Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[IceCold]

notice how the 'dorian 97 would still beat ronnie and win the MR. O" argument quietly died when these pics were posted:

not really.

i think it has more to do with the ACTUAL CONTEST RESULTS as well as nasser's own admission that he should not have won. 

ronnie had the best back double bi of the show (according the mcgough) and some of the best arms and taper in the show.

oh yeah, he finished NINTH.

[Hulkster]

what do the ACTUAL CONTEST RESULTS in 97 have anything to do with how dorian would have done looking like that in 99?

Ronnie 99 was not onstage in 97.

neither was 99 chris.

neither was Flex Wheeler.

 

dorian is just lucky that KOVACS was not onstage:

[IceCold]

what do the ACTUAL CONTEST RESULTS in 97 have anything to do with how dorian would have done looking like that in 99?

Ronnie 99 was not onstage in 97.

neither was 99 chris.

neither was Flex Wheeler.

 

dorian is just lucky that KOVACS was not onstage:

any other excuses you want to make instead of looking at the facts.

the facts are that yes, yates waist was wider than normal (for him) and his arms looked practically the same since 95, but he was not out of shape and showed the best combo of mass and conditioning - the same exact criteria ronnie won with 8 times; not arms, taper, etc. 

having the best back helps tremendously. 

[Hulkster]

LOL "not out of shape"?

 

if this is 'in shape' then dorian was even more overrated previously thought!

[Hulkster]

and this back is not that great:


especially compared to Ronnie Coleman.

[Hulkster]

I doubt if 97 dorian would have even received a call out against a peak Ronnie    It would be total domination on Ronnie's part.

I know you guys don't like to look at reality, and prefer just to use someone's opinion instead of looking with your own eyes, but I urge you to look at this difference:

It would not have been close:

[pobrecito]

Except that Dorian would dwarf Ronnie LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

definition certainly implies being ripped and dry, but it does not mean the same as conditioning. You even said yourself that when someone is off, they say he missed his conditioning. They don't say he missed his definition. If both terms are synonymous, then you should be able to substitute one for the other.

oh give me a f*cking break! The length of bones? Is that what proportion really means? So you've been nitpicking at something that you can't even see this whole time?
 
If I have to accept Flex's opinion about owning a couple of Ronnie's sandows in order for his comment that Ronnie would beat Dorian to hold true, then so be it. At least I'm not a hypocrite who picks which quotes he accepts and ignores.

you assume that "contender" = tie. Peter McGough was saying that Dorian would be a challenge for Ronnie. However, he quickly dispels any doubt in the reader's mind by saying 01 ASC Ronnie is unbeatable.

definition certainly implies being ripped and dry, but it does not mean the same as conditioning. You even said yourself that when someone is off, they say he missed his conditioning. They don't say he missed his definition. If both terms are synonymous, then you should be able to substitute one for the other.

I'm telling you the terms are synonymous , they all basically mean the same thing , definition is an old term that isn't really used anymore

oh give me a f*cking break! The length of bones? Is that what proportion really means? So you've been nitpicking at something that you can't even see this whole time?

Look Neo you're dead fucking wrong on this and have been soundly proven wrong by me , I posted three totally different judging criterion and all three specifically mentioned BALANCE & PROPORTION as separate entities , you're wrong period and again my point is how can you guys comment on things that you're ignorant of? and yes part of it is length of bones and you can most certainly see them , and Ronnie is a perfect example long legs , short torso , long limbs , etc

If I have to accept Flex's opinion about owning a couple of Ronnie's sandows in order for his comment that Ronnie would beat Dorian to hold true, then so be it. At least I'm not a hypocrite who picks which quotes he accepts and ignores.

you assume that "contender" = tie. Peter McGough was saying that Dorian would be a challenge for Ronnie. However, he quickly dispels any doubt in the reader's mind by saying 01 ASC Ronnie is unbeatable.

No you are a hypocrite because you've dismissed quotes all along until you found some that worked for you and I've always used them and again I'm not hypocrite I posted the McGough quote to begin with , meaning I don't run from quotes pro or con , I didn't have to post that quote and you'd have nothing to cling onto the difference is I can accept it for what it is and thats a personal opinion and its not an absolute , and I do respect his opinion but I can go an back and post all the NEGATIVE remarks of McGough posted by Coleman-groupies after I posted quotes regarding Yates , his opinions worthless , he's biased , he's blind . he's lying , etc , etc , but now it works in you guys favor and its a favorite thats hypocritical

And while he may feel Ronnie 2001 is ' unbeatable ' it doesn't mean he his  Dorian at 269 pounds has way to man advantages over any Ronnie to be denied in MY personal opinion so in the end its still a subjective opinion

[suckmymuscle]

Ronnie hadn't reached his all-time best conditioning when he competed against Dorian. So it's unfair to compare them during Dorian's reign. However, several people including Peter McGough regard 01 ASC Ronnie's conditioning to rank among the best ever.

  But Dorian's conditioning is the best ever! Sorry, sport, but your boy never became famous for his conditioning. That is just plainly a fact. Conversely, Dorian's 1993/5/6 Olympia winning forms are ranked as the best ever by several bodybuilding writers and judges.

where did you answer this before? You certainly didn't mention grain in any of your responses to me. So don't act like I'm an idiot for not knowing.

  Oh, I most certainly mentioned grain before. Several times. In fact, I gave a lenghy explanation to Usmoke regarding how it's unfair to say that Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian in virtue of him having more overral separations, because Dorian has more grain.

Furthermore, what you refer to as "grain" is mostly acne on Dorian. Anyone can achieve that look if they have bumps all over their body.

  So are you saying that a fat guy holding water would look grainy if he had lots of acne in his skin? You just broke the bank in stupidity for this one.

I disagree that separations and striations are genetic. If anything, it simply means that a person carries less fat and water in certain areas. Flex Wheeler is a good example of this. His quads were usually very defined, which implies good conditioning. However, his glutes and lower back were typically smooth hence his overall conditioning wasn't as good.

  Ready to get owned? Well, sport, separations are most definitely genetic to some extent, because there is such a thibg as overral bodyfat and separations. Assume two guys, both at 3% bodyfat. Now, the bodyfat refers to overral fat, right? So, if separations are not partially genetic, then they would show the exact same number of separations overral for the same amount of bodyfat. Sure, one guy would have more separations here and the other there, but overral their number of separations would be the exact fucking thing for the same given amount of bodyfat. Since it's not, your theory is downright wrong and you got owned yet again.

I didn't even know you challenged me to enter the Mr. Getbig contest. I'll think about it. Right now, it's not on my priority list.

  Not feeling so confident now, huh, dipshit? You posted your pics a few months ago and challenged me to a posedown; now that I'm returning the favor by challenging you at a competition that actually means something, and you weasel out with the bullshit excuse that you'll thinbk about it and that it's not in your priority list. What's in your priority list, dipshit? Licking the spooge out of Coleman's crotch?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Necrosis]

I doubt if 97 dorian would have even received a call out against a peak Ronnie    It would be total domination on Ronnie's part.

I know you guys don't like to look at reality, and prefer just to use someone's opinion instead of looking with your own eyes, but I urge you to look at this difference:

It would not have been close:

dude the pics clearly show ronnie winning, easily, but they will deny it and post irrelavent quotes that have nothing to do with peak ronnie vs peak dorian.

the only quotes that are relevant are ronnies side anyway. they take into account a peak yates, something the yates quotes(majority) cannot do.

the pics show the reality, ronnie wins, and imo quite convincingly.

[Hulkster]

Except that Dorian would dwarf Ronnie LOL

yes, dorian was 270 pounds of Kovacs-ian muscle in 1997!

 

what good is being bigger when you look like this?

[pobrecito]

Which mandatory is that?

Why don't you post ALL the fucking comparisons instead of posting those that only suit your sick agenda?

Side triceps, ab/thigh, front lat, rear lat, rear double bi, Dorian wins all those.

The evidence posted after page 500, the pictures, the quotes, it's all too much pointing towards Yates' dominance.

[IceCold]

Which mandatory is that?

Why don't you post ALL the fucking comparisons instead of posting those that only suit your sick agenda?

why dont you post a picture that has somewhat similar quality to any of the newest, digital pics of coleman?


-for ronnie, you post only digitial pics and fake ones at that.

-for dorian, you make sure its of bad quality. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, dorian was 270 pounds of Kovacs-ian muscle in 1997!

 

what good is being bigger when you look like this?

You know this is typical of you and typical of what you're working with Yates ( no matter what year ) should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Yates , Dorian crushes him and your boy in 1997

[suckmymuscle]

if you accept that quote, then you must also accept his opinion that Ronnie would beat Dorian.

  McGough never said that Ronnie would defeat Dorian at his best. He said that:

"Ronnie sporting that form, I think, would be unbeatable and silence all his critics."

  This means that he is giving his opinion, and not stating a fact. He leaves the possibility open that he's wrong. Compare that to what he said about Dorian's conditioning:

  "No bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."

  That's a completely different phrasing: when talking about Ronnie's invincibility, he's giving his opinion, while in refards to Dorian's conditioning he's stating a fact.

  So yes, I do accept McGough affirmations on both cases.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
  

[IceCold]

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notice a difference between the pics you post and the ones that are similar to quality of ronnie?

no, wonder nasser (not you or bowflex) said yates was the deserving winner.

[Hulkster]

Which mandatory is that?

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its a pose called for in the symmetry round you retard!  Its one of the quarter turns...

have you ever even WATCHED a bodybuilding contest?

or do you just read about them like ND?

 

[Hulkster]

why dont you post a picture that has somewhat similar quality to any of the newest, digital pics of coleman?


-for ronnie, you post only digitial pics and fake ones at that.

-for dorian, you make sure its of bad quality. 

this pic is of great quality:

 

what is your excuse now? that it must be "fake too"

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yates was clearly off but you post a bad pic or two and think thats sums up the whole contest it doesn't , I personally think he should have lost but in some poses he looks like business as usual

[NarcissisticDeity]

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its a pose called for in the symmetry round you retard!  Its one of the quarter turns...

have you ever even WATCHED a bodybuilding contest?

or do you just read about them like ND?

 

I know more about competitive bodybuilding than ALL of you combined , your the idiot who said Lee Labrada has crappy calves and abs lol and Matt Mendenhall was blocky and Ronnie has better balance than Dorian , you should do yourself a favor kid and READ about bodybuilding instead of acting like you know what you're talking about .

[IceCold]

this pic is of great quality:

 

what is your excuse now? that it must be "fake too"

 

dumbass,

i was refering to your 97 pics.

[NarcissisticDeity]

dumbass,

i was refering to your 97 pics.

owned !

[IceCold]

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its a pose called for in the symmetry round you retard!  Its one of the quarter turns...

have you ever even WATCHED a bodybuilding contest?

or do you just read about them like ND?

 

[suckmymuscle]

sure.

  He is giving his opinion, and I find that an odd opinion because he also said in FLEX that:

 "No man has ever beeen as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows"

  So the fact that he said that Ronnie is more shredded either contradicts his previous claims or he doesen't equate hardness&dryness with being "shredded". Odd. Maybe he meant that Ronnie is more defined, but Dorian is the most conditioned overral? Who knows. McGough is not being consistent here.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

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LOL

super wide waist.

twigs on a barrel arms

blobs for quads.

great lats.

nothing that we didn't already know about dorian 97 here...