Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[suckmymuscle]

And perhaps we should make a poll to decide who won the argument battle, Team Coleman or Team Yates, because it's already been proven that it is impossible to decide which bodybuilder is better. My vote is for Team Coleman.

  Oh wow, now that's an easy one. The Dorian side presented:

 - Solid argumentation with data, logic and deep analyses while taking into consideration how judges score a contest, analysing how each competitor would do agains the other in the three angles of the symmetry round and the six mandatories.

 - Over 400 pictures of both competitors at their best.

 - Quotes from official I.F.B.B judges and bodybuilding specialists supporting the hypothesis that Dorian was a more dominant Mr.olympia than Ronnie.

  The Ronnie side provided:

 - Poor arguments based on preference and not on what the judges are looking for, and which take into consideration only minutiae aspects of a physique. Ex: "Ronnie is better because he has shape and detail.".(Hulkster)

 - Comparisons between the two Sandow winners where the pictures have different scales, the lighting is hitting their physiqes from different angles and the camera that shot the pictures had different contrast.(NeoSeminole).

 - Mono phrases of support completely devoid of content, inferences, analyses and which probably also reveals simple preference. Ex:"Ronnie is better than Dorian."(Matt C).

 - Selectively posting the best shots of Coleman from the 1998/9 Olympias against the worst shots of Dorian from Dorian's worst Olympia performance, 1994.(Pumpster)

 - Posting the result of polls favoring Ronnie, which againn reveals preference, because what people choose and what the judges choose is not always the same, thus making predicting what the judges would decide in a confrontation of Dorian vs Ronnie at their bests with poll results pointless.(Iceman)

 - Selectively boosting the importance of Ronnie's advantages while downplaying those of Dorian. The best example is conditioning. Muscle hardness, at which Dorian excels, is just as important as separations and striations, but the Coleman fans claim that Ronnie is more conditioned because he's more separated and striated.(NeoSeminole)

  Oh geez, let me think who won this argument...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[slaveboy1980]

  Oh wow, now that's an easy one. The Dorian side presented:

 - Solid argumentation with data, logic and deep analyses while taking into consideration how judges score a contest, analysing how each competitor would do agains the other in the three angles of the symmetry round and the six mandatories.

 - Over 400 pictures of both competitors at their best.

 - Quotes from official I.F.B.B judges and bodybuilding specialists supporting the hypothesis that Dorian was a more dominant Mr.olympia than Ronnie.

  The Ronnie side provided:

 - Poor arguments based on preference and not on what the judges are looking for, and which take into consideration only minutiae aspects of a physique. Ex: "Ronnie is better because he has shape and detail.".(Hulkster)

 - Comparisons between the two Sandow winners where the pictures have different scales, the lighting is hitting their physiqes from different angles and the camera that shot the pictures had different contrast.(NeoSeminole).

 - Mono phrases of support completely devoid of content, inferences, analyses and which probably also reveals simple preference. Ex:"Ronnie is better than Dorian."(Matt C).

 - Selectively posting the best shots of Coleman from the 1998/9 Olympias against the worst shots of Dorian from Dorian's worst Olympia performance, 1994.(Pumpster)

 - Posting the result of polls favoring Ronnie, which againn reveals preference, because what people choose and what the judges choose is not always the same, thus making predicting what the judges would decide in a confrontation of Dorian vs Ronnie at their bests with poll results pointless.(Iceman)

 - Selectively boosting the importance of Ronnie's advantages while downplaying those of Dorian. The best example is conditioning. Muscle hardness, at which Dorian excels, is just as important as separations and striations, but the Coleman fans claim that Ronnie is more conditioned because he's more separated and striated.(NeoSeminole)

  Oh geez, let me think who won this argument...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

coleman > yates

only took one page to decide that.

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Oh wow, now that's an easy one. The Dorian side presented:

 - Solid argumentation with data, logic and deep analyses while taking into consideration how judges score a contest, analysing how each competitor would do agains the other in the three angles of the symmetry round and the six mandatories.

 - Over 400 pictures of both competitors at their best.

 - Quotes from official I.F.B.B judges and bodybuilding specialists supporting the hypothesis that Dorian was a more dominant Mr.olympia than Ronnie.

  The Ronnie side provided:

 - Poor arguments based on preference and not on what the judges are looking for, and which take into consideration only minutiae aspects of a physique. Ex: "Ronnie is better because he has shape and detail.".(Hulkster)

 - Comparisons between the two Sandow winners where the pictures have different scales, the lighting is hitting their physiqes from different angles and the camera that shot the pictures had different contrast.(NeoSeminole).

 - Mono phrases of support completely devoid of content, inferences, analyses and which probably also reveals simple preference. Ex:"Ronnie is better than Dorian."(Matt C).

 - Selectively posting the best shots of Coleman from the 1998/9 Olympias against the worst shots of Dorian from Dorian's worst Olympia performance, 1994.(Pumpster)

 - Posting the result of polls favoring Ronnie, which againn reveals preference, because what people choose and what the judges choose is not always the same, thus making predicting what the judges would decide in a confrontation of Dorian vs Ronnie at their bests with poll results pointless.(Iceman)

 - Selectively boosting the importance of Ronnie's advantages while downplaying those of Dorian. The best example is conditioning. Muscle hardness, at which Dorian excels, is just as important as separations and striations, but the Coleman fans claim that Ronnie is more conditioned because he's more separated and striated.(NeoSeminole)

  Oh geez, let me think who won this argument...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Great post ! I mean suckmymuscle knows how to present his case !

[slaveboy1980]

Great post ! I mean suckmymuscle knows how to present his case !

waste his time id say 

your subjective view is that dorian was better than ronnie.

most people would say ronnie>dorian

thus ronnie > dorian

why? because this isnt science.

[NarcissisticDeity]

waste his time id say 

your subjective view is that dorian was better than ronnie.

most people would say ronnie>dorian

thus ronnie > dorian

why? because this isnt science.

No I agree with you that who is better is subjective and I've always maintained Ronnie could beat Dorian ( something the other side can't admit ) but some things are not subjective such as who has better balance & proportion , who has better density & conditioning I think I proved my case in these departments .

Most people think Ronnie > Dorian so its true? thats very poor logic thats known as the argument ad populum , just because a large portion of people believe something doesn't make its true

75% of people believe in UFOS so UFO are true lol it doesn't work that way.

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[suckmymuscle]

waste his time id say 

your subjective view is that dorian was better than ronnie.

  No, it is not subjective, and this is where your reasoning goes astray. It's not like the judges are allowed to choose apples at one contest and oranges at another. There is a criteria, and the guys who wins is not the one who has the most of this or that, or has the best of this or that, but the guy who has the best blend of size, symmetry and conditioning. In other words, the process that decides the winner of a bodybuilding contest is alsmost mathematical with the guy who has the most pluses and the least minuses coming out as the winner.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[slaveboy1980]

  No, it is not subjective, and this is where your reasoning goes astray. It's not like the judges are allowed to choose apples at one contest and oranges at another. There is a criteria, and the guys who wins is not the one who has the most of this or that, or has the best of this or that, but the guy who has the best blend of size, symmetry and conditioning. In other words, the process that decides the winner of a bodybuilding contest is alsmost mathematical with the guy who has the most pluses and the least minuses coming out as the winner.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

ronnie would win when in top shape. case closed. 

to be honest i think a cormier in top shape would destroy dorian too.

dorian was always a big inspiration for me during the 90s but i dont let that cloud my judgement.

[Iceman1981]

  Oh wow, now that's an easy one. The Dorian side presented:

  - Over 400 pictures of both competitors at their best.

 - Quotes from official I.F.B.B judges and bodybuilding specialists supporting the hypothesis that Dorian was a more dominant Mr.olympia than Ronnie.

  - Posting the result of polls favoring Ronnie, which againn reveals preference, because what people choose and what the judges choose is not always the same, thus making predicting what the judges would decide in a confrontation of Dorian vs Ronnie at their bests with poll results pointless.(Iceman)

 
SUCKMYMUSCLE

Comparisons:
Many comparisons used by the Ronnie side where Ronnie beats yates in most of the mandatories. Where as the yates side refuses or rarely uses comparisons to prove their point in a visual judged sport. Yeah, that comparisons are really pointless  

Quotes from official I.F.B.B judges bodybuilders and bodybuilding specialists supporting the hypothesis that Dorian was a more dominant Mr.olympia than Ronnie:
1) Flex stating that Ronnie is the most biggest, hardest, shredded bodybuilder in history. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

2) Jean Pierre Fux stating that Ronnie has the best physique ever. Jean has competed against both guys:

"Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

3) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia stating that Ronnie has presented a physique that could not be equaled (which also means that Ronnie has surpassed "everyone", that includes your hero yates):

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

4) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website for the 2000 Mr. Olympia

"Many people in the sport have also talked about the fact that Ronnie Coleman may be the best Mr. Olympia ever!"

5) George De Pirro Flex Senior Editor Says that Ronnie is the most dominant pro bodybuilder of all-time:

FLEX Article talking about bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman) from 96-06 Mr. O

"Anyone who denies Coleman's dominion over the past decade is truly kidding himself."

"The fact that the two contests under consideration basically bookend his reign at the top further solidifies his claim as the most dominating pro bodybuilder of all time."

6) Ron Harris says that Ronnie is tied with Haney as the greatest Mr. Olympia ever:

Ronnie Coleman - Bodybuilder Profile - 8X Mr. Olympia
A living legend in our sport
By Ron Harris
http://www.bodybuilderprofiles.com/ronnie-coleman.htm

"280-pound Ronnie emerged triumphant and joined Haney as the greatest Olympia champion ever."

7) Steve Blechman states that Ronnie is the greatest Mr. Olympia of all-time:

MD, page 44, Feb. 04, -Steve Blechman: "Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"

MR. OLYMPIA: EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED
By: SHAWN PERINE
http://www.flexonline.com/news/245

"The man many consider the greatest bodybuilder who’s ever lived (Cutler himself has paid Coleman such a tribute) will no doubt squeeze every last ounce of potential from his superannuated self in his fight to regain his supremacy."

9) BACK TO WORK
http://www.flexonline.com/training/97

"He’s still, in the estimation of many, the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

10) Dan Soloman on Ronnie Coleman 2003 at the 2004 Mr. Olympia:

“Last year Ronnie Coleman presented what we thought was the most extraordinary overall package in the history of the sport.”

11) Ben Weider – 2005 Mr Olympia:

“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”

12) Allan Donnelly  - Flex Issue November 2007 – Day In The Life Of Ronnie Coleman:

“In bodybuilding there has been no greater champion than Ronnie Coleman.”

“But he emerged – seemingly from nowhere - as perhaps the most dominant force the sport has ever seen.”

“I can’t help but wonder if the man who could be remembered as the greatest bodybuilder in history has one more great performance yet to give.”

13) Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that.

14) Dave Palumbo at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie Coleman is the greatest Mr. Olympia champion of All-Time. He has the most career wins.”

15) Dan Soloman & Gunter Schlierkamp at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“We are watching arguably the greatest bodybuilder of All-time compete possibly in his final contest.”

“Ronnie Coleman at his very best was the greatest bodybuilder to ever live and it’s going to be a long time until someone comes along and prove other wise.

Gunter Schlierkamp: Yes.”

16) David Robson - 2007 Mr. Olympia Review:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson315.htm

“Not the perfect ending for Ronnie but he will leave the sport secure in the knowledge that he is the greatest pro bodybuilder ever to grace the stage.”

17) Bob Cicherillo - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Show #90, October 1, 2007:

“What we just witnessed was history in the making. Ronnie would stop short of saying that he is the greatest of All-Time. I actually took that opportunity to say, you know what Ronnie, you can say it man. You are the best bodybuilder of All-Time.”

18) Peter McGough stating that Ronnie in his prime is unbeatable. Peter has seen both guys in their prime:

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that (01 ASC) look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."


Yeah, yates has more quotes stating he is the most dominant Mr. Olympia 
Give us all a break and get the hell out of here with your garbage posts.

Polls:

Well, let's see here. This thread is about who would win at their best. Since there are no judges judging this thread on who would win at their best, the judging is up to the fans. The fans voted and guess what? Ronnie won multiple times on different websites using pics of both bodybuilders in their prime. Yeah, that results are really pointless  

[Hulkster]

75% of people believe in UFOS so UFO are true lol it doesn't work that way.

yes it does.

the fact that you are too stupid to learn anything is sad.

for the 5 billionth time, there is no credible proof that UFO's exist, or angels or whatever else you like to try and make a faulty analogy with.

However, with Ronnie vs Dorian, fans, pros and industry insiders and experts agree:

there is lots of credible proof Ronnie was better.

here is just a small sample of the mountain of evidence so compelling, your only line of defense was to claim it was fake and that dorian really didn't look that bad in person..

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes it does.

the fact that you are too stupid to learn anything is sad.

for the 5 billionth time, there is no credible proof that UFO's exist, or angels or whatever else you like to try and make a faulty analogy with.

However, with Ronnie vs Dorian, fans, pros and industry insiders and experts agree:

there is lots of credible proof Ronnie was better.

here is just a small sample of the mountain of evidence so compelling, your only line of defense was to claim it was fake and that dorian really didn't look that bad in person..

 

Your OPINION is NOT credible evidence sorry slick you look at a picture and think Ronnie is clearly winning , I look at the same picture and say Ronnie is clearly losing , stop trying to pass your opinion off as something more than it is .

[Hulkster]

Comparisons:
Many comparisons used by the Ronnie side where Ronnie beats yates in most of the mandatories. Where as the yates side refuses or rarely uses comparisons to prove their point in a visual judged sport. Yeah, that comparisons are really pointless  

Quotes from official I.F.B.B judges bodybuilders and bodybuilding specialists supporting the hypothesis that Dorian was a more dominant Mr.olympia than Ronnie:
1) Flex stating that Ronnie is the most biggest, hardest, shredded bodybuilder in history. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

2) Jean Pierre Fux stating that Ronnie has the best physique ever. Jean has competed against both guys:

"Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

3) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia stating that Ronnie has presented a physique that could not be equaled (which also means that Ronnie has surpassed "everyone", that includes your hero yates):

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

4) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website for the 2000 Mr. Olympia

"Many people in the sport have also talked about the fact that Ronnie Coleman may be the best Mr. Olympia ever!"

5) George De Pirro Flex Senior Editor Says that Ronnie is the most dominant pro bodybuilder of all-time:

FLEX Article talking about bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman) from 96-06 Mr. O

"Anyone who denies Coleman's dominion over the past decade is truly kidding himself."

"The fact that the two contests under consideration basically bookend his reign at the top further solidifies his claim as the most dominating pro bodybuilder of all time."

6) Ron Harris says that Ronnie is tied with Haney as the greatest Mr. Olympia ever:

Ronnie Coleman - Bodybuilder Profile - 8X Mr. Olympia
A living legend in our sport
By Ron Harris
http://www.bodybuilderprofiles.com/ronnie-coleman.htm

"280-pound Ronnie emerged triumphant and joined Haney as the greatest Olympia champion ever."

7) Steve Blechman states that Ronnie is the greatest Mr. Olympia of all-time:

MD, page 44, Feb. 04, -Steve Blechman: "Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"

MR. OLYMPIA: EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED
By: SHAWN PERINE
http://www.flexonline.com/news/245

"The man many consider the greatest bodybuilder who’s ever lived (Cutler himself has paid Coleman such a tribute) will no doubt squeeze every last ounce of potential from his superannuated self in his fight to regain his supremacy."

9) BACK TO WORK
http://www.flexonline.com/training/97

"He’s still, in the estimation of many, the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

10) Dan Soloman on Ronnie Coleman 2003 at the 2004 Mr. Olympia:

“Last year Ronnie Coleman presented what we thought was the most extraordinary overall package in the history of the sport.”

11) Ben Weider – 2005 Mr Olympia:

“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”

12) Allan Donnelly  - Flex Issue November 2007 – Day In The Life Of Ronnie Coleman:

“In bodybuilding there has been no greater champion than Ronnie Coleman.”

“But he emerged – seemingly from nowhere - as perhaps the most dominant force the sport has ever seen.”

“I can’t help but wonder if the man who could be remembered as the greatest bodybuilder in history has one more great performance yet to give.”

13) Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that.

14) Dave Palumbo at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie Coleman is the greatest Mr. Olympia champion of All-Time. He has the most career wins.”

15) Dan Soloman & Gunter Schlierkamp at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“We are watching arguably the greatest bodybuilder of All-time compete possibly in his final contest.”

“Ronnie Coleman at his very best was the greatest bodybuilder to ever live and it’s going to be a long time until someone comes along and prove other wise.

Gunter Schlierkamp: Yes.”

16) David Robson - 2007 Mr. Olympia Review:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson315.htm

“Not the perfect ending for Ronnie but he will leave the sport secure in the knowledge that he is the greatest pro bodybuilder ever to grace the stage.”

17) Bob Cicherillo - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Show #90, October 1, 2007:

“What we just witnessed was history in the making. Ronnie would stop short of saying that he is the greatest of All-Time. I actually took that opportunity to say, you know what Ronnie, you can say it man. You are the best bodybuilder of All-Time.”

18) Peter McGough stating that Ronnie in his prime is unbeatable. Peter has seen both guys in their prime:

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that (01 ASC) look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."


Yeah, yates has more quotes stating he is the most dominant Mr. Olympia:
Give us all a break and get the hell out of here with your garbage posts.

Polls:

Well, let's see here. This thread is about who would win at their best. Since there are no judges judging this thread on who would win at their best, the judging is up to the fans. The fans voted and guess what? Ronnie won multiple times on different websites using pics of both bodybuilders in their prime. Yeah, that results are really pointless  

amazing post.

its true. the dorian side does everything it can to sweep the overwhelming visual evidence under the carpet

it tries to do the same with the overwhelming pro ronnie opinion, based on the same evidence.

[suckmymuscle]

ronnie would win when in top shape. case closed.  

  Dorian at his best would probably defeat Ronnie at this best according to the I.F.B.B judging protocol. case closed.

to be honest i think a cormier in top shape would destroy dorian too.

  I can wish that Angelina Jolie will suck my dick tonight, but that doesen't make it so.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Iceman1981]

You want more quotes from bodybuilders, bodybuilding experts, writers, photographers, IFBB Co-Owner, etc. I have tons. 

[slaveboy1980]

  Dorian at his best would probably defeat Ronnie at this best according to the I.F.B.B judging protocol. case closed.

  I can wish that Angelina Jolie will suck my dick tonight, but that doesen't make it so.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

dorian at his best would lose to ronnie at his best. pretty obvious. case closed.

cormier at his best also better than yates.

dillet>yates


 

[suckmymuscle]

Comparisons:
Many comparisons used by the Ronnie side where Ronnie beats yates in most of the mandatories. Where as the yates side refuses or rarely uses comparisons to prove their point in a visual judged sport. Yeah, that comparisons are really pointless  

  The comparisons are not valid because you can't compare pictures that are out of scale, out of angle, with different contrasts and where the bodybuilders in question are under different lighting and arrive at any conclusion. Why is this so fucking hard for you to comprehend? I have written extensively in my replies to SemenHole about why his and your comparisons suck. The problem here is that you don't even bother to read my replies, so you assume that I'm criticizing the procedure of comparions itself and not the particular comparisons that he an dyou did. The method of comparing bodybuilders itself is perfect - after all this is how bodybuilding contests are judged -, but the particular comparisons Semenhole and you made suck. end of story!

Quotes from official I.F.B.B judges bodybuilders and bodybuilding specialists supporting the hypothesis that Dorian was a more dominant Mr.olympia than Ronnie:

  Are you illiterate or retarded? Possibly both? Do you even know what the word "dominant" means? It means that, when compared to his contemporary, Dorian was more dominant than Ronnie ever was. I never argued the fact that there are more quotes supporting Ronnie as the greatest mr.Olympia of all times than Dorian. The evidence that Dorian was more dominant? the judges scorecards. You can't argue with that. The margint that separated Dorian from his competitors was much greater than the ones that separated Ronnie from his. Dorian won 5 out of his 6 olympias with straight-firsts scores from all judges in all rounds. Ronnie, conversely, won only 4 of his 8 Olympias with straight-firsts. in most of his olympias, the distance between him and his competitors was very slim when compared to the distance between Dorian and his. capisce, moron?

Yeah, yates has more quotes stating he is the most dominant Mr. Olympia  

  Yes, he does you fucking moron. the distance between him and his competitors was much greater than that between Coleman and his. As for quotes about Dorian's dominance over his competitors, we have Wheelrr saying that dorian was first, second and third at the 1993 Olympia. We have Paul Dillet stating that he gave up the moment he saw Dorina onstage at the 1995 olympia, etc. But quotes are secondary in importance. What really matters is the judges' screcard, and Dorian was more dominant over his competitors according to the judges than Ronnie was over his. This is factual and not open to debate, my moron friend. consider yourself owned in grand style!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

The comparisons are not valid because you can't compare pictures that are out of scale, out of angle, with different contrasts and where the bodybuilders in question are under different lighting and arrive at any conclusion.

no, you are only saying this because dorian gets his ass kicked in almost all the mandatories.

its a convienient excuse that everyone can see right through:

everywhere else in this sport, except on this one thread according to you guys only,  comparisons (if well done) are seen as a great way to compare physiques that have never stepped onstage at their bests. The mags do this all the time.

the fact that yates gets dominated is beside the point.

you just can't deal with it.

[suckmymuscle]

dorian at his best would lose to ronnie at his best. pretty obvious. case closed.

  According to the critera that decides such things, Dorian would win. Case closed. .

cormier at his best also better than yates.

  then why didn't he defeat him? You see, if your opinion is used to determine who would win Dorian vs Ronnie, then you're wrong because your opinion is different from what the judges decided.

dillet>yates

  Another example of your opinion being completely different from what the judges actually decided in real life. consider yourself schooled.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

 The comparisons are not valid because you can't compare pictures that are out of scale, out of angle, with different contrasts and where the bodybuilders in question are under different lighting and arrive at any conclusion. Why is this so fucking hard for you to comprehend? I have written extensively in my replies to SemenHole about why his and your comparisons suck. The problem here is that you don't even bother to read my replies, so you assume that I'm criticizing the procedure of comparions itself and not the particular comparisons that he an dyou did. The method of comparing bodybuilders itself is perfect - after all this is how bodybuilding contests are judged -, but the particular comparisons Semenhole and you made suck. end of story!

  Are you illiterate or retarded? Possibly both? Do you even know what the word "dominant" means? It means that, when compared to his contemporary, Dorian was more dominant than Ronnie ever was. I never argued the fact that there are more quotes supporting Ronnie as the greatest mr.Olympia of all times than Dorian. The evidence that Dorian was more dominant? the judges scorecards. You can't argue with that. The margint that separated Dorian from his competitors was much greater than the ones that separated Ronnie from his. Dorian won 5 out of his 6 olympias with straight-firsts scores from all judges in all rounds. Ronnie, conversely, won only 4 of his 8 Olympias with straight-firsts. in most of his olympias, the distance between him and his competitors was very slim when compared to the distance between Dorian and his. capisce, moron?

  Yes, he does you fucking moron. the distance between him and his competitors was much greater than that between Coleman and his. As for quotes about Dorian's dominance over his competitors, we have Wheelrr saying that dorian was first, second and third at the 1993 Olympia. We have Paul Dillet stating that he gave up the moment he saw Dorina onstage at the 1995 olympia, etc. But quotes are secondary in importance. What really matters is the judges' screcard, and Dorian was more dominant over his competitors according to the judges than Ronnie was over his. This is factual and not open to debate, my moron friend. consider yourself owned in grand style!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

  This is a brutal ownage on my part of the moron, "Iceman".

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

Comparisons:
Many comparisons used by the Ronnie side where Ronnie beats yates in most of the mandatories. Where as the yates side refuses or rarely uses comparisons to prove their point in a visual judged sport. Yeah, that comparisons are really pointless 

Quotes from official I.F.B.B judges bodybuilders and bodybuilding specialists supporting the hypothesis that Dorian was a more dominant Mr.olympia than Ronnie:
1) Flex stating that Ronnie is the most biggest, hardest, shredded bodybuilder in history. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

2) Jean Pierre Fux stating that Ronnie has the best physique ever. Jean has competed against both guys:

"Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

3) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia stating that Ronnie has presented a physique that could not be equaled (which also means that Ronnie has surpassed "everyone", that includes your hero yates):

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

4) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website for the 2000 Mr. Olympia

"Many people in the sport have also talked about the fact that Ronnie Coleman may be the best Mr. Olympia ever!"

5) George De Pirro Flex Senior Editor Says that Ronnie is the most dominant pro bodybuilder of all-time:

FLEX Article talking about bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman) from 96-06 Mr. O

"Anyone who denies Coleman's dominion over the past decade is truly kidding himself."

"The fact that the two contests under consideration basically bookend his reign at the top further solidifies his claim as the most dominating pro bodybuilder of all time."

6) Ron Harris says that Ronnie is tied with Haney as the greatest Mr. Olympia ever:

Ronnie Coleman - Bodybuilder Profile - 8X Mr. Olympia
A living legend in our sport
By Ron Harris
http://www.bodybuilderprofiles.com/ronnie-coleman.htm

"280-pound Ronnie emerged triumphant and joined Haney as the greatest Olympia champion ever."

7) Steve Blechman states that Ronnie is the greatest Mr. Olympia of all-time:

MD, page 44, Feb. 04, -Steve Blechman: "Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"

MR. OLYMPIA: EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED
By: SHAWN PERINE
http://www.flexonline.com/news/245

"The man many consider the greatest bodybuilder who’s ever lived (Cutler himself has paid Coleman such a tribute) will no doubt squeeze every last ounce of potential from his superannuated self in his fight to regain his supremacy."

9) BACK TO WORK
http://www.flexonline.com/training/97

"He’s still, in the estimation of many, the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

10) Dan Soloman on Ronnie Coleman 2003 at the 2004 Mr. Olympia:

“Last year Ronnie Coleman presented what we thought was the most extraordinary overall package in the history of the sport.”

11) Ben Weider – 2005 Mr Olympia:

“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”

12) Allan Donnelly  - Flex Issue November 2007 – Day In The Life Of Ronnie Coleman:

“In bodybuilding there has been no greater champion than Ronnie Coleman.”

“But he emerged – seemingly from nowhere - as perhaps the most dominant force the sport has ever seen.”

“I can’t help but wonder if the man who could be remembered as the greatest bodybuilder in history has one more great performance yet to give.”

13) Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that.

14) Dave Palumbo at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie Coleman is the greatest Mr. Olympia champion of All-Time. He has the most career wins.”

15) Dan Soloman & Gunter Schlierkamp at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“We are watching arguably the greatest bodybuilder of All-time compete possibly in his final contest.”

“Ronnie Coleman at his very best was the greatest bodybuilder to ever live and it’s going to be a long time until someone comes along and prove other wise.

Gunter Schlierkamp: Yes.”

16) David Robson - 2007 Mr. Olympia Review:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson315.htm

“Not the perfect ending for Ronnie but he will leave the sport secure in the knowledge that he is the greatest pro bodybuilder ever to grace the stage.”

17) Bob Cicherillo - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Show #90, October 1, 2007:

“What we just witnessed was history in the making. Ronnie would stop short of saying that he is the greatest of All-Time. I actually took that opportunity to say, you know what Ronnie, you can say it man. You are the best bodybuilder of All-Time.”

18) Peter McGough stating that Ronnie in his prime is unbeatable. Peter has seen both guys in their prime:

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that (01 ASC) look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."


Yeah, yates has more quotes stating he is the most dominant Mr. Olympia:
Give us all a break and get the hell out of here with your garbage posts.

Polls:

Well, let's see here. This thread is about who would win at their best. Since there are no judges judging this thread on who would win at their best, the judging is up to the fans. The fans voted and guess what? Ronnie won multiple times on different websites using pics of both bodybuilders in their prime. Yeah, that results are really pointless 

Many comparisons used by the Ronnie side where Ronnie beats yates in most of the mandatories. Where as the yates side refuses or rarely uses comparisons to prove their point in a visual judged sport. Yeah, that comparisons are really pointless 

NO in your OPINION Ronnie beats Yates in most of the mandatories thats what you and your limited abilities see I've posted probably more pictures than any of you , I don't post pics as much because I've proved my point you people see what you want

Quotes from official I.F.B.B judges bodybuilders and bodybuilding specialists supporting the hypothesis that Dorian was a more dominant Mr.olympia than Ronnie:
1) Flex stating that Ronnie is the most biggest, hardest, shredded bodybuilder in history. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:

Flex's opinion is fucking garbage seriously and why? he had Ronnie Coleman winning the 2007 Mr Olympia after the prejudging , this clearly shows how delusional he is !

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

His opinion see above post , his opinion doesn't make it true especially on such a subjective topic

2) Jean Pierre Fux stating that Ronnie has the best physique ever. Jean has competed against both guys:

"Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

His opinion again on a very subjective topic and notice the word probably , its arguable , doesn't prove anything except he thinks highly of Coleman

3) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia stating that Ronnie has presented a physique that could not be equaled (which also means that Ronnie has surpassed "everyone", that includes your hero yates):

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

No that was his critique of the 2003 Mr Olympia and he's stating the obvious Ronnie did present a physique that couldn't be equaled in THAT CONTEST and once again he's stating the obvious up until that point no one seen a physique like that a man of 5'11" and 287 pounds with very good conditioning and Ronnie did destroy the competition that has ZERO to do with Yates

4) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website for the 2000 Mr. Olympia

"Many people in the sport have also talked about the fact that Ronnie Coleman may be the best Mr. Olympia ever!"

notice the word ' may be ' ? hello Mcfly ever hear of the word subjective and arguable , wow people are saying Ronnie may be the best , well shucks that must mean he is the best 

5) George De Pirro Flex Senior Editor Says that Ronnie is the most dominant pro bodybuilder of all-time:

Easily proven WRONG dead wrong by me sorry slick this is garbage too nice try though 

FLEX Article talking about bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman) from 96-06 Mr. O

"Anyone who denies Coleman's dominion over the past decade is truly kidding himself."

"The fact that the two contests under consideration basically bookend his reign at the top further solidifies his claim as the most dominating pro bodybuilder of all time."

See above post ! 40& win/loss ratio is NOTHING compared to Dorian's 88% sorry

6) Ron Harris says that Ronnie is tied with Haney as the greatest Mr. Olympia ever:

Ronnie Coleman - Bodybuilder Profile - 8X Mr. Olympia
A living legend in our sport
By Ron Harris
http://www.bodybuilderprofiles.com/ronnie-coleman.htm

"280-pound Ronnie emerged triumphant and joined Haney as the greatest Olympia champion ever."

based on Olympia wins YES Ronnie is the greatest Mr Olympia ever along with Haney

7) Steve Blechman states that Ronnie is the greatest Mr. Olympia of all-time:

MD, page 44, Feb. 04, -Steve Blechman: "Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"

Subjective opinion , arguable especially seeing he was only up to 6 Olympia wins at that point

MR. OLYMPIA: EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED
By: SHAWN PERINE
http://www.flexonline.com/news/245

"The man many consider the greatest bodybuilder who’s ever lived (Cutler himself has paid Coleman such a tribute) will no doubt squeeze every last ounce of potential from his superannuated self in his fight to regain his supremacy."

fuck me man , hello  ' many men ' NOT ALL on a very subjective topic , many feel Schwarzenegger is much better than everyone its sub-fucking-jective

9) BACK TO WORK
http://www.flexonline.com/training/97

"He’s still, in the estimation of many, the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

please learn what the word subjective means

10) Dan Soloman on Ronnie Coleman 2003 at the 2004 Mr. Olympia:

“Last year Ronnie Coleman presented what we thought was the most extraordinary overall package in the history of the sport.”

' what most ' see above and keep looking lol

11) Ben Weider – 2005 Mr Olympia:

“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”

he's certainly one of them just based on the number of wins

12) Allan Donnelly  - Flex Issue November 2007 – Day In The Life Of Ronnie Coleman:

“In bodybuilding there has been no greater champion than Ronnie Coleman.”

“But he emerged – seemingly from nowhere - as perhaps the most dominant force the sport has ever seen.”

“I can’t help but wonder if the man who could be remembered as the greatest bodybuilder in history has one more great performance yet to give.”[/b

Dominant is a worthless and easily proven wrong statement  ! again many feel Ronnie is the best ever I don't have a problem with that , it depends on what context most mean it too if their basing their opinion just on Olympia wins then again Ronnie is among the best ever

13) Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that. [/b

Junk see above Flex's opinion is tainted

14) Dave Palumbo at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie Coleman is the greatest Mr. Olympia champion of All-Time. He has the most career wins.”

If he's basing his opinion on just career wins I don't have a problem with that statement

15) Dan Soloman & Gunter Schlierkamp at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“We are watching arguably the greatest bodybuilder of All-time compete possibly in his final contest.”

“Ronnie Coleman at his very best was the greatest bodybuilder to ever live and it’s going to be a long time until someone comes along and prove other wise.

notice the word arguably? just because they say it doesn't mean its true , its arguable !

16) David Robson - 2007 Mr. Olympia Review:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson315.htm

“Not the perfect ending for Ronnie but he will leave the sport secure in the knowledge that he is the greatest pro bodybuilder ever to grace the stage.”

a very nice thing to say and if they're basing their opinions on career wins and Olympia wins I don't have an issue with that

17) Bob Cicherillo - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Show #90, October 1, 2007:

“What we just witnessed was history in the making. Ronnie would stop short of saying that he is the greatest of All-Time. I actually took that opportunity to say, you know what Ronnie, you can say it man. You are the best bodybuilder of All-Time.”

depending on the context sure he is , Ronnie has an impressive resume a lot of wins he tied Haney thats pretty great

18) Peter McGough stating that Ronnie in his prime is unbeatable. Peter has seen both guys in their prime:

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that (01 ASC) look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

' in my opinion ' subjective doesn't make it fact

Yeah, yates has more quotes stating he is the most dominant Mr. Olympia:
Give us all a break and get the hell out of here with your garbage posts.

It doesn't matter if there are ANY quotes from people stating Yates is the most dominant the facts PROVE this period

Polls:

Well, let's see here. This thread is about who would win at their best. Since there are no judges judging this thread on who would win at their best, the judging is up to the fans. The fans voted and guess what? Ronnie won multiple times on different websites using pics of both bodybuilders in their prime. Yeah, that results are really pointless 

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Yes the results are pointless , see argument ad populum a large belief in something does NOT make it true


in closing all of this was a waste of time , any quote claiming Ronnie is more dominant tha Yates is garbage and proven wrong already , most people are basing their opinions on career wins and Olympia wins , I don;t have an issue with that ! however NONE of that matter on how peak Ronnie would do against a peak Dorian , this is where my non-subjective posts crush your subjective ones , who has better balance & proportion , who has better density & conditioning , so long post NO content = fluff

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, you are only saying this because dorian gets his ass kicked in almost all the mandatories.

its a convienient excuse that everyone can see right through:

everywhere else in this sport, except on this one thread according to you guys only,  comparisons (if well done) are seen as a great way to compare physiques that have never stepped onstage at their bests. The mags do this all the time.

the fact that yates gets dominated is beside the point.

you just can't deal with it.

NO ONE ever dominated Dorian all of his loses were close calls he lost to Haney and still beat him in the muscularity round despite being just 239 pounds lol you can keep typing Dorian gets dominated in comparisons and thats easily proven wrong and why? see all rounds are physique rounds , that means the judges look at muscular size , muscle density & conditioning , balance & proportion and posing & presentation in every single pose from every single angle and Dorian according to this criteria beats Ronnie in all poses , you can cherry pick the criteria for what you like and harp on taper and bigger biceps in the end of the day Dorian is the criteria .

[Iceman1981]

 The comparisons are not valid because you can't compare pictures that are out of scale, out of angle, with different contrasts and where the bodybuilders in question are under different lighting and arrive at any conclusion. Why is this so fucking hard for you to comprehend? I have written extensively in my replies to SemenHole about why his and your comparisons suck. The problem here is that you don't even bother to read my replies, so you assume that I'm criticizing the procedure of comparions itself and not the particular comparisons that he an dyou did. The method of comparing bodybuilders itself is perfect - after all this is how bodybuilding contests are judged -, but the particular comparisons Semenhole and you made suck. end of story!

  Are you illiterate or retarded? Possibly both? Do you even know what the word "dominant" means? It means that, when compared to his contemporary, Dorian was more dominant than Ronnie ever was. I never argued the fact that there are more quotes supporting Ronnie as the greatest mr.Olympia of all times than Dorian. The evidence that Dorian was more dominant? the judges scorecards. You can't argue with that. The margint that separated Dorian from his competitors was much greater than the ones that separated Ronnie from his. Dorian won 5 out of his 6 olympias with straight-firsts scores from all judges in all rounds. Ronnie, conversely, won only 4 of his 8 Olympias with straight-firsts. in most of his olympias, the distance between him and his competitors was very slim when compared to the distance between Dorian and his. capisce, moron?

  Yes, he does you fucking moron. the distance between him and his competitors was much greater than that between Coleman and his. As for quotes about Dorian's dominance over his competitors, we have Wheelrr saying that dorian was first, second and third at the 1993 Olympia. We have Paul Dillet stating that he gave up the moment he saw Dorina onstage at the 1995 olympia, etc. But quotes are secondary in importance. What really matters is the judges' screcard, and Dorian was more dominant over his competitors according to the judges than Ronnie was over his. This is factual and not open to debate, my moron friend. consider yourself owned in grand style!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Your stupid response about the comparisons, is well, STUPID. The comparisons made in this thread are as good as it gets. Everyone else accepts the comparisons except you nuthuggers. Now grow up and stop whining. You're nothing but excuses.

About most dominant. Well, the quotes by bodybuilders, bodybuilding experts, JUDGES, writers, photographers speak for themselves. You have no argument. CASE CLOSED.

Quotes from Flex & Dillet from 93/95 are only mentioned for 93/95 MORON.

Here is a gift for you from your two friends Flex & Dillet which means of All-Time, not specific years  

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that.

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Sergio or Flex and now Ronnie."

Also, Ronnie has 4 different physiques (Mr. O 98, 99, 03 ASC 01) that is concidered the best physique of All-Time.

yates only has 2 (Mr. O 93, 95)

It sure looks like Ronnie was more dominant  

[Iceman1981]

NO in your OPINION Ronnie beats Yates in most of the mandatories thats what you and your limited abilities see I've posted probably more pictures than any of you , I don't post pics as much because I've proved my point you people see what you want

Flex's opinion is fucking garbage seriously and why? he had Ronnie Coleman winning the 2007 Mr Olympia after the prejudging , this clearly shows how delusional he is !


in closing all of this was a waste of time , any quote claiming Ronnie is more dominant tha Yates is garbage and proven wrong already , most people are basing their opinions on career wins and Olympia wins , I don;t have an issue with that ! however NONE of that matter on how peak Ronnie would do against a peak Dorian , this is where my non-subjective posts crush your subjective ones , who has better balance & proportion , who has better density & conditioning , so long post NO content = fluff

LOL, you actually tried to argue against those quotes and still came up with nothing. Oh well, nice try. The quotes I posted speak for themselves. You have NOTHING and can't counter it.

I guess you didn't see the video with Flex stating after the placings he agreed with Ronnie's placing.

The rest of your pathetic attempts to argue against the quotes is a joke.

Your biased opinion is simply crushed with my quotes from bodybuilders, bodybuilding experts, judges, writers, and photographers. I have quotes stating Ronnie at his best is the best ever. And you have..............?