Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Valane]

lmao yeah right cormier, with his crazy long core, fluffy whip muscles, plus he looks like he's 170 lbs compared to dorian in that pic

Based on your criteria Dillett makes Dorian look like a child.

[beefcakeblake]

Based on your criteria Dillett makes Dorian look like a child.

on dillett completely nothing flows in that pose his core is way to long for his body, heck he's like 4 inches taller than dorian and their legs are about the same length. plus no balance on dillett as well as shape.

[JP_RC]

well first off IMO Shawns stubby short legs don't go with his  long torso and narrow shoulders.

cause the rest of him was just that good, lol same could be said with 2004, 2005 ronnie with screwed up left lat.

you could only really notice the torn biceps in the front double biceps any way.

Lee Priest is an example of long torso and narrow shoulders, I think that for his height Shawn's torso and shoulder width are great.

I agree that Ronnie after 2000 started going downhill, pretty much like Dorian after 1993. I was just saying that Dorian is the one that started the downfall of bb in a sense.

[beefcakeblake]

I agree that Ronnie after 2000 started going downhill, pretty much like Dorian after 1993. I was just saying that Dorian is the one that started the downfall of bb in a sense.

maybe Dorian did start it , but you still had physiques then that the general public would not be grossed out by, but now everyone on stage looks half mutant, and i think it started with competitors trying to keep up with the trend that Ronnie started with the freakishness factor. but maybe you can blame it on the judges

just like we were arguing above about the pic, in the current criteria i think Dorian wins that pose, i didn't say he looked better. so maybe the criteria needs to be modified a little.  

[beefcakeblake]

I think that for his height Shawn's torso and shoulder width are great.

how tall is shawn? est

[beefcakeblake]

pretty much like Dorian after 1993

nah  maybe 94, but in 95( best imo), 96 he still looked really good, it's 97 that he had a monster gut and one arm

95

[Shockwave]

I reiterate juding criteria...

Mass, plus conditioning, plus balance and proportion = Winner.
Man with biggest muscles that are in proportion and flow which each other, and the best conditioniong = Winner.

[Royal Lion]

Ray was one of my favorites, but he simply didn't have the size to hang with Dorian.

[Shockwave]

[beefcakeblake]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=363307;image

even though 95 dorian imo was his best, his back seemed to be lopsided that year, or it could be he was hitting the pose weird.

[beefcakeblake]

   

   

 

[Hulkster]

both the pics you posted look weird and plus thats the worst dorian pick ive ever seen.



its not dorian at his best but at least it's better than your pic

they shouldn't look weird - one is straight from muscletime, the other is a scan from ND (the pussy coward that started, but couldn't finish this thread).

dorian's front relaxed pose always sucked, because of his massive flaws. so its not surprising it looks bad to you.

its a great pic..of a bad physique.

[beefcakeblake]

they shouldn't look weird - one is straight from muscletime, the other is a scan from ND (the pussy coward that started, but couldn't finish this thread).

dorian's front relaxed pose always sucked, because of his massive flaws. so its not surprising it looks bad to you.

its a great pic..of a bad physique.

relax pose suck?? like it wasn't as good as Coleman's maybe but it still still showed alot of his strengths as well

- crazy lats, overall width advantage over his comp, good proportion, and balance.

- the only thing wrong with his front relax pose is that he didn't try to really tighten up his abdominals at all
  so it drew attention to his wider stomach.

almost doesn't look like it's the same person, but it's the same contest.


your pic it looks like dorians right half of his body is slanted, like his right shoulder is about to fall off or something lol.

[JP_RC]

maybe Dorian did start it , but you still had physiques then that the general public would not be grossed out by, but now everyone on stage looks half mutant, and i think it started with competitors trying to keep up with the trend that Ronnie started with the freakishness factor. but maybe you can blame it on the judges

just like we were arguing above about the pic, in the current criteria i think Dorian wins that pose, i didn't say he looked better. so maybe the criteria needs to be modified a little.  

I agree with what you wrote here, especially the part were judging criteria needs to changed a bit.

But in the sense of current criteria, don't you think Ronnie's best would kill Dorian's best?

[JP_RC]

how tall is shawn? est

I think he is 5'7

[JP_RC]

I reiterate juding criteria...

Mass, plus conditioning, plus balance and proportion = Winner.
Man with biggest muscles that are in proportion and flow which each other, and the best conditioniong = Winner.

I still don't get how you can say Dorian had the best muscle proportion and balance   

[beefcakeblake]

I agree with what you wrote here, especially the part were judging criteria needs to changed a bit.

But in the sense of current criteria, don't you think Ronnie's best would kill Dorian's best?

ronnie vs dorian: no imo Ronnie's best was around 1999, where he weighed around like high 250s.
even there i don't he was any more conditioned, or harder than dorian was at 260(95).
With both ron and doz both having world class backs, and amazing mass and balance i would say it would be close.
Saying that it would come down to the little things like posing presentation, which ronnie esp then didn't  display his body to the fullest.
so maybe the judges would give the nod to a good strategic poser like dorian, who didn't show his flaws as well.

but i dunno im pro doz so my opinion is prob a little biased

[Shockwave]

I still don't get how you can say Dorian had the best muscle proportion and balance   

I never said he had the best.
I said he had the best combo of size, conditioning, and balance and proportion.
Ronnie simply has more flaws than Dorian IMHO, with similar size. That means Dorian wins.
Dorian flaw is his biceps. They both have huge guts, so thats a wash.
Ronnies are lower to upper arm balance, Calve to Quad balance, and a really fucked up abdominal area.
If you think Dorians odd quads are too much of a distraction, then you can wash the weird quads out with ronnie's abs.
That still leaves Ronnie with the arm and leg imbalance. Ronnie simply has more flaws.

[Royal Lion]

Dorian had an excellent front relaxed pose -- one of the most impressive in fact.  Hulkster simply likes to post the same 4 or 5 pics of him when he's literally relaxed, as if that proves anything. 

[Royal Lion]

I just don't see how one can say this isn't an impressive physique...

[beefcakeblake]

Dorian had an excellent front relaxed pose -- one of the most impressive in fact.  Hulkster simply likes to post the same 4 or 5 pics of him when he's literally relaxed, as if that proves anything. 

true, I've been reading threads on getbig for a while esp this Ronnie vs Dorian and i have to say that hulkster guy seems like the biggest fanboy ever. If he's really trying to debate in a topic you would think you would get better over time but instead he just posts pics and voices opinions as fact. Then just gets bitch slapped by Dorian fans who actually try to use some of the judging criteria as their argument.
 

[Shockwave]

There is one of Dorian Front relaxed back stage in a lineup in 93... its rediculous. Just perfect.

[Hulkster]

There is one of Dorian Front relaxed back stage in a lineup in 93... its rediculous. Just perfect.

no it isn't. it never was. it looks better than his normal ones because he is not standing next to everyone else, who usually look better in that pose..

dorian always looked great standing alone. not so great standing next to others.

hence the massive amount of pics where he is getting owned that the nuthuggers have to continually make excuses for..

[Shockwave]

no it isn't. it never was. it looks better than his normal ones because he is not standing next to everyone else, who usually look better in that pose..

dorian always looked great standing alone. not so great standing next to others.

hence the massive amount of pics where he is getting owned that the nuthuggers have to continually make excuses for..

Here is is looking awesome next to others. As always, your mind makes its own little reality where you only see what you want. Not to mention, if we wanted to post the worst pics of Ronnie we could find, there are FARRRRR more of those than there are of Dorian looking shitty.
All next to other people, BTW. You fail Hulkster.
Hence,

[Shockwave]

Perfection.