

 

Yawn old failed attempt to undermine the truth , and the truth is your opinion is limited and will never trump that of an eyewitness 

[pobrecito]

Why is Dorian's cranium the same size at Ray's torso 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Flex Jan 2004


Peter McGough


In 2003, he was much heavier and his stomach control was.... better--not perfect, but better. It had improved and, in the current bodybuilding landscape, that's all that was required.

At 287 pounds, on a 5'11" structure, Coleman presented an accumulation of muscle we have not seen before. Personally, I still feel his best-ever form was the harder and more detailed 247 pounds with which he won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic.

i.e. softer and less detailed

[Hulkster]

again NOT one single quote saying Ronnie looks better live than in photos or video , Ronnie 2003 was from another planet , he was so far ahead of everyone else it wasn't funny , he did set the trend of amazing size and ' conditioning

Are you actually arguing that just because we cannot FIND a quote saying that Ronnie looked better in person than on camera that means that it must be not be true and only true for dorian?

this has to be the stupidest thing I haver EVER heard.

 

thank god you were never on a debate team in school..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Are you actually arguing that just because we cannot FIND a quote saying that Ronnie looked better in person than on camera that means that it must be not be true and only true for dorian?

this has to be the stupidest thing I haver EVER heard.

 

thank god you were never on a debate team in school..

Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).

It applies to some and not others , again I just didn't stumble across ONE quote saying this it was at least FIVE and I never once read that about Ronnie , and the dumbest thing I ever heard was ' quotes mean nothing ' while sitting on your PC determining Yates' level of conditioning , no , no the dumbest thing I ever heard was Dorian's conditioning was a myth , no wait it was Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , no wait it was if someone publicly states someone should have lost that means they should lol

do I need to continue? 

[pobrecito]

Ronnie cannot match this:

[suckmymuscle]

yes, that is precisely what I'm saying. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand.

  Well, you're wrong. Taper in the front relaxed round is created by the shoulders, not the lats. The lats are barely visible here, and when assessing who has the best taper in this pose, I assure you the judges look at the width of the shoulders and not the lats. You can barely see the lats in this pose, you idiot. And who said that the shoulders don't taper down to the waist? Of course they do! Imagine an imaginary line going down linearly to the waist. What shape would it create? That's right: a V! So once again, I proved both you and usmoke wrong.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ;Dif only you realized how retarded you sound.

  I never said that Dorian's arms were exactly 21". Never! I said that Dorian's arms at his biggest were around 21", not that they were exactly 21". Wtf?! Do I need to explain this?! Do you really think that when I said Dorian had 21" arms I was thinking exactly 21"?! Since this concept seems to be complicated to you, I will explain it. People make approximations in life. It simplifies things. Dorian's arms could be 20.87", or 20.5" and I don't care. I said that they were 21" because that's a round up. The fact remains: Dorian's arms were much closer to 21" than 20". Unless you can prove me wrong, you have no game.

  And by the way, you're in no position to call anyone retarded after the brutal mathematical ownage I gave you on your retarded claims that Ronnie carried more lean mass at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia. God, that was stupid! I thought after that you would leave the thread in shame, but it seems like shame is a word that, like taper, doesen't figure on your dictionary!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

Ronnie cannot match this:

yes, he can:

[Necrosis]

 Usmoke, you have no right to critiize me, especially after I proved you wrong on our previous discussion. Taper is created by two things:

 1. Lat-to-waist ratio: Abs-and-thighs, front lat spread, rear lat spread.

 2. Shoulder-to-waist ratio: Relaxed front round, back relaxed round.

  For you to argue that the delts does not create taper in some angles and poses, you'd need to demonstrate that two men with similar waist girths but different delt widths, while standing relaxed from the front, would have similar tapers. I'm sorry, sport, but this is non-sensical. Broad shoulders are valued in men exactly because they give you better taper.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

you didnt prove anything wrong.

conditioning is created by low water and bf. seperations, cuts, striations and hardness increase with low bf and water hence are the criteria of conditioning that are used to validate conditioning. hmmmm..... keep the logic train going, making inferences about conditioning is also implying an estimate of water and bf(not precisely, this sport is not precise). to say he is better conditioned is to imply lower bf and water in some combo, which is then objectified by the visual criteria. if linearity mattered like you propose it does then hardness would be thrown out, cuts, etc since they arent linear.

hence if you comment on someones conditioning like you do by saying dorian is dry, people will say how do you know, you will reply "he is hard" hmmmm... sounds like you guys keep making inferences about levels of the two variables based on the criteria. now im using it for ronnie using sep, cuts, striations which are also criteria. you said you cant make inferences about bodyfat and water based on sep because of the non-linearity yet you do it with dorian when you imply he is bone dry, more then anyone based on a criteria, yet my hypothesis is WRONG. sorry it is right. judges use the criteria, then critique conditioning whilst implying water and bf.

if you cant look at bf and water from the criteria then how are you guys saying that dorian is dry? what measurement are you taking that im not privy too?

when you say hardness i will accept your apology.

i posted the definition of taper. you contend that the endpoints create taper. shoulder to waist. this is dead wrong. the definition is there for you to peruse.

to taper means to gradual increase or decrease not go from waist to shoulder which is two different measurements.

show me what definition your working from or how shoulder to waist show gradual change without refering to lats.

your wrong im sorry, there is only one truth. there is no debate about either of the above subjects.

to prove me wrong.

1)show me how you can say dorian is dry(water levels) without referring to the criteria

2)show me what definition your working with on taper, and please show the gradual increase from waist to shoulder without reference to the lats.

[pobrecito]

yes, he can:

Not even close. Ronnie's rear lat spread sucks compared to Diesel's.

Notice, Ronnie's rear delts blow, they are supposed to look like caps on the shoulder like Dorian's. Now look at Ronnie triceps, they are doughy and soft whereas Dorian's skin is shrink wrapped around his arms. Now look at the lower back, Dorian's is far, far thicker. This is likely due to his 830lbs offseason deadlifts. Finally, look at the calves. Ronnie suck. Probably the worst of all-time. Diesel built his using 1400lb calf raises.

[Necrosis]

sucky i just think your arguing for the sake of arguing now.

really you clearly said dorians arms were 21,  then you say that if exactly was used you would have been wrong.


when you state something in the affirmitive you imply exactness.


hmm if you said approx youd have a way out, but you dont.

[NeoSeminole]

Not even close. Ronnie's rear lat spread sucks compared to Diesel's.

Now look at the lower back, Dorian's is far, far thicker. This is likely due to his 830lbs offseason deadlifts. Finally, look at the calves. Ronnie suck. Probably the worst of all-time. Diesel built his using 1400lb calf raises.

where did Dorian's lower back go? It's so flat that you can't even see it in some of those pics.