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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2025, 09:34:54 AM »
I'll bet doctors are melting down!  ;D

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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2025, 01:26:56 PM »
The big problem is that even if the docs receive more 'proper' nutrition education no one will believe that it's actually correct. Getbiggers won't even agree to how one should eat. People here and everywhere on the net rail against the FDA recs but I don't think they are necessarily so bad, like currently. Some getbiggers think it recommends too much protein for example, .8 grams per kilo body weight to sustain optimal health, saying you only need 50 grams or whatever. Carnivores would say the fruit and veg recs are dangerous. But if everyone in the West ate as the US FDA recommended there wouldn't be an obesity crisis obviously.

My heart doc advised against "protein drinks," as if drink protein is somehow different from food protein. OTOH the hospitals I've been in, like recently, had very nice RTDs with protein coupled with all the vitamins and minerals you need, "nutritionally complete food" that you could live on for months, as the data sheets say. I did "steal" them out of "staff only" fridges since they cost money and they are trying to save on everything.

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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2025, 01:31:09 PM »
True, Van.

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2025, 02:45:14 PM »
The big problem is that even if the docs receive more 'proper' nutrition education no one will believe that it's actually correct. Getbiggers won't even agree to how one should eat. People here and everywhere on the net rail against the FDA recs but I don't think they are necessarily so bad, like currently. Some getbiggers think it recommends too much protein for example, .8 grams per kilo body weight to sustain optimal health, saying you only need 50 grams or whatever. Carnivores would say the fruit and veg recs are dangerous. But if everyone in the West ate as the US FDA recommended there wouldn't be an obesity crisis obviously.

My heart doc advised against "protein drinks," as if drink protein is somehow different from food protein. OTOH the hospitals I've been in, like recently, had very nice RTDs with protein coupled with all the vitamins and minerals you need, "nutritionally complete food" that you could live on for months, as the data sheets say. I did "steal" them out of "staff only" fridges since they cost money and they are trying to save on everything.

Just eat food as naturally sourced as you can get it and you will be fine. But even then there is no guarantee you can get all the trace minerals that have been stripped out of the soil or never where there in the first place. Magnesium is a great example- most foods don't have it yet it is a critical trace element.

As for protein, 0.8 g per kilo LEAN body weight is only 80 g for your average Mr Olympia  Getbigger. it's nearly impossible not to get that much no matter what you eat, lol. I spent quite a few years calorie counting, doing unique diets like keto or Atkins and my normal protein intake never exceeded 100 g on average.

The obesity crisis isn't due to people eating normally - it's due to the doctored food supply. Most foods have been engineered to bypass satiety causing you to eat them to excess. it's no different than for livestock. Cattle, for example, do not over eat when grazing- but the moment you fed them milled corn they literally explode with fat. If you let them loose in a corn field that wouldn't happen because they would ingest all the fiber at the same time, limiting their hunger for the corn. That is why food companies strip fiber out of food.

Kennedy is totally right about doctors and diet- most don't have a clue or most just don't care. They specialize in their field and get myopic because they make so much fucking money doing just one thing. I had a urologist who literally acted surprised when I told him all I had to do to stop uric acid kidney stones was take a gram or two a day of potassium citrate (and that would cost about 10 cents). I'm sure he really DID know that but then he wouldn't have me as a patient anymore, lol.



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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2025, 02:58:22 PM »
Just eat food as naturally sourced as you can get it and you will be fine. But even then there is no guarantee you can get all the trace minerals that have been stripped out of the soil or never where there in the first place. Magnesium is a great example- most foods don't have it yet it is a critical trace element.

As for protein, 0.8 g per kilo LEAN body weight is only 80 g for your average Mr Olympia  Getbigger. it's nearly impossible not to get that much no matter what you eat, lol. I spent quite a few years calorie counting, doing unique diets like keto or Atkins and my normal protein intake never exceeded 100 g on average.

The obesity crisis isn't due to people eating normally - it's due to the doctored food supply. Most foods have been engineered to bypass satiety causing you to eat them to excess. it's no different than for livestock. Cattle, for example, do not over eat when grazing- but the moment you fed them milled corn they literally explode with fat. If you let them loose in a corn field that wouldn't happen because they would ingest all the fiber at the same time, limiting their hunger for the corn. That is why food companies strip fiber out of food.

Kennedy is totally right about doctors and diet- most don't have a clue or most just don't care. They specialize in their field and get myopic because they make so much fucking money doing just one thing. I had a urologist who literally acted surprised when I told him all I had to do to stop uric acid kidney stones was take a gram or two a day of potassium citrate (and that would cost about 10 cents). I'm sure he really DID know that but then he wouldn't have me as a patient anymore, lol.

Potassium supps might be dangerous for some. Some athletes on hardcore forums said they took up to 10 grams of that pre-workout for endurance. My potassium is borderline high so docs have warned against supps.

But yeah, I hear what you're saying. Companies make food hyper-palatable to increase consumption obviously. I've also argued that food availability in general is a "problem." Which is why I've said the only real solution I see for combating obesity in our societies where food is plentiful even for the poor is pharma options, for example the glp-1 drugs. Most simply won't eat naturally sourced food or whatever, you can talk about willpower and so on but they won't change out of their free will.

I eat whatever I like, and I happen like vegetables, so I'm actually going overboard with that, fiber intake too high. As you know many influencers say veggies and fiber are outright harmful. I don't think so, in moderation.

Nasser claimed to eat 80 grams of protein in the off-season, 600 pre-contest. The off-season claim was obvious BS, probably ate twice that just for breakfast.

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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2025, 03:12:04 PM »
The US is like a parody, you have a non-doctor telling docs what to do. As if telling fat fucking lazy people to eat clean will work lol and he says me and ms mcmahon LOLOLOL. The wife of the wrestling mogul who is equally unqualified for her role.




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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2025, 03:19:54 PM »
The US is like a parody, you have a non-doctor telling docs what to do. As if telling fat fucking lazy people to eat clean will work lol and he says me and ms mcmahon LOLOLOL. The wife of the wrestling mogul who is equally unqualified for her role.


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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2025, 03:33:56 PM »
Potassium supps might be dangerous for some. Some athletes on hardcore forums said they took up to 10 grams of that pre-workout for endurance. My potassium is borderline high so docs have warned against supps.

But yeah, I hear what you're saying. Companies make food hyper-palatable to increase consumption obviously. I've also argued that food availability in general is a "problem." Which is why I've said the only real solution I see for combating obesity in our societies where food is plentiful even for the poor is pharma options, for example the glp-1 drugs. Most simply won't eat naturally sourced food or whatever, you can talk about willpower and so on but they won't change out of their free will.

I eat whatever I like, and I happen like vegetables, so I'm actually going overboard with that, fiber intake too high. As you know many influencers say veggies and fiber are outright harmful. I don't think so, in moderation.

Nasser claimed to eat 80 grams of protein in the off-season, 600 pre-contest. The off-season claim was obvious BS, probably ate twice that just for breakfast.

Taking a potassium supplement is very useful but taking 10 grams is retarded, lol. That case can be made for nearly ANY supplement/drug - Vitamin A, Vitamin D, aspirin, decongestant, etc. Even high doses of Vitamin C over time lead to oxalate stones. But in no case do we not take vitamin C, lol


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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2025, 03:38:53 PM »
The US is like a parody, you have a non-doctor telling docs what to do. As if telling fat fucking lazy people to eat clean will work lol and he says me and ms mcmahon LOLOLOL. The wife of the wrestling mogul who is equally unqualified for her role.

Oh, you mean a parody like non-soldiers sending young men off to die in wars? I guess a civilian can't be commander in chief then, according to your dream world.

You live in the most fucked up country in the northern hemisphere. Justin Trudeau was the most unqualified ape ever to hold office yet you jacked off on his picture daily.

Fuck off Necrosis- you are nowhere near as smart as you fantasize you are. Just because your fellow baristas at Starbucks said you were doesn't make it true.

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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2025, 05:18:52 PM »
Taking a potassium supplement is very useful but taking 10 grams is retarded, lol. That case can be made for nearly ANY supplement/drug - Vitamin A, Vitamin D, aspirin, decongestant, etc. Even high doses of Vitamin C over time lead to oxalate stones. But in no case do we not take vitamin C, lol

Capped potassium supps are limited to 100mg elemental per dose if I'm not mistaken, so as not to kill susceptible individuals.

"Potassium citrate is approximately 38.3% potassium by mass"

Russians used to take these "Kalii Orotas" tablets as a natural agent to help athletes, the orotate salt thought to be especially good form of potassium. As I recall my Belorussian BB friend talked about it.
https://drdoping.com/blog/potassium-orotate/

I think in neighboring Norway high dose vitamin C is restricted.

I've been megadosing some vitamins, like right now I'm taking a million percent of the RDA of B12 :o

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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2025, 09:43:53 PM »
The US is like a parody, you have a non-doctor telling docs what to do. As if telling fat fucking lazy people to eat clean will work lol and he says me and ms mcmahon LOLOLOL. The wife of the wrestling mogul who is equally unqualified for her role.

RFK Jr’s predecessor who thinks a 3 year old knows its gender, it’s okay to give children puberty blockers, who thinks child mutilation changes a male to a female…and by the looks of HIM is legit mentally Ill

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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2025, 11:42:59 PM »
^^^ Being gay or transgender was a prerequisite for a Biden cabinet position.

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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2025, 04:07:12 AM »
^^^ Being gay or transgender was a prerequisite for a Biden cabinet position.

I'm a liberal Biden supporter for posting this.

You’re as fucking liberal as any liberal on this board. But I give you a C- for trying to play it off.

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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2025, 04:31:23 AM »

One can only add "no homo" to that...
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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2025, 04:38:02 AM »
I agree that general practitioners should be more educated when it comes to diet and nutrition. My doc has a general idea about proper nutrition and exercise but he asks me for advice when I'm there for my yearly check-up.

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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2025, 04:45:23 AM »
Oh, you mean a parody like non-soldiers sending young men off to die in wars? I guess a civilian can't be commander in chief then, according to your dream world.

You live in the most fucked up country in the northern hemisphere. Justin Trudeau was the most unqualified ape ever to hold office yet you jacked off on his picture daily.

Fuck off Necrosis- you are nowhere near as smart as you fantasize you are. Just because your fellow baristas at Starbucks said you were doesn't make it true.

Meltdown, there is no school required to be a president, there isn't truly any training and it certainly isn't a scientific discipline. However, being a doctor is, it requires intense training and know how, so to conflate the presidency with something like a doctor is stupid. Well played!

You are melting down pretty hard here lol.

With education I would expect the minister to have a PHD, a lifetime or highly esteemed career in education, not running a pretend fighting organization for mouth breathing morons.

RFK has repeatedly said absolutely retarded things

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He repeatedly misrepresents the data, misquotes stats and likely has never even done a stats course in his life, hence, he cannot interpret studies.

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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2025, 04:48:29 AM »
RFK Jr’s predecessor who thinks a 3 year old knows its gender, it’s okay to give children puberty blockers, who thinks child mutilation changes a male to a female…and by the looks of HIM is legit mentally Ill

I am not really interested in opinions when it comes to science. With Lupron what do the studies say? The terms you are using are very politically charged, mutilation?

I am also not overly interested in the gender shit, every one I have met with dysphoria has mental health issues, trauma , autism etc that again doesn't mean that treatment can't be physical, however, I disagree with it but admittedly have not gone through all the data on outcomes etc.

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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2025, 09:25:48 AM »
I am not really interested in opinions when it comes to science. With Lupron what do the studies say? The terms you are using are very politically charged, mutilation?

I am also not overly interested in the gender shit, every one I have met with dysphoria has mental health issues, trauma , autism etc that again doesn't mean that treatment can't be physical, however, I disagree with it but admittedly have not gone through all the data on outcomes etc.

So you're saying that a person is less qualified for this position because he doesn't hold an MD, phD or otherwise even though he's probably done more research In this field of health sciences (without an agenda) through his legal work in the last 40 years. Am I understand this correctly?

I want to have this conversation because over at the very least, 5 years the left have done everything they could to discredit the medical field to fit their agenda and sway public opinion. They've corrupted the CDC, AMA, NEJM and more by either removing relevant information or suppressing it.

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« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2025, 09:38:07 AM »
The doctor could give perfect nutrition advices and it wouldn't make a difference in the American obesity epidemic. Americans are fat and lazy and no amount of good information will change this. It is a culture problem. It is not a healthcare problem.

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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2025, 10:32:34 AM »
So you're saying that a person is less qualified for this position because he doesn't hold an MD, phD or otherwise even though he's probably done more research In this field of health sciences (without an agenda) through his legal work in the last 40 years. Am I understand this correctly?

I want to have this conversation because over at the very least, 5 years the left have done everything they could to discredit the medical field to fit their agenda and sway public opinion. They've corrupted the CDC, AMA, NEJM and more by either removing relevant information or suppressing it.


Thats an insane take. He has done absolutely no where near enough research (he cannot even read it properly as evidenced by the video) to voice his opinion in the realm of MDs and PHD's, what a load of shit lololol. He has continually shown he has no idea what he is talking about, he has said he has no idea about vaccines but knows a lot about mercury. That's not even true, he knows about mercury in a toxicological sense but is not a chemist, hasn't made one thermometer in his life etc

You realize that medical research is conducted all over the world right? Any doctor or PHD worth his salt would not politicize his findings or use that as a guiding principle. There are many countries that vehemently oppose the US that have produced research that is available for anyone to scrutinize.

Quick question, do you believe evolution is correct?

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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2025, 10:33:13 AM »
The doctor could give perfect nutrition advices and it wouldn't make a difference in the American obesity epidemic. Americans are fat and lazy and no amount of good information will change this. It is a culture problem. It is not a healthcare problem.


This is correct

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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2025, 11:06:42 AM »
The doctor could give perfect nutrition advices and it wouldn't make a difference in the American obesity epidemic. Americans are fat and lazy and no amount of good information will change this. It is a culture problem. It is not a healthcare problem.

Agreed. Culture and food availability problem IMO. Like I said I don't see any solution to obesity other than pharma. Which doesn't have to be so negative if the drugs are fairly benign as far as serious sides.


Quick question, do you believe evolution is correct?

I have very little idea about evolution but in general do you think there might be something that has been missed so far as far as human origins? Maybe this is a too complicated question for getbig, taking too much space and effort to answer. I've read some articles by a fella named Fred Reed who has some problems with the accepted view of human origins but I have no way of properly evaluating it...

https://www.unz.com/freed/darwin-unhinged-the-bugs-in-evolution/

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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2025, 11:24:55 AM »

Thats an insane take. He has done absolutely no where near enough research (he cannot even read it properly as evidenced by the video) to voice his opinion in the realm of MDs and PHD's, what a load of shit lololol. He has continually shown he has no idea what he is talking about, he has said he has no idea about vaccines but knows a lot about mercury. That's not even true, he knows about mercury in a toxicological sense but is not a chemist, hasn't made one thermometer in his life etc

You realize that medical research is conducted all over the world right? Any doctor or PHD worth his salt would not politicize his findings or use that as a guiding principle. There are many countries that vehemently oppose the US that have produced research that is available for anyone to scrutinize.

Quick question, do you believe evolution is correct?

So you’re saying only doctors are qualified and no one else can come to conclusions. Am I understanding you correctly?

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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2025, 11:46:47 AM »
Agreed. Culture and food availability problem IMO. Like I said I don't see any solution to obesity other than pharma. Which doesn't have to be so negative if the drugs are fairly benign as far as serious sides.

I have very little idea about evolution but in general do you think there might be something that has been missed so far as far as human origins? Maybe this is a too complicated question for getbig, taking too much space and effort to answer. I've read some articles by a fella named Fred Reed who has some problems with the accepted view of human origins but I have no way of properly evaluating it...

https://www.unz.com/freed/darwin-unhinged-the-bugs-in-evolution/

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Human origins or the origin of life? abiogenesis is a disputed topic but there are plenty of ideas that have been shown to work in actually biological systems. I do think the idea of life is problematic as is the idea of cognitive. Certain materials exhibit intelligent behaviour, tripaldi wrote a book called parallel minds which dives into this idea quite clearly and lucidly. We know that things like auto-catalytic sets, autopoetic systems and dissipative structures (systems far from equilibrium, like us) show order and organization that is self-propelled (self-organizing). Molecules show this behaviour. Chance and stochasticity is inherent in the system (we know this from chaos theory) and we know from complexity theory that local interactions lead to complex behaviour that is not co-ordinated except for simple local rules-- think of birds mumuring birds- each one follows simple rules based off the interactions adjacent or immediate to them and this forms complex patterns, simple cells do this to form complex organs etc.

I am not super up on evolution in terms of the newest stuff but it is very well established and makes a lot of predictions. Technically its a theory which is simply an explanation of facts, the fact that we have different species in explained by mutation and natural selection and the above concepts.

i think the idea that is missed in that article, which has been proven, is evolution is absolutely blind and requires chance/randomness.  For example they have done studies with bacterial lines in which the exact same local environments are set up (so that whatever occurs is inherent to the bacteria) and the lines all evolve differently, one even learned to eat the medium (citrate) that the others could not. It was random mutation and chance. So evolution is non-teleological- we didnt have to evolve and this explains why some creatures are poorly adapted, it didnt have to happen and once you add in context and environment (the idea of ecology) its impossible to predict.

I am not sure if that answers your question in any way lolol but I think stuart kaufmann is right with respect to abiogenesis and auto-catalytic sets were the cause.

I do think philosophically deleuzes idea of virtuality and difference helps understand this stuff more clearly, there is no outside force (transcendent) that guides things along or was needed, its all immanent and the possibilities of life exceed the actualities we see, things self-organize or are autopoetic and recursive.