Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Iceman1981]

It's not worth my time arguing with these 2 morons. Cya Pillsbury yates Doughboys

[Hulkster]

I would sure like to see ND go on those threads and tell everyone who voted for Ronnie that they are all biased, dumb and don't know squat about bodybuilding.

yeah, that would be hilarious. LOL

he would get crushed even more than he is on this board LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

there is no concrete evidence for UFO's.

there is lots of concrete evidence that Ronnie is better than Dorian. Some of it was shown in the polls where dorian was crushed.

Please tell me you are smart enough to understand this difference? I really hope so..

LMFAO please I've seen pictures of UFOS I've seen pictures of aliens , stories of abductions etc and again your ' concrete evidence ' is PERSONAL OPINION which happens to be the popular opinion still doesn't make it right , I knew you weren't that bright Hulkster but come on your making me question your Universities abilities lol

[suckmymuscle]

In case you haven't noticed, this thread is about public opinion. The public voted for Ronnie. Do you get it now?

  No, this thread is not about public opinion; is is about deciding what would actually transpire if Dorian at his best faced Ronnie at his best in an I.F.B.B bodybuilding stage. In this case, popular opinion is irrelevant since there is a an objective criteria to decide the winner, and Dorian fullfils it better than Coleman.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

I can't refute logic and common sense so let me run in shame now I bow down to the superior intellect[/b]

I fixed that for you 

[NarcissisticDeity]

yeah, that would be hilarious. LOL

he would get crushed even more than he is on this board LOL

WOW internet-crushed by weak logic and popular opinion and slanted comaparsions lol damn looks like you got me this time Hulkster lol 

[NarcissisticDeity]

  No, this thread is not about public opinion; is is about deciding what would actually transpire if Dorian at his best faced Ronnie at his best in an I.F.B.B bodybuilding stage. In this case, popular opinion is irrelevant since there is a an objective criteria to decide the winner, and Dorian fullfils it better than Coleman.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Great post !

[suckmymuscle]

Sure. when yates loose in the polls it doesn't mean anything, LOL.

  I means several things. It means that more ignorant people think that Ronnie is better than Dorian. It means that Dorian won his last Olympia  a decade ago while Ronnie is still competing in it. As they say "out of sight, out of mind". It means that no one of these people are official I.F.B.B judges, so I don't really care what they say.

Like I said. Start a new thread about how bad a 03 Ronnie looked (as you said). You brought up the topic. Be a man and do it.

  Ugh...dumbass...I have already stated that most people prefer Coleman over Dorian, especially his 2003 Olympia form. So why should I start a poll if I already conceded that Ronnie would win? The point that you don't seem to grasp, no matter how many times I explain this to you, is that it doesen't matter that Ronnie defeats Dorian in polls because they are basing this on their preference, and that there is a criteria to decide who win. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

In this case, popular opinion is irrelevant since there is a an objective criteria to decide the winner, and Dorian fullfils it better than Coleman

not according to the majority of the bodybuilding community...

[suckmymuscle]

not according to most bodybuilding fans.

  Sow me the I.F.B.B judging credentials of the bodybuilding fans and I will reconsider my stance.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

  Sow me the I.F.B.B judging credentials of the bodybuilding fans and I will reconsider my stance.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

well, one big thing that they have working for them is that they can be objective because they are not getting a paycheck from the company who owns the entire organization...eg. if a judge thought dorian looked like garbage, but gets paid from Joe Weider who wants dorian to win, what is the judge going to do? score him down? no fucking way.

secondly, show me the "credentials" of a bb judge..lol 

[suckmymuscle]

well, one big thing that they have working for them is that they can be objective because they are not getting a paycheck from the company who owns the entire organization...eg. if a judge thought dorian looked like garbage, but gets paid from Joe Weider who wants dorian to win, what is the judge going to do? score him down? no fucking way.

secondly, show me the "credentials" of a bb judge..lol 

  Oh, please! Now you're joining Pumpy and his conspiracy theories? Guesss what, sport: I can use the same argument for Ronnie. Why did he win in 2001 despite losing the muscularity and symmetry rounds to Cutler? Why did he get straight-firsts scores in 2000 if his conditioning was clearly off? And you still have provided no evidence whatsoever that Dorian won because Uncle Joe wanted him to. We need to asssume that the judges are always fair and unbiased, otherwise all bodybuilding decisions are suspect.

SUCKMYMUSCL

[NeoSeminole]

this thread is not about public opinion; is is about deciding what would actually transpire if Dorian at his best faced Ronnie at his best in an I.F.B.B bodybuilding stage. In this case, popular opinion is irrelevant since there is a an objective criteria to decide the winner, and Dorian fullfils it better than Coleman.

such bullshit. What criteria does Dorian satisfy better than Ronnie?

- less muscularity?
- worse symmetry? (after he tore his bicep?)
- less separations and striations?
- bigger midsection?
- worse taper?

those are all negative attributes in a bodybuilding contest which Dorian fulfills better than Ronnie.

[NeoSeminole]

Suckmyasshole has really gone off the deep end.

I could dwarf Coleman if I took the amount of drugs that he takes and dedicated myself 24/7 to bodybuilding.

[suckmymuscle]

such bullshit. What criteria does Dorian satisfy better than Ronnie?

- less muscularity?

  Dorian and Ronnie are equal in muscularity at their respective bests.

- worse symmetry? (after he tore his bicep?)

  Dorian actually has better symmetry than Ronnie ever had, and the biceps comprises only 3% of the muscle mass of the Human body.

- less separations and striations?

  But Dorian is granite-hard, while Ronnie is not. And striations are not part of the official bodybuilding criteria.

- bigger midsection?

  Dorian and Ronnie had equal midsections at their respective bests and Ronnie's was worse in 2003.

- worse taper?

  From the front, yes. But Dorian's taper was better than Ronnie's in the front lat spread and abs-and-thighs. From the back, they were roughly equivalent.

those are all negative attributes in a bodybuilding contest which Dorian fulfills better than Ronnie.

  Too bad that everything you wrote is incorrect. So you can keep reaching for the stars, SemenHole, and I will keep bringing you back to Earth.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Suckmyasshole has really gone off the deep end.

  Wha is wrong with that statment, SemenHole? I am 5 inches taller than Ronnie and have much thicker bones than he has. There is no question that I could be bigger than Coleman if I took as many drugs as he does and trained non-stop for 20 years. Greg Kovacs is an inch shorter than me and has weighted a relatively lean 400 lbs.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Dorian and Ronnie are equal in muscularity at their respective bests.

no, they are not equal in muscularity at their respective bests. Ronnie in 03 outweighed 95 Dorian by 30 lbs. Since muscle weighs more than either water or fat, and Jay in 03 weighed close to 260 lbs (Dorian's weight), it's safe to assume a better conditioned Dorian would look even smaller at the same weight since muscle takes up less space.

Dorian actually has better symmetry than Ronnie ever had, and the biceps comprises only 3% of the muscle mass of the Human body.

wrong, Dorian had a torn bicep, missing upper pecs, a huge barrel torso and narrow quads. At best, Dorian had comparable symmetry issues as Ronnie.

But Dorian is granite-hard, while Ronnie is not. And striations are not part of the official bodybuilding criteria.

muscular definition is part of the official IFBB judging criteria. Show me where it asks for granite hardness.

Dorian and Ronnie had equal midsections at their respective bests and Ronnie's was worse in 2003.

not on stage (you know? Where the actual judging takes place).

From the front, yes. But Dorian's taper was better than Ronnie's in the front lat spread and abs-and-thighs. From the back, they were roughly equivalent.

Ronnie has better taper in the following poses:

- front relaxed
- back relaxed
- front double biceps
- back double biceps
- back lat spread

[Hulkster]

and the biceps comprises only 3% of the muscle mass of the Human body.

on dorian it was more like 0.4%

 

[suckmymuscle]

on dorian it was more like 0.4%

 

  Which makes the issue of his biceps even less relevant.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

no, they are not equal in muscularity at their respective bests. Ronnie in 03 outweighed 95 Dorian by 30 lbs. Since muscle weighs more than either water or fat, and Jay in 03 weighed close to 260 lbs (Dorian's weight), it's safe to assume a better conditioned Dorian would look even smaller at the same weight since muscle takes up less space.

wrong, Dorian had a torn bicep, missing upper pecs, a huge barrel torso and narrow quads. At best, Dorian had comparable symmetry issues as Ronnie.

muscular definition is part of the official IFBB judging criteria. Show me where it asks for granite hardness.

not on stage (you know? Where the actual judging takes place).

Ronnie has better taper in the following poses:

- front relaxed
- back relaxed
- front double biceps
- back double biceps
- back lat spread

  I have already responded to this a gazillion times. Sometimes I think you either just ignore my posts or pretend that I haven't addressed this before. Just like when I owned you for your idiotic claims about 1999 Olympia Ronnie vs 2001 ACS and you remained silent.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Which makes the issue of his biceps even less relevant.

actually, it's the other way around. If biceps are supposed to comprise 3% of the body (according to you) yet on Dorian only makes up 0.4%, then his biceps are too small for him. This means they would be a liability for him. Nice try kiddo.

[suckmymuscle]

 Here's a list of retarded things that the Coleman spooge-suckers have claiming several times:

- That Ronnie was more dominant than Dorian, even though Dorian had five out of six straight-firsts Olympia victories while he had less.

- That Dorian's gut at the 1995 Olympia was worse than that of Coleman at the 2003 Olympia.

- That Coleman carried more lean muscle mass at 247 lbs than at 257 lbs, even though Coleman was at 3% bodyfat at 257lbs.

- That Dorian should have lost the Olympia due to his torn biceps, which comprises 3% of the muscle mass of a Human body

- That a 260 lbs Dorian carried less lean muscle mass than a 247 lbs Coleman, even though they had about equal bodyfat levels and that their difference in skeletel frame weight was at best 5 lbs.

- That things look in a photography exactly how they look in loco,  thus claiming that I was using a "photoelectric effect" explanation for why Dorian looked best in person than on pics.

  I grew tired of arguing with the Coleman fans because they are fanatics who don't respond to reason, logic and common sense. Not only that, most of them are biased towards the 2003 showing of Coleman, his second worse performance ever besides 2004.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

  This si a great post that SemenHole, Huckster and the rest of the cadre simply ignored, as susual, because they have nothing to respond.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

well, one big thing that they have working for them is that they can be objective because they are not getting a paycheck from the company who owns the entire organization...eg. if a judge thought dorian looked like garbage, but gets paid from Joe Weider who wants dorian to win, what is the judge going to do? score him down? no fucking way.

secondly, show me the "credentials" of a bb judge..lol 

This statement shows how little you know about competitive bodybuilding MAN you're clueless lol judges DO NOT I repeat DO NOT get paid to judge contests , they are reimbursed for travel expenses and such but they take home NO pay for judging , kid you're looking very stupid right now lol

[NeoSeminole]

I have already responded to this a gazillion times.

you have never responded to any of those comments. All you do is post nonsense without visual evidence or relevant quotes to back it up. Then you make up lame excuses not to respond when someone refutes you.

[suckmymuscle]

actually, it's the other way around. If biceps are supposed to comprise 3% of the body (according to you) yet on Dorian only makes up 0.4%, then his biceps are too small for him. This means they would be a liability for him. Nice try kiddo.

  So having 0.4% of the body's muscle mass defective is more relevant than having 3% of the body's muscle mass defective?

SUCKMYMUSCLE