The only way how to build real cannonball shoulders !!

[Donny]

they work your delts way more than your pecs

Declines ,dips, cables are the only way to go for pecs

I get good results from incline BB presses but not a high angle like in most gyms.
I use at most 30 Degrees which hits it all ( for me )
I agree parallel bar dips are a great exercise
i know you´ve wrote on here before the bicep only curls or the triceps only extend.. why would the pecs be different?
the whole pec fires & you use this theory for other muscle groups

[joswift]

I get good results from incline BB presses but not a high angle like in most gyms.
I use at most 30 Degrees which hits it all ( for me )
I agree parallel bar dips are a great exercise
i know you´ve wrote on here before the bicep only curls or the triceps only extend.. why would the pecs be different?
the whole pec fires & you use this theory for other muscle groups

put your hand on your pec and depress the pec and now make a pressing movement out to the front
Now do the same thing and press down towards your waist.

Now, which one contracts the pec the most?

[Donny]

put your hand on your pec and depress the pec and now make a pressing movement out to the front
Now do the same thing and press down towards your waist.

Now, which one contracts the pec the most?

yes i´ve heard all this before, what´s your opinion on the press to neck?

[joswift]

yes i´ve heard all this before, what´s your opinion on the press to neck?

then why are you still fucking about with incline presses?

I dont press anything, its never done anything for me, same with dumbell flys, the pec is totally relaxed apart from the full stretch position , as soon as my arms get horizontal with the bench the whole pec just relaxes because its all delts

[wes]

then why are you still fucking about with incline presses?

I dont press anything, its never done anything for me, same with dumbell flys, the pec is totally relaxed apart from the full stretch position , as soon as my arms get horizontal with the bench the whole pec just relaxes because its all delts

If I am doing flyes with a lighter weight,at the top if I turn my palms in towards each other,I get a good contraction........well decent at least.

I did heavy flyes as a rule.....I like them but I do agree that the bottom stretched position is where the tension occurs.

[Donny]

then why are you still fucking about with incline presses?

I dont press anything, its never done anything for me, same with dumbell flys, the pec is totally relaxed apart from the full stretch position , as soon as my arms get horizontal with the bench the whole pec just relaxes because its all delts

watch Serge Nubret or Sergio Oliva pressing 

[IroNat]

The only way I’ve seen people get cannonball delts is with tren or anavar. Had a buddy take just anavar and his shoulders went crazy, on test and deca didn’t happen. And everyone I know who takes tren has those shoulders. But I think genetics is the most important fact for anything to work. I do laterals like crazy and rear delt like crazy, my shoulders are big but not round.

I don't quite understand this fascination with Anavar.

Anavar was in the old daze considered an anabolic which provided somewhat mild strength gains but little in the way of size.

What am I missing?

[joswift]

watch Serge Nubret or Sergio Oliva pressing 

just watched his video

He also does pullovers for rib expansion......FFS


he uses a very wide grip and stretches the pecs

Shame he didnt know that his pecs were a downward pressing muscle

[Donny]

just watched his video

He also does pullovers for rib expansion......FFS


he uses a very wide grip and stretches the pecs

Shame he didnt know that his pecs were a downward pressing muscle

yeah guess he had shit pecs 

[Donny]

Sergio was one of the thickest Bodybuilders..top to bottom.
Lats, pecs, legs

[Donny]

Serge had one of the best chests ever  notice the pattern here ?

[joswift]

Serge had one of the best chests ever  notice the pattern here ?

yes, genetics and muscle tie ins

Take someone with shit genetics and give them a great chest

Why doesnt Nick Walker have pecs like Arnold?

Maybe its the wrong excercises.

[Donny]

yes, genetics and muscle tie ins

Take someone with shit genetics and give them a great chest

Why doesnt Nick Walker have pecs like Arnold?

Maybe its the wrong excercises.

so with the right exercises we can all have a great chest? even with shit genetics?

[joswift]

so with the right exercises we can all have a great chest? even with shit genetics?

no, thats my point...

The only way to maximise your potential is to do excercises that work the muscle through its fullest range of motion under tension.

[Donny]

no, thats my point...

The only way to maximise your potential is to do excercises that work the muscle through its fullest range of motion under tension.

so everyone should follow your advice which is from Doug Brignole?

[joswift]

so everyone should follow your advice which is from Doug Brignole?

its science and human biology

It would be illogical to do anything else

[Donny]

its science and human biology

It would be illogical to do anything else

Human biology?
In a ric drasin video he admits it's only his theory on bio mechanics based on basic mathematics  but it's not carved in stone for everyone

[robcguns]

I don't quite understand this fascination with Anavar.

Anavar was in the old daze considered an anabolic which provided somewhat mild strength gains but little in the way of size.

What am I missing?

Real pharma grade anavar is insane.

Crazy strength
Crazy pumps
Crazy vascularity
Burns fat
Builds muscle I forget the exact numbers but something like the average user gains 7-9 lbs of muscle and lose 3-4 lbs of fat.
Makes you feel great
When you come off you keep most of it
Doesn’t shut you down completely.
Side effects slim to none, mainly screwed up lipids, it’s metabolized mainly by the kidneys so really no liver stress.
I’ve had great results off 15-20mgs of pharma grade. I wouldn’t touch black market cause it’s prob not anavar.

Next to test it’s the best imo and for some reason the shoulders really respond to it if you have good genetics. I guess the receptors in the shoulders like it.

[joswift]

Human biology?
In a ric drasin video he admits it's only his theory on bio mechanics based on basic mathematics  but it's not carved in stone for everyone

thats where he and I differ 

[njflex]

thats where he and I differ 

This is the fun josSwift,,, The normal good-natured version lol who likes to mix it up and speak his mind not the dagger, throwing Colombo investigating version that challenges b hanks here add nausea him every day

[IroNat]

Real pharma grade anavar is insane.

Crazy strength
Crazy pumps
Crazy vascularity
Burns fat
Builds muscle I forget the exact numbers but something like the average user gains 7-9 lbs of muscle and lose 3-4 lbs of fat.
Makes you feel great
When you come off you keep most of it
Doesn’t shut you down completely.
Side effects slim to none, mainly screwed up lipids, it’s metabolized mainly by the kidneys so really no liver stress.
I’ve had great results off 15-20mgs of pharma grade. I wouldn’t touch black market cause it’s prob not anavar.

Next to test it’s the best imo and for some reason the shoulders really respond to it if you have good genetics. I guess the receptors in the shoulders like it.

Thanks for the response robc.

[joswift]

This is the fun josSwift,,, The normal good-natured version lol who likes to mix it up and speak his mind not the dagger, throwing Colombo investigating version that challenges Behance here add nausea him every day

kuntins brings out the worst in me 

[IroNat]

I saw some monkeys doing behind neck presses at the zoo recently.

[joswift]

I saw some monkeys doing behind neck presses at the zoo recently.

thats why they havent evolved...

[wes]

thats why they havent evolved...

Exactly,they should be doing Barbell Inclines !