I never said anything about aged skin, you dumbass. I said that Dorian's "grainy" appearance is the result of bad skin. Acne falls under that category. I mentioned bodybuilders with good skin who matched or exceeded Dorian's conditioning, and none of them looked grainy.
I have observed that you quote the parts from my post where you feel you can still argue, and ignore the things you can't reply to because you got owned.

Anyway, you did say that a suntanner at 12% bodyfat looks "grainy". You even mentioned that a "leathery" appearance is the result of bad skin. A suntanner has prematuraly aged skin, which is the reason why I made the association. You then mentioned that Andreas Munzer was more conditioned than Dorian, and yet lacked grain. I pointed it out to you that there are several bodybuilders who stepped onstage covered in acne, and yet none of them were refered to as "grainy" either. You failed to address this, as usual.
Regardless, you asserted that acne only makes one look grainy when bodyfat and water levels are low. I personally don't believe that's true, because a skinny guy with acne or an obese man with acne, neither are refered to as "grainy". Ergo, I see no logical relationship between acne and looking grainy. But let's assume there is. So, if a guy looks grainier when he's lean and muscular than when he is covered in fat, then you are conceding that Dorian's graininess is at least partially the result of low subcutaneous fat and water levels. Conversely, if there is no logical correlation between the acne and graininess, then Dorian's graininess is totally the result of things other than acne. NeoSeminole, it is not may fault that your arguments are retarded and that I point out the logical innacuracies in them.
I agree that having extremely low body fat and water levels will cause the skin to change texture. However, I doubt it would result in the skin to become covered in bumps as characterized by "grainyness." I believe Dorian's acne made the change in his skin's appearance more pronounced, which made it seem like he was grainy.
But if this is the case, then why doesen't a skinny man with his body coverered in acne look grainier than an obese one whos'a lso covered by it? Personally, I see no logical connection between both things. I think Dorian had the capacity to show more texture of his muscle fibers through the ski tha ay other bodybuilder. This was partially the result o his unusually low subcutaneous fat and water level and partially genetic. It is statistically unlikely that Dorian had acne distributed uniformely throughout this body, and since his grain was uniform, it is unlikely that acne would explain it.
I never said I would enter the Mr. Getbig contest. I can't wait to see your pics after you diet down and realize how much size you lose when you're starved and dehydrated. 
If you don't enter the Mr.Getbig, then you're my bodybuilding bitch and not only itellectual bitch. And for any reply you might have for this one, I'm going to quote you: excuses, excuses, excuses...

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