This will probably be my last post on this subject...
It's been fun 
but I'll let Hulkster and ND keep on duking
it out.
This truly is a subjective sport. The things that I think make Ron
look awesome as illustrated by the pic below Ice Cold see's as:
"QUOTE" lousy structure - short torso, long chest, short abs
I threw a bone out there about the back to see how the Yates favorers
would react although he does have a ripped freakin back.
I think Hulksters reply was a pretty fair description of how I feel so no need
to rehash after this point. I'll enjoy keeping up on things though.
"QUOTE HULKSTER"
the back is pretty much even for both because for every person that thinks dorian had a better back, there is someone who thinks Ronnie had a better back.
chances are a panel of judges would be the same..
ronnie had a better taper, better arms, and at least in the back double bi shot, more thickness.
Dorian had better definition, particularly in the lower back. as shown by pretty much the only shots ND ever posts of dorian anymore..
and I wonder why that is... Roll Eyes
because ALMOST every where else and in most other poses, dorian loses.
I notice that your ' opinion ' does co-inside with Hulkster's and its just as ignorant as well and you reached the same way he did , personal preference . There are a strict set criterion that judges must adhere to it includes muscle balance & proportion , muscle density & conditioning , muscular bulk and posing & presentation I hate to break it to all Coleman fans Dorian satisfies this criteria better than Coleman does in ANY mandatory pose .
Sure you can find advantages in the mandatory poses for Ronnie but what you people must understand is that all rounds are physique rounds and that means in the symmetry round , symmetry is NOT judged as a separate and distinct element , the muscularity round is NOT as separate and distinct element perfect example of this is the picture you posted the standing relaxed from the front
While Ronnie looks very impressive in this shot and it highlights his advantages over Dorian in symmetry ( small waist & hips , small joints ) judges DO NOT neglect the other aspects of the criteria that favor Dorian in this shot because ALL ROUNDS are PHYSIQUE ROUNDS Dorian has advantages over Ronnie in the other part of symmetry
balance & proportion now couple these with equal muscular bulk and better density & condition and Dorian wins the standing relaxed pose as well as the 1/4 turns and the standing relaxed from the rear
Hulkster is very fond of cherry picking this criteria for what he likes and discarding the rest that clearly favors Yates and he has to ! lets take another pose that Ronnie looks strong in the front double biceps pose where Ronnie's small waist & hips and awesome biceps/triceps help make this a great shot for Ronnie , however lets adhere to the official judging criteria and remember
all rounds are physique roundsHow would Dorian beat Ronnie in this pose , despite not having nearly as impressive biceps as Ronnie ? follow the criteria Dorian has better balance & proportion in this pose from head to toe he's complete he has great proportion in his legs his calves pair up great with his quads , his arms ( pay attention Hulkster ) his biceps/triceps/forearms all show better proportion than Ronnie , they match his torso better now couple that clear advantage with better conditioning & density equal muscular bulk and Ronnie loses this pose as well
we can go down the list of mandatory poses if you'd like because no matter what pose it is Dorian has right of the bat , better balance & proportion. Ronnie's torso is short , his arms are to big for his torso , his arms lack proportion in relation to each other his glutes are NOT in proportion with his physique especially when they can be seen from the front for Christ's sake ! his under-sized calves are not in proportion with his over-sized quads , this is a major advantage Dorian has over Ronnie at his best ( his best mind you
) Dorian's balance & proportion is almost perfect the same can't be said for Ronnie , combine this with equal muscular bulk , better conditioning & density and depending on the pose , better posing & presentation and my case for why Dorian would beat Ronnie is crystal clear .
